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Jim Ryan: "[Microsoft is] a tech giant with a long history of dominating industries, the choices gamers have today will disappear"

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boomcrab

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Sony moneyhatting games is not the same as this, plain and simple. Besides, that hasn't been a sony exclusive behavior in this industry, by any means. Do all those deals equate to 100 billion dollars? Jim Ryan for as long as we have made fun of him is telling the truth on this one.
 

Topher

Gold Member
Not so much under Phil Spencer but I accept there has been BS from Microsoft in the past. This ‘holier than thou’ hypocrisy from Jim Ryan is just sad considering how they kicked off this gen with platform locking titles.

Timed exclusives have been a thing every year under Phil Spencer. The big marketing deals and all the perks that come with them tend to gravitate towards the market leaders and that has been PlayStation since PS4. If Microsoft were in the dominant position like they were in the 360 years then are we really going to say Microsoft would be benevolent and turn down all those perks? I don't believe that for a second personally. These guys are in business and making deals like these are part of it. I'm not going to point fingers at either one of them when I know they both engage in the exact same behavior.
 
Sony moneyhatting games is not the same as this, plain and simple. Besides, that hasn't been a sony exclusive behavior in this industry, by any means. Do all those deals equate to 100 billion dollars? Jim Ryan for as long as we have made fun of him is telling the truth on this one.

Splitting hairs. It is extremely hypocritical considering he just purchased Bungie.
 
Timed exclusives have been a thing every year under Phil Spencer. The big marketing deals and all the perks that come with them tend to gravitate towards the market leaders and that has been PlayStation since PS4. If Microsoft were in the dominant position like they were in the 360 years then are we really going to say Microsoft would be benevolent and turn down all those perks? I don't believe that for a second personally. These guys are in business and making deals like these are part of it. I'm not going to point fingers at either one of them when I know they both engage in the exact same behavior.

I don’t think we are really disagreeing. I find Jim Ryan’s comments hypocritical considering Sonys practices. That’s the greater point I have been attempting to make.
 

SLB1904

Banned
Finally, broke through the fanboy in you. Ignoring Microsoft for a moment. Isn’t it hypocritical for Jim Ryan to be citing ‘player choice’ as an issue with Microsoft purchasing a publisher considering he has purchased studios recently and routinely money hats exclusives? You are almost there my dude.
Lol blood thought he got something 🤣

Yeah ignore the Bethesda, ninja theory,

Which makes
Franchises like

Hellblade
Psychonauts
Starfield
Elder scrolls
Tew
Doom
Fuck ton other not available on ps

Get out of here 🤡
 

Topher

Gold Member
I don’t think we are really disagreeing. I find Jim Ryan’s comments hypocritical considering Sonys practices. That’s the greater point I have been attempting to make.

That's fair. For Jim Ryan to point fingers at Microsoft is indeed hypocritical for the same reasons I've said above: Sony engages in the exact same behavior.
 

RoadHazard

Gold Member
Oh, they’ve figured out how to compete. They’re going all in with Gamepass, they’re going with day one releases on PC and are trying to invest heavily in cloud streaming to reach a lot of gamers. Not to mention the Series S strategy to expand the market.

All moves initiated by Phil Spencer, by the way.

Strategy hasn’t been ‘switched’. They just need more first party content to fill Gamepass, plus more mobile devs to make a push for mobile gaming. That’s where Activision comes in.

All of that and Sony is still way ahead. Hence MS trying to buy up the entire industry.
 

Zok310

Banned
When can Xbox gamers have the choice to play spiderman and final fantasy 7 remake on xbox.
the wire no GIF
 

DaGwaphics

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I know he is just out there doing his job and all that, trying to create some spin. But, some of these takes that Sony comes up with, talk about "Do as I say, not as I do" to the extreme. LOL

This headline is double hilarious because outside of Windows and Office (essentially part of the same industry) and maybe cloud (though it's a stretch to say they "dominate" there) MS has traditionally struggled to gain position in the other markets they've tried to enter.
 

magnumpy

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Jim Ryan issues a statement today in response to a NYT query.

This time it seems Jim went a bit more aggressive, but also kept it short. Still within that short response he alluded to Microsofts previous history in the past of dominating industries through monopolistic practices, and that the choices games have today will disappear if Microsoft accomplishes their goal.

While it has been some times since Microsoft was in a position to monopolize anything, I would say Jim had a point if Sony did not engage in similar policies in the consoles space from 1994-?

With that said, it's still a question on whether gamers lose choice.

One one hand, if Sony is excluded by MS puts games and makes them easier to access across smartphones, PC, Tablets, Xbox, and TVs, thagt would technically me more choice.

But on the other hand, it does exclude Sony's userbase, which means that they will not be able to participate, and that can be seen as sacrificing one for all, instead of all for one and one for all.

But jims call out to Microsofts history in the past shows that he's getting a bit unhinged now. Even after he reportedly accepted a signed 10 year deal from Phil Spencer (rumored). This means that Jim is very concerned and possibly angry about this issue to a personal level, and probably the numerous calls for contact by the press about it didn't help either.

But then again we have to ask ourselves the question, is buying exclusive away from platforms choice? Because Sony engages with in that with the PS5 and PS4 recently for years and years from Final Fantasy, to several other games that missed Xbox One and now X. Is that much different that Microsoft? Where do we draw the line? If it's allowed than there really shouldn't be such controversy over it. If the issue is how much PS consoles sales are connected, Jim can end this whole thing right now by showing documentation revealing how much PS sales will be impacted. Otherwise this seems overblown.

call of duty sucks
 
I know he is just out there doing his job and all that, trying to create some spin. But, some of these takes that Sony comes up with, talk about "Do as I say, not as I do" to the extreme. LOL

This headline is double hilarious because outside of Windows and Office (essentially part of the same industry) and maybe cloud (though it's a stretch to say they "dominate" there) MS has traditionally struggled to gain position in the other markets they've tried to enter.
He's counting on the rabid fanbase to push the narrative and it seems to be working.
 

DaGwaphics

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He's counting on the rabid fanbase to push the narrative and it seems to be working.

I haven't read the source article, what example did he give of MS jumping into industries and dominating them? Certainly not phones, search engines, game consoles, or their Surface business. Which while a few of those may be successful businesses in their own right, are definitely not dominate. Though I know MS has a lot of other things going with defense contracts and things like that. Sony really wants to paint MS as Apple here, where they repeatedly strike gold and reinvent the markets they jump into.
 
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Kokoloko85

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Sony spends close to a decade devaluing Xbox with paid exclusives and then cries when Microsoft makes moves to be more competitive. Can’t make this stuff up.

The saddest thing is he’s only concerned about taking a hit on the MTX money they bring in through COD. 😂

Yeah like Xbox didnt have paid exclusives…. Xbox fans have the most selective memory.
Mass Effect
Biochock
TitanFall
Tomb Raider
Recore
Quantum Break
Rome
Ori
Just to name a few
 
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DaGwaphics

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Why not? You are saying they just kept Destiny 2 and promised future Bungie games to be multiplat out of the kindness of their heart?

I honestly think Sony was just trying to jump out and establish a precedent for this behavior, tbh. If they actually spent that much money with strings attached to it like that, what could you even say.
 

Bernkastel

Ask me about my fanboy energy!
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I guess you're popular.

:p
I don't even know who that Bocchi pfp guy is. It just took me a few seconds of search to know that he sure loves raging about Xbox a lot. Copying and pasting someone's name in NeoGAF's advanced search is not some rocket science that you have to pat each other.
Update: He sure was projecting himself all this time.
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Speaking about choice... need to remind you which platform was the one that stood against crossplay for the longest time in order to "protect their userbase"
He was right. All the shit talking xbox fans did to Sony during the 360 era, and then turn around and want to play footsie during the Xbox one era because your 3rd party multiplayer games are underpopulated due to low console sales.... oh I bet you just wanted to "play with your friends".



Sony enables crossplay, saves the Xbox player base from empty lobbies, xbox turns around and purchases the biggest fps multiplayer Publisher, then bans gamers from playing on Sony platforms after a few years; you cant make this shit up.
 

Bernkastel

Ask me about my fanboy energy!
I honestly think Sony was just trying to jump out and establish a precedent for this behavior, tbh. If they actually spent that much money with strings attached to it like that, what could you even say.
Talks for buying Bungie began six months before the announcement. Talks for the Acti-Bliz deal began in November. Bungie was not announced as an immediate response to ActiBliz deal.
 

DaGwaphics

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Talks for buying Bungie began six months before the announcement. Talks for the Acti-Bliz deal began in November. Bungie was not announced as an immediate response to ActiBliz deal.

That's true. I remember the rumors swirling about them looking to sell. It just always seemed like a very poor investment, then and now.

I still doubt that the language of the deal is that strong in Bungie's favor though, would basically be a $4b gift at that point.
 

drganon

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I don't even know who that Bocchi pfp guy is. It just took me a few seconds of search to know that he sure loves raging about Xbox a lot. Copying and pasting someone's name in NeoGAF's advanced search is not some rocket science that you have to pat each others.
Once again, whatever helps you sleep at night, ya fucking weirdo. I can criticize whoever I feel like. If it bothers you that much I dont love ceos as much as you do, block me. Either way, fuck off.
 

Bernkastel

Ask me about my fanboy energy!
Once again, whatever helps you sleep at night, ya fucking weirdo. I can criticize whoever I feel like. If it bothers you that much I dont love ceos as much as you do, block me. Either way, fuck off.
You are the only one that got bothered so much after crying about Xbox fans(which you seem to be doing a lot) and now throwing a fit.
 

sainraja

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Gamers shouldn’t be concerned about Sony’s pockets taking a hit.
And neither should gamers care about MS. It goes both ways, bud.

That's a moral argument, though, not a legal one. And not everyone agrees. There are still going to be multiple big publishers after this deal, including Sony. Will this acquisition make it more difficult for developers to get their games published than it is today?
Yeah, I can see that...I get it but I am not ruling out anything. Both are businesses and will do things to make their position stronger. As for the landscape after the acquisition, that will depend on various factors — we have three major console players here (with Nintendo doing their own thing), how A&B performs after the acquisition and the moves MS makes, could make it difficult for developers (getting A&B could make Microsoft's position much stronger [they already have the money] and they might be able to influence things more easily leading them to dominate the way they have with their OS business); the opposite can also happen → someone else could grow to take the position that A&B has had. It is too early to say anything definitively. We just don't know yet.
 
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John Wick

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Using this as an excuse yet you’ve cited Starfield before as something Xbox has ‘taken away’.



After FF7 Remake, I think most people are rather cynical on this point.


At this point, I think the clear realization is that you do not know the meaning of the word ‘monopolize’.
Because I have no clue how World of Warcraft, Diablo, Crash Bandicoot and Bethesda IP are supposed to ‘monopolize the industry’.
I understand because Forspoken and Final Fantasy are going to move huge amounts of consoles? Just like Deathloop and that average Japanese game? You've missed all big hitters conveniently from Bethesda and ABK.
 

Swift_Star

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Oh, they’ve figured out how to compete. They’re going all in with Gamepass, they’re going with day one releases on PC and are trying to invest heavily in cloud streaming to reach a lot of gamers. Not to mention the Series S strategy to expand the market.

All moves initiated by Phil Spencer, by the way.

Strategy hasn’t been ‘switched’. They just need more first party content to fill Gamepass, plus more mobile devs to make a push for mobile gaming. That’s where Activision comes in.
None of that is bringing any results. That's why they're trying to buy the industry and becoming a monopoly.
 
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DenchDeckard

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Yeah like Xbox didnt have paid exclusives…. Xbox fans have the most selective memory.
Mass Effect
Biochock
TitanFall
Tomb Raider
Recore
Quantum Break
Rome
Ori
Just to name a few

Every single one of those bar Tomb raider were new ips funded by MS to come to market. Then launched on PlayStation later if they weren't fully funded by ms.

Props to MS for finding new ips and supporting them to market on those.

What about all sonys classics that are sequels in established franchises like street fighter, spider man, final fantasy etc. All were long established multiplatform games.

As soon as MS tried it with Tomb raider the PlayStation fanbase castrated them and said "no fair...MS can't do this...its not fair ...when is it coming to PlayStation.....tell me when its coming to PLAAAYSTAAATIONNN REEEEEEEE?"

Microsoft isn't even taking COD away from anyone....Jim and Sony are just upset that they know they won't be able to get all their bullshit exclusive content and adverts etc anymore and are losing their shit because of it.
 
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John Wick

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Currently playing through Ragnarok right now. GoW 2018 was my GOTG. Can’t I be a fan of Playstation and level criticism at blatant hypocrisy at the same time? For the record I also have a Series X and a Switch. Does it disturb you that some PlayStation owners aren’t blind fanboys like you?
Oh yes I have all the systems excuse therefor my opinion is more valid. Did you also finish Returnal and Demon Souls bro?
If you had a brain cell you'd have seen my earlier post criticising Jim Ryan and the missteps Sony have took.
 

gothmog

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I haven't read the source article, what example did he give of MS jumping into industries and dominating them? Certainly not phones, search engines, game consoles, or their Surface business. Which while a few of those may be successful businesses in their own right, are definitely not dominate. Though I know MS has a lot of other things going with defense contracts and things like that. Sony really wants to paint MS as Apple here, where they repeatedly strike gold and reinvent the markets they jump into.
Why does he need to give examples? Microsoft has a rich history of litigation around their practices. They have even been fined for breaking the terms of agreement multiple times so even when they lose they still do what they want.

Microsoft has spent billions acquiring companies like Nokia to try and force their way into markets, so they are no strangers around trying to dominate other industries. They are just not that good at it which is not a defense.

I've said it in another thread but Microsoft only likes to "compete" from a position of strength where you really have no choice but to use their stuff. Which really isn't competition at all. That's the kinda things Jim is talking about.
 

Swift_Star

Banned
And the part after that is the lie. MS getting Activision is not going to result in the absence of choice in gaming or anything even close to a monopoly.
Sure, it's not like they could end up buying more publishers or anything...
They will stop at Act-Blizz, right, right????
feels game of thrones GIF
 

Punished Miku

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Sure, it's not like they could end up buying more publishers or anything...
They will stop at Act-Blizz, right, right????
feels game of thrones GIF
Probably. But I'm just going to comment on this deal, and not hypotheticals in the future.

Honestly, the focus on them being a publisher is pretty much irrelevant and used mostly for fear mongering. It's really just a question of developers that they're acquiring. No one much cares about Activision published titles that are not in house. They published Sekiro and that's about it. Sekiro could have been published at multiple other places. Both Sony and MS already have publishing capability. That entire portion of Actvision/Blizz is mostly redundant and irrelevant. They don't need Activision for publishing in any way.
 

Swift_Star

Banned
Probably. But I'm just going to comment on this deal, and not hypotheticals in the future.

Honestly, the focus on them being a publisher is pretty much irrelevant and used mostly for fear mongering. It's really just a question of developers that they're acquiring. No one much cares about Activision published titles that are not in house. They published Sekiro and that's about it. Sekiro could have been published at multiple other places. Both Sony and MS already have publishing capability. That entire portion of Actvision/Blizz is mostly redundant and irrelevant. They don't need Activision for publishing in any way.
People have reasons to be afraid of Microsoft's dominance and power. It's not simply "fear mongering".
 

Punished Miku

Gold Member
People have reasons to be afraid of Microsoft's dominance and power. It's not simply "fear mongering".
I'm specifically talking about you focusing on acquiring a "publisher." That is fear mongering. Acquiring a publisher is literally pointless. Most of those people will need to be relocated or will be downsized eventually. MS can already publish anything they want. What they're acquiring is developers and IP. This is especially the case with Activision, who barely publishes anything besides the stuff they make themselves.
 
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It's kind of sad that PlayStation is relying so much on CoD. As a PS fanboy they should literally forget about CoD and deliver a first party FPS war game. Something along the lines of Killzone 2 style.

It doesn't even have to be Killzone or Resistance. Just literally give me a Battlefield/CoD rip off made by Guerilla, Naughty Dog, Sucker Punch or Insomniac.
 
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