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1. Hogwarts Legacy
2. No RT reflections in the Medium
3. Fortnite (gimped/software implementation)
4. DMC5 SE
5. COD: Cold War
6. F122
7. Ghostrunner
8. Chernobylite

A couple of them I remembered, others I had to look up. But, it seems to be a compromise at best if/when enabled. It's not surprising when looking at specs, especially when some games like Metro Exodus bottom out on the resolution scale with RT enabled on the Series S.

Oh you're talking about Series S

I thought you were saying Series X to PS5.

My bad.

So this explains why the PS5 has been outperforming or matching the Series X…

No, but it does answer the question that the CPU frequency *is* a tad bit faster.

As for why PS5 is outperforming or matching Series X, there's a lot of other factors to it than just CPU frequency. You know that already.

Wait so is there no downside to choosing fidelity + RT over just fidelity?

On Xbox, more drops in FPS. On PS5, slightly softer image cause the DRS scope is bigger.

If you're on PS5, I would personally recommend Balanced mode. Same resolution metrics as Fidelity but the extra frame time makes a huge difference.

Grabbed it on Xbox. Guess I made a mistake...

Which mode should I use with a 120hz display and VRR?

Xbox Balanced mode is not as reliable as PS5, so I'd say go for HFR. It's 1080p but the best performing with average FPS between 60 and 90 all times.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Oh look, so its possible to still be objective when talking about a video game. Also, not a single mention of J.K. as well.

This is how it should have been handled by all the other outlets who covered this game.

I do think Rich vastly undersold how much better the PS5 performs over the Xbox consoles. Yes he mentioned it, but if it were the other way around we'd see way more like for like comparisons.

 

[onQ123]

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/40-c...t-way-to-compare-ps5-xbox-sx-for-now.1533360/



The Answer was giving before the consoles released but I'm crazy



Some games will be better on Xbox Series X & Some will be better on PS5

 

[SegaSnatcher]

Another example that proves API and tool maturity matters more than simply a small gap in raw performance.

 

[MarkMe2525]

As many mentioned, including myself, people were jumping the gun with the claims that DF were not going to cover the game. Unfortunately, no one will learn there lesson.

Game runs great on the PS5. I hope they can fix the Series X version, I won't be playing until deep sale so I have some time for it to improve.

 

[zomboden]

I didn’t even notice the doors were loading screens on PS5 with the wheels until a different performance analysis channel pointed it out. I thought I had to hit Square on the doors or something because those were different lol.

Anyways my own personal experience is that the only hugely noticable frame drops I got on PS5 Performance mode is in my Room of Requirement.
With all the large pots going and the hopping pots and etc. got everything shoved in one room. When I move the camera around the room fast it dips hard I'm talking feels like 20 fps or less. But other than that perfectly fine.

I wonder about the other consoles coming. My guess (straight out of my ass) is the following:
XB1X 30 fps 1440p Low/Medium settings
PS4 Pro 30 fps 1080p Low/Medium Settings
PS4 900p 30 fps Low/Med settings
XB1 720p 30 fps Low/Med settings
Switch 480p 30 fps Low/(maybe some medium settings, good luck)

 

[onQ123]

Another example that proves API and tool maturity matters more than simply a small gap in raw performance.

It's not API & Tools though it's higher limits in a few areas so if a game is made a certain way it's going to hit the limits on one console more than the other but you can always optimize the code so that it don't hit the limits & run better.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

TBH, I like all the options this game has, it kind of future proofs it for BC

Every single game should have an "uncapped" option for dynamic res and framerate, as I suspect VRR displays will be pretty common in the future and this prevents issues like we saw with The Last Guardian running perfectly at 60 fps but because the patched versions capped it you lost out on that benefit.

 

[Arioco]

Ended up picking this up on SX over PS5 simply for quick resume. I’m about 27 hours in all on fidelity mode. There’s definitely some occasional stuttering that’ll last about a second here and there when I’m sprinting through the school. To be honest I feel like it’s actually become more frequent since the last patch as I’ve been playing since the 7th and don’t recall it doing that as much before a couple days ago.

You mean Avalanche outsourced the patch to CDPRed? Great! Don't worry, it'll be fixed in the next patch. Unfortunately it will be broken again in the one than will come shortly after that. But don't panic, it'll be fixed again someday... kind of.

 

[Vick]

Well, kudos to DF.

Watching my brother play in Balanced mode on PS5 and looks and runs great. Might start it myself soon.

 

[Andodalf]

"Oh no, we don't have time to optimize both versions. Which one should we focus on: the one that helped pay us to get this game made or the other one?!?!"

until you see that it’s actually in the contract

 

[Fredrik]

My tv does have VRR, and I'm playing fidelity mode with no rt. Only issues I've noticed so far in my 30ish hours of playtime: I had one crash, and I was so pissed because I hadn't manually saved in like two hours, but luckily the autosave picked up right where I was cut off, and the other instance is with Fig in his office. He has some weird clipping stuff going on in there.

Not saying the PS5 version can't be better or anything, just that I've had a very smooth experience in my playthrough.

Yeah okay, the 30fps mode actually seems almost locked. But I don’t do 30fps anymore so for me there is only one mode available, performance mode capped at 60fps, and it simply have too many drops.
But oh well, got it refunded, next play session I will check how much better it is on PS5.

 

[Raven77]

The ambient occlusion and lighting shifts are so distracting in this game. Every time you move the camera you see shadows disappearing and appearing around all edges in the screen and around the character.

Drives me nuts while playing.

 

[Die Namek Ability]

Need to see the PC comparison now.

A few patches should hopefully get all versions and modes locked.

Im playing it in PC and its pretty rock solid and looks absolutely gorgeous.

 

[Dr.D00p]

people were jumping the gun with the claims that DF were not going to cover the game

Telling that Leadbetter had to step in and do it though, the others (probably) not wanting to upset their blue haired pals at Resetera?

 

[gnarlyxcharlie]

Weirdly enough, balanced all of a sudden feels like 30fps to me. Outdoor sections in winter feel noticeably slower than indoors. Anyone run into this on ps5? Weird. It was smooth as hell

 

[Surfheart]

PS5 once again showing the power of Blast Processing AMD SmartShift.

It's the secret Cerny sauce

 

[GhostOfTsu]

I'm playing Fidelity+RT uncapped with VRR activated on PS5 and I don't notice any framedrops.

It's like performance mode to me but I'm not very good at these things. I'll keep this mode

 

[Nydius]

I find the constant conspiracy theories that Sony is somehow paying to get preferential treatment hilarious, and a bit tiring. As if Sony wasn't in financial dire straits in the not too distant past and basically leaned hard on the PlayStation brand to stay afloat; Meanwhile, Microsoft has Scrooge McDuck levels of money. If anything, it's more plausible that Microsoft could buy their way to preferential treatment.

Just because a platform is more powerful on paper doesn't mean it'll be more powerful in practice. This is something first year CS and It students learn. There's more to performance than sheer paper specs.

Having played both versions, there's no doubt the Xbox Series X version is much rougher than the PS5, but there's zero chance that has anything to do with Sony paying for it to be that way. As others have pointed out in this topic, it's likely an issue with DirectX and issues with increased CPU overhead on the Series X.

 

[RafterXL]

- DF are curious how the upcoming PS4/XBO/Switch versions will work.

They won't. They'll either look completely terrible, run completely terrible, or both.

Releasing the current-gen and PC versions first was the smart play. Get the good versions out and let people see the real game before you toss out the junk for scraps. Cyberpunk should have been released this way.

 

[silent head]

I mean, you're not far off.

Below image via DF.

In our PC-based tests, having SMT enabled can deliver up to 30 per cent - or more - of additional performance in well-threaded applications.
https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfoundry-2020-inside-xbox-series-x-full-specs
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"By the way, in terms of performance, that custom decompressor equates to nine of our Zen 2 cores, that's what it would take to decompress the Kraken stream with a conventional CPU," Cerny reveals.
https://www.eurogamer.net/digitalfo...s-and-tech-that-deliver-sonys-next-gen-vision

 

[Imru’ al-Qays]

Speaking for myself, I criticized DF for being dead silent and acting like possibly the biggest selling game of 2023 did not exist at all. It was totally out of ordinary from how they usually cover games, especially big AAA ones. This really seems like Leadbetter stepped up and just did what they had to do, possibly getting into it with EG cucks and his own staff over it.

also another one etc

This is absolutely what happened. It was clear from the nature of the announcement in the DF Direct that there had been some sort of tense discussion immediately beforehand - Rich seemed nervous and both John and Alex were edited out of that section entirely.

 

[SegaSnatcher]

PS4 and Xbox One users better get use to the idea of this game running at 960p 30fps max.

 

[Nydius]

PS4 and Xbox One users better get use to the idea of this game running at 960p 30fps max.

Indeed, and it will probably still have a lot of issues.

I feel bad for any Switch-only people out there holding onto hope that this game will actually arrive. If they don't turn it into a "Cloud" version for the Switch release, I'll be surprised.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

For all the bitching about the PC version of this game, I'm running it at resolutions and image quality that console users can only dream of.

I wonder if DF will do any analysis of the PC version or not.

 

[Tal Shiar Agent]

I've been playing on Performance mode on the PS5 and it's been largely great. A few specific instances with some odd slowdown but nothing major.

For the dev's first AAA game I'm impressed.

 

[CGNoire]

Series S and that 792p?

So much for that "at least 1080p 60fps". That consoles a fucking joke.
It sucks that microsoft cant dump it.

 

[Dr.brain64]

Playing on ps5 fidelity. Looks great.

Super curious about the switch version.

 

[Topher]

Sure is funny how games with sony marketing usually run better on sony consoles. I’m sure that has nothing to do with how they’re fighting tooth and nail to hide documents in court cases. must just be coincidence

 

[hemo memo]

Richard saves the day. We can assume that his email is filled with death threats from the purple maniacs? Keep up the good work Rich.

 

[Esppiral]

While I've encountered some frame rate drops as shown in the video on Xbox, the video make it look like it constantly drops below the target frame rate which is not the case

Edit, if this tech analysis were posted earlier I would have chosen the PS5 version though.

 

[Heisenberg007]

Isn’t the CPU in XSX faster?
Either way I’m so tired of badly optimized games at this point. And while patching stuff is great it usually means I’ve already finished the game once it’s in a good state. Maybe I should just stop playing games day 1 and wait for late Steam sales or Gamepass/PS+ releases instead.

On paper, yes. In games, not necessarily.

That's because you have to look at all the components, not just the 3.5 vs 3.6 Ghz difference. XSX's 3.6 Ghz CPU is also doing the bulk of the decompression -- which is crucial in a rich open-world game like this that has intricate environments and fast traversal via broom flight for example.

On the other hand, PS5 has 300% more powerful dedicated decompressor units that can do that job and leave the CPU free for other processing tasks.

So, in all essence, despite "only" having 3.5 Ghz, PS5 will end up having more CPU power to run the game at higher framer rates than a 3.6 Ghz XSX, which is exactly what's happening here.

 

[Godfavor]

On paper, yes. In games, not necessarily.

That's because you have to look at all the components, not just the 3.5 vs 3.6 Ghz difference. XSX's 3.6 Ghz CPU is also doing the bulk of the decompression -- which is crucial in a rich open-world game like this that has intricate environments and fast traversal via broom flight for example.

On the other hand, PS5 has 300% more powerful dedicated decompressor units that can do that job and leave the CPU free for other processing tasks.

So, in all essence, despite "only" having 3.5 Ghz, PS5 will end up having more CPU power to run the game at higher framer rates than a 3.6 Ghz XSX, which is exactly what's happening here.

You sound like that Xbox does not have a dedicated hardware decompression block and that's the reason of the stutters which is false.

It is just that the Xbox version is not as polished as the PS5 one as the transfer rate of the Xbox HW decompression would be more than enough.

I am not even sure that any game uses the velocity architecture for streaming assets on the fly

 

[Heisenberg007]

You sound like that Xbox does not have a dedicated hardware decompression block and that's the reason of the stutters which is false.

It is just that the Xbox version is not as polished as the PS5 one as the transfer rate of the Xbox HW decompression would be more than enough.

I am not even sure that any game uses the velocity architecture for streaming assets on the fly

I didn't say that Xbox doesn't have HW decompression, but it's significantly less powerful than PS5's, which means some of that load will likely have to be borne by the CPU.

Both have HW decompression, but PS5 has 300% more powerful HW decompression, which keeps CPU mostly free.

 

[kazuyamishima]

I’d be really worried if I was waiting to play the game in a Nintendo Switch, I know a lot of people are holding to play the game in there.

But I’m really worried about the performance in that system when the game arrives

 

[Freeman76]

Played the entire game on XSX balanced mode. Graphics blew my mind, and framerate was smooth all the time, it did stuttet now and then though especially when going outside from Hogwarts

 

[Doctor Hades]

For the record the reason it wasnt reviewed earlier is because Warner Bros didnt want to give them the game because they wanted the day 1 patch to be reviewed in any technical analysis. I wonder if more companies will do this if they got suspect technicals

Seems like the publisher only cared about the PS5 version then because post-patch the Xbox Series versions still have performance issues as mentioned in the DF video, which is surprising given the Xbox Series X supposed 20% performance advantage over the PS5. This is very similar to the The Callisto Protocol, a game that released in a much, much better state on PS5 than it did on Xbox Series X. Not that surprising given the PS5's larger market share but still you'd think that 2.5 years into this generation that all Xbox Series X third-party games would at least be on a par with the PS5 if not slightly better. Development kits should now up to scratch and developers should have a solid grasp of how to code for the new Microsoft platforms.

 

[Little Chicken]

This game has been in development for 6 years, probably starting on Xbox One/PS4 dev kits, so I'm not surprised it has technical issues.

 

[Lysandros]

Another example that proves API and tool maturity matters more than simply a small gap in raw performance.

With the small gap in 'raw performance' performance being ?

 

[Panajev2001a]

Seems like the publisher only cared about the PS5 version then because post-patch the Xbox Series versions still have performance issues as mentioned in the DF video, which is surprising given the Xbox Series X supposed 20% performance advantage over the PS5. This is very similar to the The Callisto Protocol, a game that released in a much, much better state on PS5 than it did on Xbox Series X. Not that surprising given the PS5's larger market share but still you'd think that 2.5 years into this generation that all Xbox Series X third-party games would at least be on a par with the PS5 if not slightly better. Development kits should now up to scratch and developers should have a solid grasp of how to code for the new Microsoft platforms.

… or PS5 SDK and tools are also, shock , improving too. Also, maybe, it was not just a “PS5 is doing well because the competition is dropping the ball, but just you watch…” scenario and when people said the two consoles had trade offs that made the difference in performance less clear? (MS not pushing super strongly how XSX is the world most powerful console in their marketing after launch should tell you something too)

 

[knocksky]

No he’s a fanboy who specializes in misinformation and console war.

But posting Cerny GIFs and tweets is not console warring though. Hmm

Two years in and people are still fighting over the who's plastic box is more powerful.

 

[Lysandros]

Well well look what we have here, the paragon of objectivity, former Xbox discord member leaning in:

Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2023]

Time, money, resources, marketing deals etc. they just don’t have enough to spend equal time on all releases so it has to happen after, largely because the game has stopped changing as it’s been released, so now they can just work on cleaning up the issues. Small issues, sure. Games releasing...

forum.beyond3d.com

Digital Foundry Article Technical Discussion [2023]

Only reason XSX does not run as well is because it was not given the time needed. XSX GPU is better at compute than PS5 and similar Low Level RT API beyond DXR, yet it struggles in the Mode that uses more of it (RT is compute bound on RDNA2) - i.e. the devs did not give it as much time. A...

forum.beyond3d.com

 

[Ar¢tos]

… or PS5 SDK and tools are also, shock , improving too. Also, maybe, it was not just a “PS5 is doing well because the competition is dropping the ball, but just you watch…” scenario and when people said the two consoles had trade offs that made the difference in performance less clear? (MS not pushing super strongly how XSX is the world most powerful console in their marketing after launch should tell you something too)

No, ps5 sdk and APIs are the same as launch day, static and unevolving.
You should be used to this, we've been hearing it since ps4 launched.

Don't you remember how the X1 would improve over time while the ps4 would remain the same?

 

[Bojji]

Played the entire game on XSX balanced mode. Graphics blew my mind, and framerate was smooth all the time, it did stuttet now and then though especially when going outside from Hogwarts

I'm playing on balanced too, it's ok overall but there are couple of horrible sections in the castle when it stutters like motherfucker.

Xbox version is solid but it could be better.

 

[Shtef]

Are they going to do pc next?

 

[phil_t98]

well that's no good, we didn't need another CDPR in the world lol

It will get patched again but I am definatly noticing more stutter on Xbox than I was befor. Sometimes changing graphics settings and then switch back to the original mode you were on seems to stop it for a bit.

 

[Lysandros]

Seems like the publisher only cared about the PS5 version then because post-patch the Xbox Series versions still have performance issues as mentioned in the DF video, which is surprising given the Xbox Series X supposed 20% performance advantage over the PS5. This is very similar to the The Callisto Protocol, a game that released in a much, much better state on PS5 than it did on Xbox Series X. Not that surprising given the PS5's larger market share but still you'd think that 2.5 years into this generation that all Xbox Series X third-party games would at least be on a par with the PS5 if not slightly better. Development kits should now up to scratch and developers should have a solid grasp of how to code for the new Microsoft platforms.

There was never a "20% performance advantage" to begin with. You are referring to 18% differencial in the one compute metric. Performance is a GPU's final overall real world throughput and it's tied to multiple GPU components and their related speed besides the software side of things. Teraflops ≠ Performance in itself. We shouldn't continue dismissing PS5's own hardware avatantages including the GPU and CPU if we want to maintain a fair grasp in the reality of the situation.

 

[Thebonehead]

Came here to see if there was a clue on when the PC analysis was dropping and .....

... The state of the warrior melts on here.

 

[RJMacready73]

I'm playing on Fidelity RT and inside the castle it looks incredible with the reflections on the floors etc, I'm noticing no dips in performance and it plays smooth enough for me, didn't realize there was an unlocked mode as well for those of us with VRR tv's, will have to give that a toggle next time I'm on. Gotta say the game is a looker

 

[Tams]

And everyone attacked DF for being "woke" in that other thread for thinking they weren't going to cover this game. We should be ashamed of ourselves.

I mean, they are.

They had their most mature member review this, who was the only one who stuck his neck out (or rather is old enough to not give a shit).