Kokoloko85
Member
Well you were asking if everyone was in agreement right? …. Right?
Simple truth:
PS5 is in demand.
Xbox not so much. Really no crystal ball needed, no need to say its a fanboy issue like you were implying
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Xbox Series X: Microsoft Appears To Be Facing Limited Supply [Tech4gamers]
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Well you were asking if everyone was in agreement right? …. Right?
Simple truth:
PS5 is in demand.
Xbox not so much. Really no crystal ball needed, no need to say its a fanboy issue like you were implying
Cheezewizz
Banned
Yes
Yes
I'll come back to this in a moment...
PS4=38
X1=32
Ok
Maybe, but there's zero evidence that this will happen.
And this is where I come back to that third quote above. You're not just arguing in bad faith here, but doing so poorly. While you portray supply issues as a "big concern" for MS, you argue the opposite way here for Sony's supply issues.
That's not really how this works. Insane indeed.
Cheezewizz
Banned
Ftfy
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"That's out of context" lol
Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
In France for the last two years XSX was available much more often than PS5. I only managed to get a PS5 last week, and it is still sold out everywhere.
Mibu no ookami
Member
What part is bad faith here. Sony PS5s are largely available and Sony is thought to be pumping out as many as 30 million units in the fiscal year. If they do so, they'll focus on North American distribution.
Maybe you're unaware that Sony has largely solved their supply issues. With Harry Potter going heavily in favor of PS5 sales (only system other than switch and PC where the game is available) compared to Xbox, this is going to drive PS5s for Q1 and Q2. You then have huge demand/supply surrounding Spider-Man 2...
In North America, Sony could very well sell a million units a month plus an additional million per month in Q4 (on average). That would be 15 million units in North America alone, add another 12 million units in Europe and another 3 million in Japan...
We'll see if I'm right when they put out their next quarterly report and it shows at least 6.5 million units shipped.
It was a typo.I wanted to write series x.Series s have always been available in big numbers from start.Series x on the other hand was always facing stock issues.You can get series s directly from Microsoft's eBay store for 239.99 every day.
Microsoft Xbox Series S 512GB White Console (RRS00095) for sale online | eBay
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In Europe, Xbox is outsold by 4 to 1 so stock being available there is a normal thing.The real question is availability of it in US and other big Xbox markets.
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Topher
Gold Member
Both are also available direct from Microsoft and Sony.
Topher
Gold Member
That applied just as much to XSX back then. Scalpers were having a field day gobbling up stock and reselling it at ridiculous margins.
It isn't the same circumstance at all. Before, if went to ebay you would find PS5 and XSX at twice the MSRP or more. Now if you go out to ebay.......you pay regular price.
Xbox Series X - Forza Horizon 5 Bundle 196388146369 | eBay
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^^^doesn't look "sold out" to me
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RyanEvans21
Member
Limited Supply or Microsoft make Less Series X?
MasterCornholio
Member
It sells so well , it’s sold out! Good going MS
I have no idea how much the Series X sold though.
TheGodfather07
Member
No problems in the UK and there hasn't been for a long time. Series X has been available here since mid 2021. Series s has been on stock the entire time. Not sure what's going on in the US.
Bo_Hazem
Banned
Could be, could be not. According to The Verge, cloud supply ended 2 years ago:
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Xbox Cloud Gaming is now fully powered by faster Xbox Series X hardware
The Xbox hardware upgrade improves load times and performance.
www.theverge.com
Maybe they're fighting with Intel over 7nm as Sony has quickly read the future and jumped into 6nm. Xbox is rumored to have plans to go 6nm but probably they came too late or haven't moved on yet. It's a wafer war, the faster and more progressive thinking you are the better chances you have of getting the bigger pie.
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Bo_Hazem
Banned
Here in Oman, which where it matters the most, getting a PS5 isn't a problem anymore. Even during 2020-2022 if you really wanted a PS5 it'll take you 1-4 weeks max of preorder, although seeing PS5DE is very rare. Here it's priced a but higher than other shops in the duty-free area, a wonderful gift to bring back to your beloved.
In case you were wondering, Xbox has no official front here so no official releases. You find some being imported from the US market. Most people still don't know what an Xbox is.
In case you were wondering, Xbox has no official front here so no official releases. You find some being imported from the US market. Most people still don't know what an Xbox is.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I recently picked up a second series x from Very uk with no issues.
So I'm not sure what's happening in thee US.
So I'm not sure what's happening in thee US.
MasterCornholio
Member
I think it's the way production works for the Series consoles. Not to mention the X has a slightly unusual hardware design so that could impact production as well.
But overall even if production wasn't an issue I don't think Microsoft would produce as many Series as Sony produces PS5s.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Yup, they shouldn't be producing as many as Sony worldwide but maybe they have their numbers off a touch for America and aren't producing enough to meet demand.
MasterCornholio
Member
I'm questioning demand at this point as well. Maybe in the US like you said they haven't met it but the ROTW is a different question. It does seem like they over supplied the XSS though in the states and almost everywhere else.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
Just kill that fucking S and make a X with no disc drive! What are they thinking?
dotnotbot
Member
Good idea but I'm not sure it would be much cheaper than SX with drive. MS is already selling at a bigger loss than Sony and it's not as hard to convince their customers to go fully digital as Sony's customers (so no point in taking further losses if they're already choosing digital on their own).
50% new users which series s bring in to the ecosystem.
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Team Andromeda
Member
I wounder is this is MS just holding on to and bulding up a supply of Series consoles for a massive Starfield launch in a couple of months?
MasterCornholio
Member
Doesn't really make much sense. Just like the theory that Microsoft held back consoles to appear to look weak with regulators.
In Europe Series X is available with the new Forza bundle at 549€ (two old games available almost for free simultaneously on Gamepass...surely people won't get it's an excuse to raise the price by 50€...).
Last year it was Microsoft's choice to focus on Series S because they thought that a cheap access price was the key to get people on board but that bet failed.
Right now the biggest shortage Microsoft is facing is a shortage of demand and that could only be fixed with some great games.
Last year it was Microsoft's choice to focus on Series S because they thought that a cheap access price was the key to get people on board but that bet failed.
Right now the biggest shortage Microsoft is facing is a shortage of demand and that could only be fixed with some great games.
Team Andromeda
Member
I don't know it in the run up to GOW on the PS it was hard to get a console and it wasn't so long ago that some where saying MS have paid extra to suppliers when Series consoles were in better supply to SONY's PSV
MasterCornholio
Member
Sony wasn't holding back supply. They simply fixed their production. That's something that Microsoft needs to do with the X but it's tied to the production of the S.
Also I think by now that rumor was proven false. Sony is producing more systems than Microsoft due to them wanting to produce more.
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Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
The article doesn't go into the reason for this.
The Series X supply is limited because of the wafer distribution for Series S. To ensure a high Series X supply, Microsoft will also have to produce a lot more Series S (up to 3 Series S for each Series X).
Series S isn't selling as fast as Microsoft anticipated, and Series X is in relatively higher demand, that leaves Microsoft with 2 options:
The Series X supply is limited because of the wafer distribution for Series S. To ensure a high Series X supply, Microsoft will also have to produce a lot more Series S (up to 3 Series S for each Series X).
Series S isn't selling as fast as Microsoft anticipated, and Series X is in relatively higher demand, that leaves Microsoft with 2 options:
- Make additional Series S consoles and keep them on the shelves. That'd give them enough Series X to meet the demand, but the excess Series S will also mean a higher operating loss.
- Do not make additional Series S consoles, which would keep the cost low, but it also means that there would be a limited Series X supply (which is what we're seeing now).
Team Andromeda
Member
Funny how production was fixed in time. Also, I would imagine MS would also want to produce as many consoles as they can, no corp would like to see shelf's bare, unlesss they're holding back supply for a certian time of the year or in the run up to a massive big game release.
MasterCornholio
Member
If Microsoft wanted to produce more than the competition they would have done it already. Truth is Microsoft probably doesn't want to supply too many units so they are limiting their production to not exceed demand by a ton. Then there's the fact they have two consoles that depend on each other for production so that has an impact on supply.
I don't believe everything will just magically fix itself with Starfield but I'm willing to wait and see what happens before coming to any conclusions.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Yeah it only took them nearly two years but let me go put my tin foil on and write fan fiction to support this narrative I’m building. It only involves the whole world.
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Team Andromeda
Member
? I'm sure both MS and SONY look to produce all that they can soruce. I tend to see the big corps holding back on production for a big game or a certian time of the year.
Team Andromeda
Member
What the hell on you on about? It's been hard to get either the PSV or Series X over the last 2 years, even certain white goods have had issues.
You act like there's no issues with semi conductors having a impact on various goods and that we never had COVID
Its been really funny, you can walk in to a shop and see a Series X or PSV in stock one week and the other week, both out of stock.
MasterCornholio
Member
They wouldn't starve supply during the holidays if they can avoid it. This supply issue with the X started before the beginning of this year.
Team Andromeda
Member
I say it again. I seen corps hold back stock for a certain date or for a big game release.
If Starfield is coming soon maybe that's the reason. I quess we'll find out soon, with the showcase
MasterCornholio
Member
Seems unlikely that they would miss out on the holidays by holding back stock. If they sell every XSX they produce they wouldn't hold back supply. I can't imagine them having millions of units in warehouses just waiting for Starfield to release. The same goes for Sony.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
Because PlayStation 5 consoles were selling out within a few minutes early last year.
People have reported several times that Xbox Series X consoles have been in stock for hours, and that means there was less demand for the Xbox Series X console compared to the PlayStation 5.
It's not hard to figure out which console is more in demand.
Team Andromeda
Member
How many more times do I need to say it? I've seen corps holding back supply not just for a date on the calendar but also in the run up to a big game release.
Decades ago, SEGA did just that in the run up to Sonic 2.
So either MS have issues or Starfield is coming out soon
Is the demand for game pass ultimate online streaming more than that for standalone Xbox X? I thought I heard this reasoning at the start of the generation?
Series x was always facing supply issues minus few times when big stock drop happened.
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Don't forget, they are also holding back supply deliberately to show themselves as weak and incompetent for Activision acquisition investigations.How many more times do I need to say it? I've seen corps holding back supply not just for a date on the calendar but also in the run up to a big game release.
Decades ago, SEGA did just that in the run up to Sonic 2.
So either MS have issues or Starfield is coming out soon
For what it's worth, up here in Estonia, Series S has been in stock since December 2020, Series X since summer 2021. Playstation 5 on the other hand did not become readily available since January this year (2023!), sells out often, but also gets restocked on a weekly basis now. There does not seem to be much demand for Xbox...
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Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
In Europe, PlayStation leads Xbox 4 to 1 so it being in-stock there is perfectly normal.Is that same for big Xbox market like US?.....Evidence suggests otherwise.
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Team Andromeda
Member
Ok, Jim