Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
THANK GOD for 3rd party games, it wasn't for them I have no reason to own PS5 at this point. I just miss quirky first party Japanese games Sony used give me, thats all.
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David Jaffe: Herman Hulst pushed for playstation's Japan Studios closure.
Not everyone enjoys the titles produced from Sony Japan, but they add to Sony's overall portfolio. The more you strip these things away, the more boring your offerings are going to become. These titles add something, even if they just break even. You'll end up like Ubisoft, with a stigma about your game offerings. As it stands Sony already has the single player cinematic rep, I am fine with those games myself. Variety is important though.
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YeulEmeralda
Member
I want Japanese games with waifus not the hipster stuff. And for fuck sake leave mascots to Nintendo.
Doom85
Member
Well, aside from the fact I do like Sony’s western games generally, I own a PS5 also because I don’t trust Switch to run all third party games well, and lord knows Xbox appeals to me very little. And no, I don’t do PC gaming.
Clintizzle
Lord of Edge.
Hard disagree.
Bruno_Arrais85
Member
who cares
Danjin44
The nicest person on this forum
Unfortunately for me most of them dont appeal to me and I tried, I played Horizon, God of War Ragnarok, The Last of Us 2 and Ghost of Tsunami and didn't like any of them.
I dont know what exactly I should look forward to.....maybe Rise of the Rōnin but other than that they have nothing for me.
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Northeastmonk
Gold Member
6 billion dollars. That’s F you money man.
from a single game.I don’t sit there hating it all day. I don’t honestly care, but that’s what I think they’re all chasing. Roblox was interesting because Minecraft blew up and Roblox was just blocks. Make your own mini game with block shaped people. It’s absolutely crazy. You’d literally need to make some sorta building sim in a popular skin and you’ll make billions off today’s kids.
YukiOnna
Member
I don't really know about believing Jaffe or not, but nothing under Jim Ryan and Hulst era has instilled confidence in the opposite. Buying up 3rd party exclusives isn't really going to change that and isn't their games to begin with, not promoted partnerships.
I definitely miss the WWS era under Shuhei which also brought us Bloodborne, or even Freedom Wars. Asobi isn't really enough to cover types such as Patapon to Gravity Rush to Last Guardian and it's that they sort of lack their identity as a Japanese company or living up to Worldwide Studios these days, but that's just me. I need to see more than just paying out for FF. Rise of the Ronin is one of those, yes.
I definitely miss the WWS era under Shuhei which also brought us Bloodborne, or even Freedom Wars. Asobi isn't really enough to cover types such as Patapon to Gravity Rush to Last Guardian and it's that they sort of lack their identity as a Japanese company or living up to Worldwide Studios these days, but that's just me. I need to see more than just paying out for FF. Rise of the Ronin is one of those, yes.
Fake
Member
Third parties are my way now on PS5. I don't remember the last time I got an exclusive game.
EDMIX
Member
Oh I see, so Sony's issue is Japan itself? Because so many other games from Japan Studio sold more then Ghost Of Tsushima and evil Sony didn't give em sequels, gotcha lol
So...Sony doesn't seem to have an issue with Japan as clearly many studios still exist there, they don't have anything against the setting as clearly Ghost Of Tsushima exist
So...I don't get your point of saying anything regarding east or west, you are merely looking at more successful developers being rewarding for making successful titles.
Where they suppose to punish Sucker Punch and reward the Ico team? If that game moved 10 million units, we'd fucking see a sequel JUST like we get many GT titles, just like Team Asobi expanding.
This has nothing to fucking do with east vs west.
It has to do with games selling continuing to do business and games not selling going under. That isn't a east vs west type idea, that is business in general
You think Evolution studios NOT being Japanese magically was going to allow them to make flop after flop or?
What team in the west do you know under Sony that is just allowed to make endless flops? lol
ulantan
Member
When did those games launch?
Unknown?
Member
I agree but sadly Japan Studio really lost their way after PS2.
Fake
Member
Re-read what I posted. I said 'pushing', never 'release'. Sony indeed pushed many GaaS on their state of play/Playstation Direct, not to mention buying the Destiny company and their possible tlous multiplayer.
ulantan
Member
How has that failed? What happened to indicate failure?
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Fake
Member
Babylon fall maybe? Just google dude.
ulantan
Member
Sony first party didn't make that that was square and platinum
demigod
Member
CALM DOWN, David.
Fake
Member
Again, I never said that lmao. I said 'pushing'. Showing GaaS is their conferences are ways of pushing dude.
ulantan
Member
I'm asking how has that failed them thier cod ads and bundles make them oodles of cash.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
you are half right
Fake
Member
Just google and search for the GaaS that was promoved by Sony and got closed.
CosmicComet
Member
This guy can't be fired fast enough.
Cant stand this boring Dutch fuck.
Shuhei should have stayed in this position.
Cant stand this boring Dutch fuck.
Shuhei should have stayed in this position.
Unknown?
Member
Shuhei was there when many studios got shut down.
ulantan
Member
Ok is your complaint that sometimes sony markets games that fail... they do that with single player games too...
ulantan
Member
Herman decided to price the ps3 at 600 bucks and not support the vita... and killed my dog.
consoul
Member
God of War guy had an axe to grind. What you did there; I see it.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Such a sterile view to have for a brand that has had great success from their normal and expected business practices. Especially when considering what fans want and expect, and the whole notion of catering to one's loyal base.
Kenpachii
Member
True, subscriptions and digital content bring in a lot of money for sony now. So they should follow there loyal fanbase and develop gaas like content.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Maybe, but not if the risk is unknown and it will definitely have some kind of effect on resources, and subsequently the quality of trying to cook too many pies at once.
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
WTF are you talking about?
None of their upcoming GaaS games have even launched yet and you're already trying to call them failures. You seem really desperate.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
PlayStations "loyal base" is Fortnite and Warzone players. Those two games are waaaaay more popular than anything coming from first party.
Kenpachii
Member
So was multiplayer and subscriptions yet here we are. I wouldn't be shocked if the most played games on PS5 are all multiplayer games to start with that are all gaas based.
Good luck in investing in the PS6 area 400+ million for a single player game that can bomb at any moment.
ArtHands
Thinks buying more servers can fix a bad patch
We’re getting bunch of gaas soon
ShadyAcshuns
Member
I thought Gaff was an older group of players. PlayStation started out with Japanese games, and the switch to more Western content didn't really happen until sometime around the PS3 gen. Sony wanted a piece of 360's popularity at a time when they weren't so popular like today.
I'd prefer the old PlayStation to today's by a lot.
Phase
Member
This sentiment always annoys me. They bring in enough money, as do most of these companies. They don't just want a consistent stream of money, they want an exponentially growing stream regardless of if it will eventually kill the quality of their products and alienate their customers.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
GAF is not representative of PlayStations user base. PlayStation players overwhelmingly prefer multiplayer despite people here trying to ignore that fact.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
Was shutting down the Japanese studios really a hard decision? They have been underperforming massively. AstroBot team is the only one worthwhile, and they moved staff over to them and increased headcount.
They still work strongly with partners like Kojima too, so I dunno why Jaffe makes this out to be some huge ordeal. It's stuff we already know
They still work strongly with partners like Kojima too, so I dunno why Jaffe makes this out to be some huge ordeal. It's stuff we already know
killatopak
Member
You have an amazing lists of Japanese IP and you keep squandering them Sony. Please. At least bring back Bloody Roar since you now own EVO. Make Asobi make Ape Escape or something.
Bernardougf
Gold Member
I wonder how long the people living in denial about this gaas situation from Sony are going to wait to wake up and see the fire burning trough the multiple smoke signs that we had in the last year or so ...
And dont need to @ me because is always the same people in every topic with news about this literally beeing the doggy seated on the table in the burning room saying "its fine"
Meanwhile Im going to try and find the date for the next SP game from sony first party studios... oh yes.. I cant .. there is none.
" but but but sony only announce games close to launch now" ... really ?.... bullshit.
SM 2 - 2 1/2 years
God of war - 2 years
Horizon FW - 2 years
And dont need to @ me because is always the same people in every topic with news about this literally beeing the doggy seated on the table in the burning room saying "its fine"
Meanwhile Im going to try and find the date for the next SP game from sony first party studios... oh yes.. I cant .. there is none.
" but but but sony only announce games close to launch now" ... really ?.... bullshit.
SM 2 - 2 1/2 years
God of war - 2 years
Horizon FW - 2 years
phaedrus
Member
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
It’s just a microcosm of a bigger issue. The western focus on cinematic games, The new gaas focus, and just cutting off your roots. It sent a bad message and we are now seeing just how poorly Herman has run his western studios to the ground.
Now he’s replaced Connie booth with his stooge from GG. The European takeover of Sony is complete. Japanese studios are gone. Us studios are making and failing at gaas games. Naughty dog is in disarray. Cory has spent 5 years on his new ip with nothing to show for it and worse doesn’t have it ready to go into production so they are doing dlc he himself said he would never do because he wanted to tell the story and finish it in two games. Bend has only revealed a logo after 4.5 years. Bp and sucker punch have been mia for 3 years. Media molecule almost 4 years too.
Things add up.
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EDMIX
Member
Considering some of the IP that move monster units on PS...I'd be very, very careful of making that flawed ass argument lol
They have done well having many genres and different types of games they support, I don't see that changing as even buying some of those teams is so that THEY could make those online games as oppose to having their other core single player teams make them.
PS's base is not simply just solely single player, by the numbers, factually, objectively...that simply isn't true.
So using your exact logic, it literally supports Sony going towards a online direction......
ShadyAcshuns
Member
ShadyAcshuns
Member
It's not really an argument, just a desire that I know will never be reverted back to.
Personally couldn't give a fuck about business, just my own personal enjoyment.
EDMIX
Member
It's not really an argument, just a desire that I know will never be reverted back to.
smh, if this is merely your personal opinion, i'm not really sure why you are arguing with others on here.
What you are saying by your own admission isn't rooted by any business logic, but simply by a personal subjective opinion of what you like.....
What I'm saying doesn't have shit to do with what i personally like or not, the logic of catering to a loyal fanbase is NOT a subjective thing just talking about what you like, you are directly questioning how they run their business and making a point on how they should.
I'm point out to you that its flawed as the vast majority on PS (like on all platforms mind you) are based on multiplayer online games.
Thus...you are actually suggesting they indeed support that um "loyal fanbase" that happens to be majority online MP titles....
You are not in that majority friend.
Continue to the let it lol This isn't about feelings, this is about reality and business.
The absolute vast majority of what I play is singleplayer...this year alone, Hogwarts, Octopath 2, FFXVI, Spiderman 2, Baldur's Gate 3 (i don't partake in any of the MP stuff lol) Starfield, Yakuza title coming up and much more, not 1 MP title was bought by me this year lol
annnd I'm still going to say this move makes sense. Most are playing Fifa, Madden, Destiny, Call Of Duty, Fortnite, APEX etc.
James Sawyer Ford
Member
The heck you talking about bro?
The western studios have delivered the past two years with HFW, GOWR, and SM2
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ShadyAcshuns
Member
Oh wait, *looks around* is this the business board, or the gaming board? Don't like my posting style?
And I'm not arguing, people are just quoting my posts.