jakonovski
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One very interesting thing is that Connor is a Mohawk, and they fought on the British side (and some were neutral).
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Assassin's Creed 3 Game Informer Details
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There is a difference between the presence of a flag and how it is framed especially in relation to the main character. You must realize this right?
If this was just a comment of his exaggeration then never mind.
I hope that when people throw poop out the windows it lands on you and makes your clothes brown.
Very different imagery there which actually kind of shows a perversion of patriotism. It is obviously not meant the way it is presented.
I can definitely see the angle from wanting to set up the fact that it's set during the revolutionary period.
Im sorry but why is it that American patriotism in this game is a bad thing? Besides, itll just make it sell even more in the states.
If the game took place during the French Revolution and there was a lot of French patriotism no one would complain like this, even though Ubisoft would be "biased" toward it because theyre French. But nooo, because its in America, OH NO the patriotism!!!!
If the game took place during the French Revolution and there was a lot of French patriotism no one would complain like this, even though Ubisoft would be "biased" toward it because theyre French. But nooo, because its in America, OH NO the patriotism!!!!
I think the sole reason of choosing this setting is to get hold of the main target audience - american console gamers. American gamers see nothing wrong when their flag dominates the cover. People from other countries may think otherwise.
I though the Spider-Man 3 flag bit was hilarious. I'm pretty sure it was firmly tongue in cheek.
thats the strange part though, people are claiming rabid patriotism in a game where the main character will have little reason to be patriotic in the first place. The vast majority of Native Americans were not exactly best buddies with the colonists, and the only reason most wanted anything to do with the british was because of promises of getting their land back.
I think people on both sides will be surprised where this game goes with these themes, because with the nature and heritage of the MC there should be plenty of ill will for both sides in equal measure.
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I'm European myself and I see a lot of pissed off people here complaining it's not the French Revolution and this is just to cash in for the US audience. I don't care at all they're going with this. It's a heretofore underexplored era rife with conspiracy material, the indian angle gives it extra depth and they can always do the French Revolution afterwards and have that one be more built up courtesy of this game.
StevePharma
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Indeed. Especially with the indoctrinating effects of the Apples, Staff and implied Christianity from the previous games. Patriotism is something that just clicks with the way this universe has been set up.
By "dominate" you must actually mean faded in the corner of the background because that's where it is. It isn't even the modern American flag ffs.
I am talking about the imagery though. I don't know how everything will be presented once the game is out. Right now both covers do rub me wrong.
Even the first Spidey had imagery like that if I remember correctly. It is always groan inducing to a non American audience.
Do any of the screens show him fighting Americans? Though I guess I wouldn't even have a problem with only fighting redcoats, it was a war after all and usually does this mean that people choose sides.
Edit: or are you talking about the game's cover and not the gameinformer cover?
You downplay it a little to much. It's very clearly there for everyone to notice. If it's there for patriotic reasons or just to introduce everyone to the setting is up to debate.
Edit: or are you talking about the game's cover and not the gameinformer cover?
Good god, the reaction here is enough to make me patriotic and I hate nationalism (especially as practiced in this country). Between some guy questioning the impact of the American Revolution, others mixing it up the Civil War, and others hand-wringing over imaginary slights against their own nation, this reaction has been thoroughly hilarious.
If you feel that strongly about it I guess you can boycott it lest you be inundated with more American patriotism again. I personally see no problem with it.
spider-man had nothing on transformers 3 in terms of inappropriate grating patriotism
that is, on top of the other million or so reasons that film was unforgivably bad
jakonovski
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The fear is, simply put, that they replace "Secretive Assassins in the shadows of conflicts" with "Assassins for America!"
The bad part is that it would sell.
The bad part is that it would sell.
bingo
Who would have thought that a time that was specifically about the birth of a new nation features a lot of prominent imagery about said new nation separating from its former self... Yeah...
For a self-centered lot such as ourselves, Americans seem to care less about the United States compared to everyone else.
For a self-centered lot such as ourselves, Americans seem to care less about the United States compared to everyone else.
You mean in the ~five screens we've seen that only appear in gameinformer? No.
Grimm Fandango
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You guys really need to lighten up.
Don't thread on me.
But that's a silly fear with no basis. Anti-American sentiment is understandable for various reasons, but try to realize that the American Revolution featured the founding of a new nation and as such is sort of inherently nationalistic? As are all revolutions?
If you think it's a scene-setting thing, then why only put the Betsy Ross flag on the cover (and in all the concept art) and not the Union Flag too, for example?
I'm pretty sure that in terms of international symbols of the period it's up there as an international symbol for Empire and all that it entails. Though I might be wrong.
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Those are some pretty sensitive people.
Kung Fu Grip
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When does the GI mag go on sale?
jakonovski
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The imagery you are seeing is marketing, utilising a national mythos that formed over hundreds of years. What happened at the time was not like the mythos. We should all be aware of the difference and hope that Ubi is able to provide that authenticity. For me the imagery so far evokes Mel Gibson, not 18th century.
jakonovski
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I have no idea where you get the anti-Americanism from, and that you immediately label me something I would consider a bigot doesn't make me wish to continue this discussion.
Vermillion
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You know, looking at some of the threads in OT - what non-Americans think about America, particularly - It seems that many Europeans don't know what overt patriotism is.
Here:
The Colonial flag is featured twice in all of the art/screens so far.... Three if you count the boxart...
I haven't even seen a bunch of these, link?
I wonder how the game is going to touch the slave issue.
Because of this:
People had an instant negative reaction upon simply seeing the box art. It's fairly obvious where that's coming from. And I meant it genuinely when I said it was okay, to some degree.
Anti-Americanism is a political point of view, and many Americans don't like a lot of what this country does either (a notion some of you seem clueless about). That doesn't mean you suddenly throw history out of the window. The Revolution happened; the Americans won. It was sort of a big deal. The Game Informer article even notes that you won't be siding solely with one side.
Probably the same way The Patriot did. Too much of a hot potato.
[edit]tIrish: That is making me feel more like the Betsy Ross flag everywhere might just be a marketing angle rather than emblematic of something more.
Someone like Rockstar might be able to do it. But yeah, the faith in Ubisoft is rather low.