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The question is if that is true where is the 360 hoilday software? Looking at Sonys line up, it looks more like they were planning for a 2014 release.

The same place that 1st party 360 software has been for quite some time: pretty much nowhere to be found outside of Forza and Halo.

As for Sony's launch lineup- keep in mind that Infamous SS was originally supposed to be a launch title, but had to be pushed back. I think they would have been pretty shiny had that not happened. Besides, it's not like XB1 is setting the world on fire with their launch lineup, either.
 
Oh no doubt that's true but that's also further evidence to the claim of yield issues. If you know you're going to sell out, you make MORE consoles and get them to as many territories as possible. Right now they're getting considerably less pre orders than the PS4 and still having to cut back territories to able to manufacture enough.

You keep saying this. Do you have any hard data to back it up?
 

nib95

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One thing I will say tho is cboat called 360 red ring/heating problems before it launched. So he has some pretty good connects for the most part

Also World of Tanks. No one had guessed that. He's legit. As has been proven time and time again. The Pop thing is pretty much the only thing he's ever got wrong, and it was an honest mistake.
 

Castef

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Good post. Honestly I see both consoles selling out at launch, the following months will be telling of how informed we all are. Until we get to physically handle the systems nobody will know. Great products sell themselves, and we all know after all the PR nonsense dissipates the true limitations of each system will come to light. The only issue I have with X1 is its higher price point, which will eventually drop alongside the hardware revision.

Oct launch sounds fantastic for Sony.

Also, I forgot another little detail.

For the first time since PS2, Sony will not be able to rely on the extra "push" given by putting a next-gen media format in its console.

PlayStation 2 had a DVD reader. PlayStation 3 had a blu-ray reader.

PlayStation 4 won't get this extra selling engine, another "step backwards" in comparison to the situation at the start of the current generation.
 

James Sawyer Ford

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The guys over at the xbox one reddit think gaf is full of "sony kids" LOL. They're actually believing what a PR account on the subreddit is saying over cboat.

Nothing to see here folks.

The confirmed Xbox One developer on reddit is right.

There are no yield/supply issues.

Microsoft just made a decision to not produce enough consoles to fulfill demand so that they could get curb stomped by their rival.

I mean, why would they try and make sure they would have ample supply for launch? Clearly they don't need a good chunk of Europe...
 
Well, Sony always has loads of games for the end of their consoles' life cycles.

I think they both planned long ago for this year. Otherwise, third party devs wouldn't have any games ready.

While that is true I think this year has been the best for an end of generation sony console in their history.


TLOU
Beyond
GT6
Tearaway
Puppeteer


Compare that to 2006 or 2001.
 
He's easily one of the best (if not the best) insider we have in gaf. The guy is almost always spot on.

CBOAT always posts the #truthfacts the only thing I can say from recent memory that he didn't hit was the Prince of Perisa prediction which he(she) either mixed up with the Halo reveal trailer or was pulled at the last minute.
 
So what you're saying is....Based on Sony's ability to come back, it is impossible for MS to pull off the SAME feat.??
In the end it's the games that will prove the numbers. And precious few of us have actually played any.


I would say, impossible no, but highly unlikely. PS3 had several things in its court that MS does not that allowed it to pull off a comeback. One, Japan, they still sold respectably in all territories including Japan, while MS is very likely to follow Xbox and 360 in tanking badly in Japan. Two, it was coming off a monumental success with PS2. While 360 has done well for itself, it is no where near overwhelming success territory and when the final unit gets pumped out, all signs are pointing to it being in 3rd sales wise. Third, they had a hardware advantage. It was difficult to access and slight, but it was there. MS on the other hand is at the hardware disadvantage at it is an even larger disadvantage than 360 had, and making matters the worst, this time that advantage is easy to get at.

Could MS possibly over come all this? Yeah, but let's look at them as a company of late. They have been having a streak of failures and no real strong comebacks of late. It isn't looking good for them in this market.
 

SPDIF

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I would be surprised if that guy doesn't have some sort of official permission to post. It's also a bit unlikely that Microsoft wouldn't take measures to "be visible" to the rather small audience that reads rumors on the internet and analyzes leaked hardware specs. And admitting that the Xbone's specs are worse "on paper" but that this is not the whole story is exactly what somebody having that kind of official mission would write.

I'd argue that if you'd worked on a project for the past 4 years you'd say that regardless. PR or no PR.
 

Castef

Banned
Can you really compare MOBA controls to FPS controls though?

No. I can compare the very same philosophy of tailoring a FPS on a joypad to make a great game (I.E. Golden Eye, Halo, etc...) and tailoring a MOBA on a joypad to make a great game.

Guardians of Middle-Earth has been a fine first example, controls-wise.
 

inherendo

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I feel like his responses are pretty canned. "NOPE NO PROBLEMS HERE JUST SUNSHINE AND HAPPINESS". Is it really that unreasonable to think that M$ would put an xbox dev "leaker" in the subreddit? I don't think it's beyond their means and capabilities.

That said, I'd trust CBoat over the anonymous guy any day of the week.

To be fair, they do get confirmed by mods over there as well. The user might be an anonymous dev that MS doesn't know the identity of.

His point about yields and preorder numbers doesn't make sense though. The yield issue would limit the amount of units they will be able to produce. That doesn't relate at all to his statement that MS is expected to ship out everything they can produce.
 
I would be surprised if that guy doesn't have some sort of official permission to post. It's also a bit unlikely that Microsoft wouldn't take measures to "be visible" to the rather small audience that reads rumors on the internet and analyzes leaked hardware specs. And admitting that the Xbone's specs are worse "on paper" but that this is not the whole story is exactly what somebody having that kind of official mission would write.

This is the same guy who did a Reddit AMA that was supposed to be "unofficial," yet everything he shared was confirmed, official, 100% PR "news."

It doesn't seem like much of a coincidence that he did that AMA almost immediately after Microsoft talked about how their messaging for Xbone had been terrible and they needed to reach out to the community more.

Seems like a PR person disguised as a Microsoft leaker.
 

mr_nothin

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He's just throwing out the "official PR statements". "I haven't heard that we've had yeild problems....what I've heard is that we're launching Nov and we're selling through out initial shipments"........well DUH. But he must have forgot that they dropped from 21 countries down to 13 within a few months.
 

Huff

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∀ Narayan;77058271 said:
Oh god. Don't say this. I wasn't planning on buying an Xbox One, but I will HAVE TO if a new Vanquish title ends up being exclusive for it.

considering vanquish's creator isn't at platinum anymore, i wouldn't worry
 

Castef

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Why are you changing your tune so fast? I made a remark that PS4 will outsell MS in the US at launch, and you laughed at the idea. Stand by your original assertion, or admit you were hasty in your mocking of my opinion. It's quite simple.

I answered to this very assumption made by you:
"Judging by US Amazon pre-orders, why yes, MS will definitely lose (if only for the first 6 months) the US to Sony."

I'm NOT that sure that Sony will "win the US", considering the first 6 months of sales of both console.

Take a note, we'll check later.
 
Also, I forgot another little detail.

For the first time since PS2, Sony will not be able to rely on the extra "push" given by putting a next-gen media format in its console.

PlayStation 2 had a DVD reader. PlayStation 3 had a blu-ray reader.

PlayStation 4 won't get this extra selling engine, another "step backwards" in comparison to the situation at the start of the current generation.

But because PS4 doesn't have the burden of pushing formats, it allows them to sell the hardware at a cheaper cost. So it's a 'step forwards' in terms of mass market penetration.
 

Castef

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But because PS4 doesn't have the burden of pushing formats, it allows them to sell the hardware at a cheaper cost. So it's a 'step forwards' in terms of mass market penetration.

True. Point is: i actually don't know which one is a more profitable situation for Sony, in relation to a head-on with Microsoft.
 
The same place that 1st party 360 software has been for quite some time: pretty much nowhere to be found outside of Forza and Halo.

As for Sony's launch lineup- keep in mind that Infamous SS was originally supposed to be a launch title, but had to be pushed back. I think they would have been pretty shiny had that not happened. Besides, it's not like XB1 is setting the world on fire with their launch lineup, either.

But therein lies my point. Forza 5 doesnt look like it needs another year of dev time and Halo is nowhere to be seen. So if Microsoft was planning on launching next year, There would be nothing, not just a little but Nothing from 1st party teams going into hoilday 2013.


Im not seeing it. They may have been caught unaware how organised sony was, but they was always planning some kind of launch in 2013. Maybe they just underestimated how long it would take to get everything ready. The 360 was a very basic console in comoarsion to what they are trying to acheive with the X1.
 

Sulik2

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Wow he is dancing around these points in the subreddit:

2) There are no yield issues I have heard of from my leads, their leads, or our executives. What was told company wide is we will sell 100% of our production inventory on launch based on pre-order numbers. Every console we make until launch will need to go out the door. There is the possibility of our executives simply not revealing the yield issues to us because they don't want to hurt morale. I doubt this is the case.

Saying you are going to sell every unit you can make at launch is obviously. That does nothing to confirm or deny if your yield issues are lowering those total launch numbers so your dropping a bunch of countries from November launch.
 

Instro

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CBOAT always posts the #truthfacts the only thing I can say from recent memory that he didn't hit was the Prince of Perisa prediction which he(she) either mixed up with the Halo reveal trailer or was pulled at the last minute.

Its happened once or twice where CBOAT leaked something that ended up being revealed at a later time. Remember Me was that way for example. The impression I get from these sorts of software leaks in general, whether they be from CBOAT or other gaffers, is that the decision to reveal a game at a certain time is often up in the air until the last minute.

But yeah it's very rare for CBOAT to be wrong on something.
 

Pop

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I for one honestly do not believe cbot (no hard feelings or disrespect ) as I believe he was wrong / mistaken when he said that mirrors edge will be shown at MS e3 which it wasn't + all the other things that he said are vague and u would never know the truth, here is a truthfact from me ( xbox one live to have extra awesome stuff we will know about later and Sony had a hardware problem with the ps4 but they fixed it) lol

This time. He said there is an exclusive game from platinum, this can be known very shortly either tgs or the event in 2 day, if nothing happens then the dude just post some random stuff and they are either hit or miss,

This is of course IMO and please do not quote me to argue that, I will believe that dude when I see that platinum xbox exclusive game,

And to be honest, I would love him to be wrong because I would be pissed if MS secured an exclusive game from platinum as I really love the developers and I am already in love with Titan fall

Haha what am I reading

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DTKT

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Since that reddit post was from someone who seems to be "confirmed" as a Xbox dev, it seems that we have conflicting information.
 
It's not like Sony actively tried to comeback. The PS3 just has stronger sales than the 360.

You're right, cross play, free games, a push for indies, in game bonuses, etc none of these are signs at trying. If they're not trying then I'm perfectly happy with them not trying this gen too 'cause I love me some PS+
 

PJV3

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If XB1 development has been a disaster will we ever hear about the details, or will MS have everyone on long term NDAs?
 

oVerde

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'cmon, CboaT sucked, sorry, he's a FUD master from a high mark most of the time, and did it again.

What's the point to emphasis the early SDK is 10~20% slower if it always is?
Promote that's gonna be a bummer the new game from P* funded by MS is very relative.

Every internal development hurdles and cancelled never heard of projects are just to increase FUD, as if Sony or Nintendo or many developer are having a bless of a times with such struggled market.

MS said such countries won't have Xbox One, 180 for indies where already said to have the rules set in a near future not at launch, and we could smell the shit far from any PR. No point bringing again as such internals would made a difference.

And what would make actually news? CboaT hardly knows. What is Black Tusk working on? No word. What are some actual news instead of FUD? And those non name released Ms games too?
The most interesting thing and is somehow a FUD as well is the whispers of a Kinectless SKU, will mind trick those who did considered to buy it but doesn't want a Kinect.

Well, my 2cents from this late Butt.
 
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