YeulEmeralda
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I mean Sony recovered with the PS3...
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nial
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adamsapple
why was your thread closed?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No idea, I didn't get any system message about it, lol.
Baki
Member
Exactly. And Phil was also handed $80B to invest into the gaming division.
kingkratos15
Neo Member
I am more curious about the PS6 generation than Xbox's new console. Because once again, Sony's first-party companies will likely create a dramatic difference in graphics and animation on the PS6. And my probable choice in the new generation will be the PS6. No matter what the new Xbox console is like, I'm not very interested.
HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
Phil even said this, they weren't growing with a $1000 console
He didn't say it wasn't coming though
OmegaSupreme
advanced basic bitch
Dead before arrival.
Moriarty1889
Member
Cannot see how this console will sell or be relevant with how MS has devalued the Series consoles and the Xbox brand in general.
Topher
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Phil even said this, they weren't growing with a $1000 console
He didn't say it wasn't coming though
Phil was never interested in growing the market, just his share. Didn't do either.
how are they going to hit 30GB of GDDR7 with only 4GB modules on a 160 bit bus
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Clamshell 3GB
Gonna grow it with $2k+ PCs instead...
thank you, makes sense. Although with such a narrow bus width the memory bandwidth is really constrained. Thats less than my RTX 3090
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asdasdasdbb
Member
Yeah, it should be the same as the PS5 Pro (576 GB/sec). That assuming it uses 32 gbps GDDR7.
160-bit @ 32Gbps is 640GB/s
Donald mac Ronald
Member
You know like when morons put their foot into their mouth when they contradict themselves.
Could we get a picture of Phil with a series X in his mouth.
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Tobimacoss
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Curious, will the Xbox PCs running Magnus AT2 also be using 36 GB GDDR7 RAM? Or will the unified memory setup be for consoles only?
MCH2024
Member
20GB is the only sane choice. Memory henceforth is a premium product that commands premium margins. So That extra 10GB VRAM alone will be adding 100$ to the MSRP.
It doesn't provide 100$ of value given diminishing returns.
Slapping 20GB VRAM (+10 GB OS/CPU) on an RTX 5070 class GPU is the sort of extravagant VRAM wastage we saw in 2025 (RTX 5060 Ti | 9060 XT 16 GB). Sony betting their entire generation on being able to do it by 2028 is extreme foolishness and inexcusable recklessness.
(Same for Magnus if they are even thinking about 36/48GB at this point as main SKU).
Even AMD's AT2 Desktop dGPUs are 18GB/15GB/12GB.
But I guess they will do this:
PS5 549$ => PS6 Handheld 549$
PS5 Pro 749$ => PS6 749$
The mainline console would be the handheld with a dock.
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So with universal compression effective memory bandwidth closer to 1TB/s!! One thing I trust is Cerny, but hope he doesnt end up in a similar situation as MS did with the Xbox One with the SRAM situation. Talking about a theoretical memory bandwidth figure thats rarely attained.
20GB is not enough. Yeah an extra $100 to the BOM sucks but they just have to deal with it for 1-2 years until prices come down.
Donald mac Ronald
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I dont think console developers will be looking at their expected nextgen workloads and thinking 20GB of unified memory is good enough for a 7-8 year piece of hardware. For a memory upcycle that wont last 7-8 years why limit memory?
MCH2024
Member
The assumption here is that they will come down substantially.
Samsung and Hynix Margins on consumer DRAM will soon surpass even Nvidia's Datacenter ones. They are on track to become multi trillion dollar firms with their forecasted 2026/2027 earnings (Morgan Stanley).
We are deep into uncharted territory. It's not a sane assumption that memory will go from hyper premium product (>100% Op Margins) in 2027 to bozo commodity in 2028/2029. Or that the big 4 spending 600-700B on AI in CAPEX will simply pause and go back to spending sub 100B on it.
20GB is enough. I expect it to have RTX 5070 performance.
PS5B 9GB VRAM (exclude CPU/OS)
PS5P 10GB VRAM
PS6B 13GB VRAM
Sounds about right.
The reason it "needs" 30GB is to differentiate from PC. By the time it comes out, PC's 6060 / 6060 Ti will already come out. And Knowing Nvidia, Rubin will set to define Gen 10.5/11 Graphics architecture right of the bat.
PS5's 9GB VRAM caused some minor problems to 7.5-8GB VRAM PC dGPUs. Sony is learning from that and kicking it into overdrive.
Unfortunately for Sony, PC / Mobile have gained considerable ground from consoles. PC is the primary target for most developers. Even in console land, PS6 Handheld will be the primary target. PS6 will just get the pro's treatment.
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memoryman3
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And 36GB unified VRAM wouldn't be enough for Magnus at that point. I think if PS6 is aiming for 30, then Magnus should really have 48GB even if it pushes up prices. Unless different SKUs with different VRAM amounts is something already planned?
MCH2024
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I disagree. Look at how popular Switch2 is.
Switch2 Handheld mode is literally 1/8 PS5 in raster. Handheld mode Canis is 1/3rd.
The reality is that the practical gains from the handheld flexibility + lower entry point far outweigh the added (diminishing returns) from extra console power.
Not to mention that the smaller higher quality screen would negate the visual losses of dropping resolution. (No 4k is a much smaller deal on a tablet)
And Canis has a Gen 10 Graphics architecture. So it will have AI Upscaling, frame gen, Level 4+ RT acceleration, etc that will amplify it's performance relative to PS5.
We've only seen initial demand for switch 2 from those who dont care that it is $450 outside Japan (more in Europe). We'll see this year if mass market accepts that pricepoint.
If the ps5 handheld can't beat the performance of a streaming ps portal its DOA at any price. Maybe in 2030 that will be possible but not at the $200 portal price point.
nial
Member
What would you think are good amounts for PS6 Portable and PS6 respectively?
Richard 92
Neo Member
Do you mean ps6? Because
Xbox Magnus 192-bit bus Right?
SportsFan581
Member
$1,000 - 1,200 gaming PCs have been a thing forever; you guys crack me up. I guess you all haven't seen the prices of a pre-built with a mid-range GPU (5070, etc.). If they can get that level of performance at $1,200, there will be a market. That wasn't that bad of a price, even before memory prices got crazy.
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24GB and 30GB
MCH2024
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Why would the handheld need 24GB? Even if PS6 gets 30GB (and sure that's the plan).
Much more sensible to have an 18GB PS6 Handheld with around 11GB VRAM for GPU. That's more than PS5 Pro has! And Switch2 has at most 6GB VRAM.
Handheld has to be cheap. I get that AMD's skill issues have forced an unnecessary 192b bus, but not even Chinese flagship android phones will be shipping 24GB LP5X for the foreseeable future. Your plan would be (effectively):
RTX 2050M + 16GB VRAM
RTX 5070 + 20-22GB VRAM
Heavy on VRAM, light on compute. In this market.
Cerny better pray day and night that memory prices goes down. Or he's ending PlayStation market relevance.
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nial
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I see, any reason to not go 32GB for PS6?
MCH2024
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It's a 160bit bus. the possible memory configurations are 10GB, 15GB, 20GB, 30GB, 40GB.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
Both Sony and Nintendo got in trouble with bad hardware, but climbed out using good software. That works.
Xbox got in trouble with bad software, and try to climb out with good hardware. And we now know the ones in charge literally can't tell a good game from a bad game, so they were throwing games out into public at random not knowing what works. And eventually they just gave up and bought the biggest game software company. Except instead of saving Xbox, the Xbox got relegated to irrelevance as Activision took over the entire division.
The plan was to sacrifice Activision to boost Xbox. But Activision itself was more valuable than the entire Xbox hardware division, so why would ANY company sacrifice a good asset to save a bad asset? So now Xbox is kicked to the side and dying in a ditch.
I wonder if Cerny had considered a small additional 4GB of DDR4 or DDR5 for the OS before the memory crisis. I'm sure developers would be happy with having as much memory as possible. Although historicallg that additional memory has been a preserve of the pro models!! Just wonder if they considered it
Light_Crusader25
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As if it matters one bit! The "console war" is over.. It has been for a couple years now. Magnus will be charting its own course, irrespective of what Sony plans for the PS6, and Vice-Versa...
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MCH2024
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Again I am saying that imo PS6 likely replaces PS5 Pro.
I can't see PS6 with 30GB RAM selling below 649-749$. And I can't see that price point be mainstream over 449-549$ PS6 Handheld.
PS5 Pro share is 10-15%. Cumulative PS5 Pro units by now likely doesn't cross 15m let alone 50m. Is that a bomba to you?
I think of next gen consoles as (could be off):
Switch 2 => Lite
PS6 Handheld => Base
PS6 Base => Pro
Xbox Magnus => Pro Max (Runs modified Windows)
Magnus probably flops as most PC Gamers don't even consider Radeon and Xbox's brand is in the toilet.
Tobimacoss
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The PS6 handheld will be using LPDDR5X 24 GB. Similar to all windows handhelds with 24-32 gb.
Console War is over, begun the Subscription, Ecosystem, Cloud, Content wars have.
PS6 Handheld isn't necessarily going to be the one that sells most. MLID thinks the chip inside, Canis will be used for a $300-$350 PS6 Lite, basically the internals of the handheld without a screen and battery. It's to get the PS4 holdouts to upgrade. He saw multiple references to Sony wanting all PS4 users to be PS5 or 6 users. Sony has done that in the past via PSTV.
Magnus isn't just one device. Magnus = CPU SOC with NPU and Media die. It should be able to be paired up with any of the 5 AMD GPU dies. MS, AMD, OEMs are doing an entire portfolio of Xbox devices.
Xbox PCs, Xbox Consoles, Xbox Laptops, Xbox Handhelds, Xbox Cloud.
Xbox and AMD: Advancing the Next Generation of Gaming Together - Xbox Wire
This week, Xbox announced it is actively building its next-generation lineup across console, handheld, PC, cloud, and accessories. Find out more inside.
news.xbox.com
AT0 = 192 CUs, very likely xCloud, maybe a 6090 tier discrete GPU
AT1 = 96 CUs, possibly Xbox PCs, and 6080 tier discrete GPU
AT2 = 68-72 CUs, that's the Xbox Console, maybe used for Xbox PCs too, and probably 6070 tier discrete GPU
AT3 = 48 CUs, Laptops and maybe a cheaper S tier Console SKU.
AT4 = 24 CUs, Handhelds
Seems almost a menace to Microsoft. "Don't try to ditch the next generation because we have already prepared everything, don't think about it for a second "
AMD reveals next-gen Xbox could launch in 2027 — CEO says semi-custom SoC ready to 'support launch in 2027'
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DeltaPolarBear
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I don't see it that way. I see the Xbox compatibility chip as the TRUE Magnus. As in you should be able to pull that chip off of the hardware and just plug it into your existing gaming PC to gain Xbox compatibility. Everything else on the Magnus is replaceable.
Just my opinion by the way. I have no source.
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xrnzaaas
Member
Won't change much if Sony delays PS6 to 2028. Microsoft had the "world's most powerful console" until PS5 Pro came out, Nintendo is full generation behind. People won't simply pick the most powerful hardware in the arms race, especially if the next Xbox is going to be an expensive gaming PC running W11 and pretending to offer a console experience.
Fess
Member
PS6 will obviously do fine, it'll literally be the only standard console platform left on the market.
The Xbox is catering to enthusiasts, who're going in day on a Pro console without hesitation, like many here. - $800-1200, pfff who cares? I want the best!"
If you have the money and gaming is one of your biggest interests in life - Do you settle for a weaker PS6? Or do you go for a more powerful living room device where you can play 95% of Sony's new games plus old console games and games on Steam and Epic store and GOG?
In my case there is regular PCs too. And I think most here in that particular group will either choose to build a PC for the living room or buy the new Xbox. There is nothing else tbh.
How big is that market though? That remains to be seen. Could be as niche as highend users when looking at Steam hardware survey.
Either way I'm just glad that Microsoft care at all at this point. They could just at end it all or focus on cloud or whatever but they're actually catering to me this time as a highend user. I love it! Xbox Magnus seems like another fun toy for me that I don't really need but will buy anyway because why not? And through that project Windows will improve as well. Win win.
This won't be like the ps5 pro but more an xbox ally repeated on "home" console. The xbox brand name seems just a label to keep sane the fanboys mind. Imo.
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vaibhavpisal
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Xbox Ally is fully open. You can install different OS if you want.
Wouldn't be possible on Magnus afaik.
Different stores will have to make some app or something. So not a guarantee that everyone will be there. Though EGS has confirmed.
DeltaPolarBear
Member
That is why you are better off just surgically cut the Magnus compatibility chip off and install it on your existing gaming PC. 90% of the Magnus hardware is useless to you.
asdasdasdbb
Member
Oh you're right. I was comparing it to the Pro but I thought the Pro is 20 gbps when it's 18.
I'd still say if it wasn't for Magnus that they should wait for 4 GB chips and use 256-bit instead. Which would give them 32 GB if they had 8 chips (instead of doing 10 in Clamshell)
That's where not upgrading the CPU on the Pro is such a problem. Could have gotten away with it anyway.
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