• Hey Guest. Check out your NeoGAF Wrapped 2025 results here!

George Broussard on Xbox studio closures - "Likely to be the largest single layoff event in gaming history"

That Activision Blizzard acquisition sure did benefit everyone didn't it. What a good thing that was for the industry………
It's the only thing that's really worth it in Xbox's entire portfolio. How is it Call of Duty's fault that they have to shut down studios that release games every six years and that people don't even touch, despite them being free on Game Pass? If it weren't for the acquisitions of Bethesda and ABK, Xbox basically wouldn't exist anymore
 
March Climber March Climber I'll also miss the Pentiments and Sunset Overdrives and Banjo Kazooie Nuts and Bolts type games, but they've also been making a lot of games that gamers don't like, even with their core IPs. At the very least they do need to have a bit more discretion, focus and vision.
 
He most likely doesn't care because he is looking at it through a social/cultural angle.

There are some people on this forum who actively want a collapse of the gaming industry because they want certain types of devs to be flushed out regardless of any collateral damage.

It matches the modern day spite-based motions.
Yeah, and they're not looking at the bigger picture.

Hollywood has been struggling for over a decade now and it's led to studios and lots shutting down and the ones left are consolidating under 3 banner each worse than the last.

A 'crash' or mass studio shut down isn't going to bring the 'right people' in to make games they want. It's going to end up with a few big names hoarding IPs until they can hire 40 engineers to babysit an AI making a AAA game.

Remember when Phil demo'd an AI remade game to Satya and called it "game preservation"?
 
I'll never understand that sentiment. They're so many game releases.
Depends on the person.

Could be a 'misery loves company' situation. Could be an internet rabbit hole situation. Could be edgelord-syle situation…sometimes there's even the type who doesn't play games at all but will discuss how they are "all bad" at-length.

Pick your poison I guess.
 
This is what the gamers want and these studios brought it on themselves. Poor management and a soft touch approach from Phil lead to gross incompetence and underdelivering.
You say that now but you and your ilk were cheering these studios and management style not long ago. Gamers do not want layoffs, they don't even know the people being laid off. There are just some people like yourself trying to push the idea that this is a good thing now.
 
Depends on the person.

Could be a 'misery loves company' situation. Could be an internet rabbit hole situation. Could be edgelord-syle situation…sometimes there's even the type who doesn't play games at all but will discuss how they are "all bad" at-length.

Pick your poison I guess.
Could also be someone who lived through better times and isn't willing to gobble up all kinds of garbage.
 
Nintendoo, take all the talent to Retro & Next Level Games.

Hell make a new studio while you are at it.

Buy Rare and ID Software.
 
Could also be someone who lived through better times and isn't willing to gobble up all kinds of garbage.
Ah, that's just called the nostalgic type.

Nothing can be done about those types, as nostalgia has a perfect batting average and can't be beaten, plus they have the added negative effect of being unable and unwilling to look for new fun experiences
 
This is what the gamers want and these studios brought it on themselves. Poor management and a soft touch approach from Phil lead to gross incompetence and underdelivering.

Who are these gamers exactly?

Everyone including the FTC and UK saw this coming, whilst yourself and others were on here going "let them compete".
 
Could also be someone who lived through better times and isn't willing to gobble up all kinds of garbage.
Idunno. Even at Xbox they are still making SOME good games. Microsoft Flight Simulator, Pentiment, the new Forza Horizon looks mostly pretty good. and then Sunset Overdrive if you go a bit further back. That's like maybe 5% of their output lol, but it's not nothing.
 
They should just spin off the division or actively try to find buyers for all of their studios which aren't Mojang, ABK, Bethesda Game Studios and 343, Coalition, Playground.
 
I don't work for Xbox. I will say at the same time, the first half of its lifespan so far has been successful while maybe until 2014, Xbox has been a slow downward trend.

I honestly don't know what history you speak of as well. Care to enlighten me?

No you don't you're a consumer like most of us are. More informed than most in this regard since you frequent forums like this. Knowing what you know does their actions feel you with confidence.

They bet big on Kinect and TV because Microsoft dreams of becoming what Google is to online advertising in the living room. 24 hour check in, even know 13 years on they haven't dared bring that back even with infrastructure improvements. Policy on second hand games. They're bet in focusing the money in marketing deals instead of creating internal studios. All of this lead to the downfall of the Xbox One.

Betting on Cloud gaming and Gamepass, betting on quantity of content and not quality. Betting against exclusive content being need to attract and keep people within their ecosystem. The market has deemed Xbox offering as lacking that's why we're seeing them bleeding out in real time.
 
Elder scrolls 6 would've been massive.
I think at this point if they want Elder Scrolls to succeed, it has to be some massive generational leap, like the difference between Morrowind and Daggerfall. They've let so much time go by, and so much has changed in wrpgs. At this point imo they're competing with Kingdom Come Deliverance 2 and to a lesser degree with The Witcher games, so Elder Scrolls 6 better have even more immersive mechanics and an even more immersive world than KCD2.
 
Last edited:
If these rumors are true then I predict that Xbox will massively shrink into a very, very safe corner of CoD, Overwatch, WoW, Elder Scrolls, Sea of Thieves, Halo, Minecraft, and Forza.

That's it. No more Doom. No Outer Worlds. No Dishonored. No Wolfenstein. No Quake. No Gears. No Killer Instinct. No Banjo. No new Rare I.P. etc.
Which would basically put them in rentseeking mode, since 5 out of those 8 IPs were funded/created by somebody else, and MS just bought them up after launch.
 
I think at this point if they want Elder Scrolls to succeed, it has to be some massive generational leap, like the difference between Morrowind and Daggerfall. They've let so much time go by, and so much has changed in wrpgs. At this point imo they're competing with Kingdom Come Deliverance 2, so Elder Scrolls 6 better have even more immersive mechanics and an even more immersive world than KCD2.
I prefer the fighting mechanics in Skyrim over KCD2, the rest of it was good in KCD2.
 
No you don't you're a consumer like most of us are. More informed than most in this regard since you frequent forums like this. Knowing what you know does their actions feel you with confidence.

They bet big on Kinect and TV because Microsoft dreams of becoming what Google is to online advertising in the living room. 24 hour check in, even know 13 years on they haven't dared bring that back even with infrastructure improvements. Policy on second hand games. They're bet in focusing the money in marketing deals instead of creating internal studios. All of this lead to the downfall of the Xbox One.

Betting on Cloud gaming and Gamepass, betting on quantity of content and not quality. Betting against exclusive content being need to attract and keep people within their ecosystem. The market has deemed Xbox offering as lacking that's why we're seeing them bleeding out in real time.
I personally don't think any of those ideas were bad at all, but you're right. The market rejected it.

It's more complex of a situation than I believe I can ever imagine though.
 
Jurassic Park Hold Onto Your Butts GIF
Know Youtube GIF
 
Idunno. Even at Xbox they are still making SOME good games. Microsoft Flight Simulator, Pentiment, the new Forza Horizon looks mostly pretty good. and then Sunset Overdrive if you go a bit further back. That's like maybe 5% of their output lol, but it's not nothing.
That you have to list games from more that a decade ago shows that you don't really have a strong case to make.
 
Why they just don't hand it over Gabe? Historically he's the first troll to XBOX, and in many occasions he did it his way.
 
Last edited:
It's crazy to me that this colossal amount of mismanagement and sheer retardation is still happening and none of the leaders, the people who caused all of this in the first place, are still not fired.

Why is Nadella still CEO? The only profitable branch of Microsoft is Azure, which is carrying the rest of this shithole of a company. All the other branches, hardware, Windows, Office, Bing, Xbox, even their fucking AI division is failing.
If I did something like this, I would've not only been fired but also sued.
 
"Cold, hard business".
It's so funny to see grown adults who grew up in a capitalist country their entire lives be stunned and shocked by the idea that if you don't do your fucking job well, then you get fired. These game studios seem to be as other's said, adult daycares.
 
Last edited:
I personally don't think any of those ideas were bad at all, but you're right. The market rejected it.

It's more complex of a situation than I believe I can ever imagine though.
I remember a little while ago talking about this with someone else on here and they had a really good point that Nintendo also takes crazy risks, on a smaller scale because they're a much smaller company overall, but still. The difference is that even though Nintendo's had some bad ideas too, their wild ideas have been right more often than Microsoft's.

Maybe it comes down to leadership?
 
Embracer holds the current record of around 8000 staff I believe.
Already topped with the "soft" Xbox layoffs:

Now, embracer for the hard one.

"Cold, hard business".
It's so funny to see grown adults who grew up in a capitalist country their entire lives be stunned and shocked by the idea that if you don't do your fucking job well, then you get fired. These game studios seem to be as other's said, adult daycares.
The average developer did their job. Is the management who shat the bed. Or do you think the average C++ programmer wants to do the new Horizon GaaS?
 
Last edited:
"Cold, hard business".
It's so funny to see grown adults who grew up in a capitalist country their entire lives be stunned and shocked by the idea that if you don't do your fucking job well, then you get fired. These game studios seem to be as other's said, adult daycares.
A lesson in balancing 'values' with commercial appeal.
 
This isn't on Asha. This is on that fucking clown Phil and his regime. Spending like it means nothing. And after all that spending STILL keeping 1st party games day 1 on gamepass. What a fucking shit show. Any hopes I had for Xbox to ever make a comeback are well beyond done.
 
They may as well just shut down Xbox if this is true. They are already not the most popular AND the prices are through the roof now, a wide scale lay off will be the final nail in the coffin.
 
Great news, hopefully at least 50 percent, other western aaa game studios should do the same, it's a good opportunity for a big reset.
 
Good riddance. Should have done way way earlier. None of these 4 studios were making any shit.

Sad to see job loss but Asha is in the right here. Only team that create good games survive. This is the last last last leg for Xbox.

I believe under Asha Tango wouldn't have gotten the boot.
 
The average developer did their job. Is the management who shat the bed. Or do you think the average C++ programmer wants to do the new Horizon GaaS?
They agreed to work with that management
And they have years to jump ship off over "bad management", you don't stay till last hour if you think that ship gonna sunk
 
This is a great opportunity to clean house and get rid of the political activist, consultants and general crazies.
Xbox should focus on keeping the real talented, working people and get rid of the people that are there just to create drama and grind the work.
 
You say that now but you and your ilk were cheering these studios and management style not long ago. Gamers do not want layoffs, they don't even know the people being laid off. There are just some people like yourself trying to push the idea that this is a good thing now.

Who's been cheering Phil's management style? me?

I think you need to look in the mirror bro, becuase I know you've been defending Sony for years and look where we are now. Why are you acting like you are different?
 
They agreed to work with that management
And they have years to jump ship off over "bad management", you don't stay till last hour if you think that ship gonna sunk
Sure, chap. It's so easy to get a job in a shrinking industry… When your retarded-Netflix-chasing employer is half the industry your options have been cut in half just like that. Other big employers with "great" ideas are: GaaSony, Embracer Your Layoff, You'd Better Speak Japanese and Eastern Europe Wages

Nice.
 
Last edited:
Truth. I've always suspected, they're many posters here that really have no real interest in games. Seems like they are here, just to push their own personal culture war political agenda.
Arkane used to be level design masters, but by deathloop/redfall being complete pieces of shit it was clear they were a ship of Theseus and that anyone competent in those studios had left. Arkane being shuttered is better than their name being further tarnished.

Ninja Theory was kept in business for so they can make pretentious millenialslop with further dumbed down gameplay than the last game. But hey, at least every pore of the protagonist is modeled to photorealism! They should've been shuttered years ago.

Compulsion is a similar case, except remove the photorealism (although that makes that long development cycle for a shitty walking sim even more embarrassing) and add the fact that they're subsidized with taxpayer money in my country. Which they then use to hire a racist community manager. She'll be flipping burgers pretty soon though.


Speaking of not playing games, how many people played these three games? Nobody. If everyone in the defense force bought a copy each, those games wouldn't have bombed. So spare the projection, please.
 
Last edited:
The average developer did their job. Is the management who shat the bed. Or do you think the average C++ programmer wants to do the new Horizon GaaS?
Exactly, it's so easy to blame the small hands doing the work. The production result in any field is always dictated by management, always.

DvqYYoPE6crjf4BV.png
 
Arkane used to be level design masters, but by deathloop/redfall being complete pieces of shit it was clear they were a ship of Theseus and that anyone competent in those studios had left. Arkane being shuttered is better than their name being further tarnished.

Ninja Theory was kept in business for so they can make pretentious millenialslop with further dumbed down gameplay than the last game. But hey, at least every pore of the protagonist is modeled to photorealism! They should've been shuttered years ago.

Compulsion is a similar case, except remove the photorealism (although that makes that long development cycle for a shitty walking sim even more embarrassing) and add the fact that they're subsidized with taxpayer money in my country. Which they then use to hire a racist community manager. She'll be flipping burgers pretty soon though.


Speaking of not playing games, how many people played these three games? Nobody. If everyone in the defense force bought a copy each, those games wouldn't have bombed. So spare the projection, please.
What does those three developers have to do with anything i said? As far as "projecting", aren't you putting your own projection on those games?
 
Last edited:
Exactly, it's so easy to blame the small hands doing the work. The production result in any field is always dictated by management, always.

DvqYYoPE6crjf4BV.png
I feel like the truth is somewhere in between, meaning that there are people on both sides who are at fault. For one thing, there's some pretty bad writing and character designs in a lot of these Xbox games, and that can't be totally blamed on managers. Of course, managers are also to blame in that they allowed these things to happen, instead of insisting on better work.
 
Last edited:
This is all due to the failed "leadership" of one person, Phil Spencer.

A person who failed up. He was put in charge of the Europe division and fucked up Rare and Lion Studio, both acclaimed studios before him.

Then he was put on charge of the entire xbox something else, failed here too. Then failed and failed.

My guess is that nobody wanted to be part of xbox at microsoft, and he can talk his ass off with a smooth tongue. I know another person like that, that I have no idea why anyone gives him work after he fails and fails. I guess when you can smooth talk with confidence, sometimes that's all you need.

Yes there's also the woke part to blame. Purple people coming in companies with veteran developers telling them what to do. Because they know better, and educate themselves.

I feel sad for the genuine people who wanted to do great, but as you work on companies you realize that good leadership is everything that can raise or sink boats.

But Ai will wipe put more jobs in the next two years than anything ever in our lifetimes.
 
Last edited:
Top Bottom