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2014 FIFA World Cup Final |OT| Germany defeats Argentina 1-0 after extra time
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I think the best was germany's away jersey in 2010.
This the GOAT of football kits.
The absolute GOAT.
Poor Messi. You can see how strong he is mentally though.
Yeah, definitely kudos to him. He also didn't cry, like Carsten Jancker for example, heh.
It'll be like Copa América Special Edition, actually. The regular Copa América will be held next year in Chile.
There's more to the article than the dramatic blurb. It's mainly about the misguided appropriation and exploitation of the victory. The "short joke" was a good thing, as it made the nature of the image as a product everyone wanted to claim as their own more obvious.
FUCK YOU, YOU RUINED EVERYTHING YOU FUCKING BASTARD. WAS ALMOST PROUD OF MY COUNTRY FOR ONCE
http://www.gettyimages.de/detail/na...-german-flag-in-the-nachrichtenfoto/452098234
It's a German flag, not a Nazi one. Unless you're saying that German Jews were never really German to begin with? Hmm? HMM?
plantedunicorn
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Sorry I just caught up to this thread and I just read that David Luiz was included in the FIFA XI and I couldn't do anything but laugh for 2 minutes straight. How is that possible? Were the people choosing the players blind? Did they not watch Brazil's final two games where Luiz was caught out of position most of the time? Money well spent PSG.
lmao
Maninthemirror
Banned
He did cry according to an Argentinian reporter in the locker room when he saw his son
PdotMichael
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gnah, the author overrates the meaning of the event and the Gauchos part just to have a point for his claim that a large group of Germans is dangerous. Where is the international outcry?
It's a miracle that the 400k people didn't spontaneously decide to invade Poland once again after the event. ("Es ist nicht ohne historische Ironie, die Siegesfeier für den 4. Stern auf den Trikots der Nationalmannschaft an diesem Ort abzuhalten. In unmittelbarer Nähe zu jenen Denkmälern, wo an Triumphe und Katastrophen der deutschen Geschichte erinnert wird.")
Its basically either a bait article or a German with an expired guilt complex. Either way pathetic article imo.
WonkyPanda
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The pressure on him is beyond immense. He's the only person I really feel bad for in all of this. Argentina will always have a moment in the future, Messi won't. He may still be deadly in 2018, but that's a big question mark in all of this. Knowing that he is touted by some as the GOAT, and others as one of the greats, he knows how much pressure there is.
But, even beyond that, it's the pressure of nation just on you. You're the focal point of it all. No one is going to look back and blame Garay for the game winner, or blame Higuain for the misses. No. The perspective lens will always be, "why didn't Messi win it for them?" Which I found ironic in light of the banter about futbol being the ultimate team sport.
You're arguing against something you yourself read into the article. Its scope isn't as narrow as the first paragraphs and your hunger for indignation would have you believe. It's about commercialization, false identification, misappropriation.
PdotMichael
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Yeah, a bunch of buzzwords.
All three things are only possible to argue about if you try to sell the celebration as somekind of political event. Although it was nothing else than entertainment. It was not even some new way of football related entertainment but somethign that we have in Berlin since 2006.
I want to make a suggestion for those eager to watch more of this sport: check out the National Women's Soccer League. It is no MLS in terms of budget, following, etc., but 1). almost all the matches are put on YouTube, 2). these women are talented, strong players, and certainly deserve the attention, 3). it is pretty fun to watch football be played on this scale (little to no diving!), and 4). the Women's World Cup is around the corner, which will be even more enjoyable if you're familiar with the players (you'll see mostly US players, but also a decent amount of internationals).
I'm looking forward to going to Houston that much more often now. Between the Houston Dash (NWSL) and the Houston Dynamo (MLS), there is going to be plenty of action there over the next several months.
I'm looking forward to going to Houston that much more often now. Between the Houston Dash (NWSL) and the Houston Dynamo (MLS), there is going to be plenty of action there over the next several months.
The only reason I ever watched women's soccer.
(this is when I stopped watching, betraying Utrecht for Ajax ugh)
Luckily it got better
But sadly she quickly moved back to Ajax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L0--3peltw
The quality of women's soccer is just awful though, sorry.
(this is when I stopped watching, betraying Utrecht for Ajax ugh)
Luckily it got better
But sadly she quickly moved back to Ajax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L0--3peltw
The quality of women's soccer is just awful though, sorry.
Engadget Guide to watching Soccer in the US: What channels games come on, what packages you may or may not need to watch your teams.
http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/15/how-to-watch-soccer-in-the-us/
http://www.engadget.com/2014/07/15/how-to-watch-soccer-in-the-us/
Buzzwords? Okay. There's no point in arguing with you. Good day to you!
The only reason I ever watched women's soccer.
(this is when I stopped watching, betraying Utrecht for Ajax ugh)
Luckily it got better
But sadly she quickly moved back to Ajax
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4L0--3peltw
The quality of women's soccer is just awful though, sorry.
M8 pls
Also;
Electric_ Cthulhu
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That FAZ article is ridiculous. Those are young men, euphoric, jet lagged and perhaps also a little drunk that celebrate in a cocky but harmless way.
The FAZ shows again that it is still the central organ of german "Spießigkeit". It is just click bait and being sulky for no reason.
Yes, you could call it an exploitation that the media was following the players from their arrival on the airport all the way to the celebration at Brandenburg Gate and making such a fuzz out of it. But the many pics on Twitter and Facebook, shot by the players themselves show that they can aptly cope with the media age.
The FAZ shows again that it is still the central organ of german "Spießigkeit". It is just click bait and being sulky for no reason.
Yes, you could call it an exploitation that the media was following the players from their arrival on the airport all the way to the celebration at Brandenburg Gate and making such a fuzz out of it. But the many pics on Twitter and Facebook, shot by the players themselves show that they can aptly cope with the media age.
Tragicomedy
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Batigol! Argentina was lacking a strong finisher up front for sure. I'm surprised they didn't invite Tevez, particularly in light of the fact that Boca Loser for Life Palacio logged significant minutes up front. That guy was, is, and always will be average. There should never be an Argentine roster with Palacio on it.
Hell, even a guy like Palermo was able to put a goal away in 2010, and he's less mobile than a tree. Palacio looked completely overwhelmed out there. He tried to disguise his lack of talent by running around like an idiot, disrupting positioning, and then missing clear chances.
I can't fault Higuain too badly. He's the reason they beat Belgium. Aguero, on the other hand...did nothing.
WonkyPanda
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I know it's after the fact, 20/20, not wanting to rock the boat from a great qualification campaign, but I still don't see why you leave him out. Perhaps he is a bit undersized, but I just don't see a world where Palacio is better than Tevez.
Schweinsteiger coming alive through pain and Neuer as a Samurai.
A little silly but they hit the nail on the head here. How did I not see this advert before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iCq99Qcjcc
A little silly but they hit the nail on the head here. How did I not see this advert before?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iCq99Qcjcc
Palacio ("la concha de tu hermana") is not better than Tevez but his function was not play as 9, but to make damage from the sides. He offered something different than Tevez which competes for Higuain, Aguero and Messi's position.
I was/am ok with not having Tevez when our offense was on fire during the whole qualification tournament.
The problem is that they had a bad world cup. Messi started great and then as the playstyle changed and became more defensive and compact, he was left without teammates to play to his strengths which is to move the ball around. See Mourinho's words.
Higuain played bad except against Belgium and Aguero was fucking horrible. All of them were out of shape, especially the last 2.
Messi has been out of shape for a long time now. Maybe it's his age or that for the last 5 years he played nonstop in barcelona and Argentina without even having vacations going around the world playing for charity, etc. And now his body is making him pay for all that.
Di Maria being out of the WC was what hurt us the most, he was the one who brought speed to our offense and created more space and options for messi.
LiquidMetal14
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I finally found a massive archive of qualifiers and WC games and extra coverage on ESPN. There is no footage for streaming anywhere for me in the states and I was going to say ESPN dropped the ball but lo and behold, I am now re-watching the Netherlands/Argentina shootout. The whole game is there alongside pretty much every major game in the tourney. If anyone has WatchESPN I can link it for those who are looking for their fill.
WonkyPanda
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Maninthemirror
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Highest chances created by any player in wc
3rd in goal scoring
Highest number of successful dribbles per match
Half the score of his team in the entire tournament
4th highest fouled on ranking surpassed by Neymar and robben known for falling when a hair of the opponent falls on them and only really succeeded by Sanchez
Its a no brainer
Rodriguez had the highest goals with 6 but fell behind in almost every category
Shining Sunshine
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It proves Germany does a lot of boring back passes. =P
Oh come on, Robben usually dives a lot but this tournament he actually was fouled a ton. His reputation doesn't help but he was legitimately forcibly stopped a ton.
So basically they're saying he was only good against weak opponents and therefore deserves the win.
PdotMichael
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lol
You aren't the greatest player if teams like Switzerland or Belgium can render you useless.
Ganzlinger
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Well done Messi.
pathetic, really about time for that generation to kick the bucket.
No, I get it, Germans should be ashamed to celebrate any accomplishment or god forbid show some pride because Nazis.
M8 pls
Also;
Zlatan?
gauchogate - I'm not as "empört" as I'm just wondering "why?"
Kinda unnecessary all around.
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/gauchos-pressestimmen-zur-wm-party-der-nationalmannschaft-a-981244.html
Kinda unnecessary all around.
http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/gesellschaft/gauchos-pressestimmen-zur-wm-party-der-nationalmannschaft-a-981244.html
I love this hypocracy of our press and media. I remember several outlets being arrogant and disrespectful prior to matches aginst the oppositions we faced and are now coming with this morale bullshit. Fishing for clicks, nothing else.
The Illustrated World Cup. Brilliant stuff:
http://thesunshineroom.com/2014/06/28/world-cup-drawings/
http://thesunshineroom.com/2014/06/28/world-cup-drawings/
.Heh, wouldn't have thought I'd ever come back here, was fully prepared to just hibernate for two/four years.
One aspect is that there are countless fans who just cannot cheer for their own team without also degrading and deriding the other team - regardless of nationality. That has led to a certain standard in "war songs", often with surprising creativity with regards to the insults or prose. From that point of view, the "it's just a game, and it's normal" defense works.
Furthermore, it was a minute or so out of hours of perfectly normal (bleh) alcohol-infused cheering and partying. Doesn't excuse anything, but we need to keep this in perspective. Add to that the relief of tension after immeasurable stress, alcohol, and a couple hundred thousand fans screaming at you in adoration... sure, anybody will be tempted to do stupid shit.
On the other hand, did they really have to do it? Really really? While the whole world is watching how the World Champion is celebrating their victory? Best of all, right next to all the highly evocative monuments? Worst time and place possible, unless you count right after the match. What were they thinking? They didn't run over to Messi and collectively teabagged him, so why now?
I'm not saying us Krauts ought to never again feel good about anything at all, I'm saying that there is a time and place for pulling this kind of stuff. This was not a "private" party with the fans, it was the official homecoming parade and celebration of the Nationalelf, heavily televised inside and scrutinized outside of Germany. In that context, the performance is completely lacking, not only in sportsmanship. Alcohol, jetlag, hype, whatever, don't give me that shit. You do not belittle someone you just beat fair and square in an amazing match. Do not kick someone who is down. It paints a terrible picture of you. It cheapens your victory.
So, a little of both. They were stupid for doing it, but I understand why this happened and am certainly not burning any icons in effigy or going on witch hunts while foaming at the mouth.
Eh. Kinda with you.
One aspect is that there are countless fans who just cannot cheer for their own team without also degrading and deriding the other team - regardless of nationality. That has led to a certain standard in "war songs", often with surprising creativity with regards to the insults or prose. From that point of view, the "it's just a game, and it's normal" defense works.
Personally, I think it's childish at best and am uncomfortable when fans start singing those songs, but whatever, I'm a casual sports fan, and for a reason.
On the other hand, did they really have to do it? Really really? While the whole world is watching how the World Champion is celebrating their victory? Best of all, right next to all the highly evocative monuments? Worst time and place possible, unless you count right after the match. What were they thinking? They didn't run over to Messi and collectively teabagged him, so why now?
I'm not saying us Krauts ought to never again feel good about anything at all, I'm saying that there is a time and place for pulling this kind of stuff. This was not a "private" party with the fans, it was the official homecoming parade and celebration of the Nationalelf, heavily televised inside and scrutinized outside of Germany. In that context, the performance is completely lacking, not only in sportsmanship. Alcohol, jetlag, hype, whatever, don't give me that shit. You do not belittle someone you just beat fair and square in an amazing match. Do not kick someone who is down. It paints a terrible picture of you. It cheapens your victory.
So, a little of both. They were stupid for doing it, but I understand why this happened and am certainly not burning any icons in effigy or going on witch hunts while foaming at the mouth.
PdotMichael
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Don't oversell it, please. A trivial "Schottenwitz" is more offensive than that.
I mean is anyone in Germany still offended about 1988? You could think that Müller and Co reactived the first verse of the Deutschlandlied.
Exactly how I feel.
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