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2021 global console unit sales, N 50% PS 34%, Xbox 16%

Rykan

Member
This is what happens when a significant amount of your production is dedicated to Series S consoles (Y'know, the "Stroke of Genius") that are sitting on store shelves and require discounts to move while the Xbox that people actually want is still sold out due to production restraints.
 
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Mr Moose

Member
I don’t know why anyone would be surprised by this.

Globally, PlayStation has always been ahead of Xbox, even during the Xbox 360 days. The only place Xbox really gives PlayStation a run for it’s money is the United States.
US, Mexico, UK and maybe Brazil(?).
Who says console sales aren't a measure of success? They aren't the ONLY measure but they absolutely are one of them. The whole reason the XSS exists is to increase the number of consumers MS has access to by providing a lower cost, causal friendly device.

The chart is a good representation of the market in 2021. We have no way of knowing what ZeniMax titles will do especially since the only ones released so far hit PlayStation first. CoD won't hypothetically be 'removed' from PlayStation for a decade or more and judging by Minecraft it won't ever be so that's an irrelevant point.
Yup, it's not a huge piece of the pie (they lose money on the consoles) but then people buy software for the consoles which is a plus. Win (kinda)/win, especially if you lock someone into your ecosystem.
 

analog_future

Resident Crybaby
The most important country.
Independence Day Usa GIF by Broad City
 

ZehDon

Gold Member
1. Attempts to purchase the biggest 3rd party publisher - check.

2. This would be the most money Microsoft ever spent - check.

3. Owns the most gaming studios among Sony and Nintendo - check.

4. Wants to make one of the biggest revenue earning IPs in gaming exclusive to a platform with less than 20% of market share - check...
According to reports, Microsoft's statements, and public announced deals, Microsoft wants Call of Duty to stay on PlayStation, and is even intending on bringing it back to Nintendo's platforms. It would seem that, even with Microsoft's infinite pockets, the deal doesn't make financial sense without Call of Duty remaining multiplatform for at least the rest of this console generation. What Microsoft actually wants is for their gaming division as a whole to expand - and gaming is a heck of a lot more than just consoles. Sony's tantrums have everyone focused on Call of Duty, because without Call of Duty directly associated with PSN, Sony have literally nothing to grow their money-printing PSN network - because Sony didn't bother to maintain their own multiplayer titles. Microsoft wants Call of Duty "best of Xbox", sure, but they also really want ABK's extensive mobile and PC footprints - areas Sony pays little more than lip service too.
 
So... ...I suppose Sony and Microsoft are glad that Nintendo is not competing against them?

Nintendo is competing with them, they just dont want to admit it for obvious reasons.

If nintendo weren’t in competition with them we wouldn’t be celebrating monster hunter rise releasing on ps5 and xbox series after two years. Remember Microsoft also claimed they weren’t in competition with Sony earlier this year
 
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reinking

Gold Member
Nintendo is competing with them, they just dont want to admit it for obvious reasons.

If nintendo weren’t in competition with them we wouldn’t be celebrating monster hunter rise releasing on ps5 and xbox series after two years. Remember Microsoft also claimed they weren’t in competition with Sony earlier this year
I know. It was sarcasm because of the recent "high-performance" console comments. Microsoft seems to choose who they are competing with depending on who they are talking to at that moment.
 

Mr Moose

Member
According to reports, Microsoft's statements, and public announced deals, Microsoft wants Call of Duty to stay on PlayStation, and is even intending on bringing it back to Nintendo's platforms. It would seem that, even with Microsoft's infinite pockets, the deal doesn't make financial sense without Call of Duty remaining multiplatform for at least the rest of this console generation. What Microsoft actually wants is for their gaming division as a whole to expand - and gaming is a heck of a lot more than just consoles. Sony's tantrums have everyone focused on Call of Duty, because without Call of Duty directly associated with PSN, Sony have literally nothing to grow their money-printing PSN network - because Sony didn't bother to maintain their own multiplayer titles. Microsoft wants Call of Duty "best of Xbox", sure, but they also really want ABK's extensive mobile and PC footprints - areas Sony pays little more than lip service too.
That would only make sense if CoD was exclusive to PS, and it isn't. You don't play CoD, do you?
Also, they have Genshin.
 

lh032

I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
this is a great achievement for Xbox, see? Xbox can succeed without COD.
 

ZehDon

Gold Member
That would only make sense if CoD was exclusive to PS, and it isn't. You don't play CoD, do you?
Also, they have Genshin.
Sorry, I was presenting Sony's opinion of Call of Duty on PlayStation, not mine. Genshin makes most of its money on Mobile, according to reports. If you think Genshin drives PSN adoption in the same way as COD, you'll need to provide the receipts - because no one but you is making that claim.
 
1. Attempts to purchase the biggest 3rd party publisher - check.

2. This would be the most money Microsoft ever spent - check.

3. Owns the most gaming studios among Sony and Nintendo - check.

4. Wants to make one of the biggest revenue earning IPs in gaming exclusive to a platform with less than 20% of market share - check.

The FTC was in meetings looking at Microsoft like...

Justin Timberlake What GIF


The attempt to disrupt the gaming market by spending more money than your competitors can is just the start. Got to crawl before you walk...
Less than 20% of the market after 20 years in the industry? Check.

Money != success and neither does the number of studios you have. The industry is far too dynamic to control just because you have a large parent company.

You're only proving my point.

You're basically saying this supports Microsoft's case knowing the fact that they don't only use consoles are a measurement of success.
Who said consoles were the only measure of success? I'd argue that consoles are the easiest metric of success because there is lots of tracking info available. It's also the easiest way to determine how well your brand is doing relative to other companies. Doesn't change MS' third place finish in most metrics of success in gaming.
 

Mr Moose

Member
Sorry, I was presenting Sony's opinion of Call of Duty on PlayStation, not mine. Genshin makes most of its money on Mobile, according to reports. If you think Genshin drives PSN adoption in the same way as COD, you'll need to provide the receipts - because no one but you is making that claim.
Yeah of course, same with FIFA and shite like that, it's unfortunate people like football and fall for regurgitated shit yearly lol.
I do enjoy Genshin, though.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Who said consoles were the only measure of success? I'd argue that consoles are the easiest metric of success because there is lots of tracking info available. It's also the easiest way to determine how well your brand is doing relative to other companies. Doesn't change MS' third place finish in most metrics of success in gaming.
You're not paying attention.

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You agree that console sales is not the only metric for success, thus you're also admitting that this chart is MISLEADING.

- Microsoft doesn't gauge success on unit sales alone. The FTC knows they're pushing for cloud alongside game pass.
- They're tracking 2021 exclusive titles. People know Game Pass hurts retail sales. People know that Microsoft will release more exclusive titles starting next year. It's very likely that retail sales will suffer going for while increasing Game Pass users.
- Their concerns aren't only about competing in the console space.


There's many arguments against this and people know how misleading it is.
 
You're not paying attention.

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You agree that console sales is not the only metric for success, thus you're also admitting that this chart is MISLEADING.

- Microsoft doesn't gauge success on unit sales alone. The FTC knows they're pushing for cloud alongside game pass.
- They're tracking 2021 exclusive titles. People know Game Pass hurts retail sales. People know that Microsoft will release more exclusive titles starting next year. It's very likely that retail sales will suffer going for while increasing Game Pass users.
- Their concerns aren't only about competing in the console space.
This graph is showing MS' console market share. It is the easiest way to represent how each company is doing in the console space during that time period. It is only misleading if it is not representing the data it is claiming to represent. If you have any data that shows that MS has a larger or smaller share of the console market than they are representing alert the FTC of your findings and provide ample evidence. By the way cloud gaming isn't even offered as a stand alone service so I have no idea why that would have any relevance to this chart. Other charts can be presented to show other parts of the business like the mobile share chart MS also provided.
There's many arguments against this and people know how misleading it is.
Unless the arguments show that this transaction is breaking laws it doesn't matter.
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
This graph is showing MS' console market share. It is the easiest way to represent how each company is doing in the console space during that time period. It is only misleading if it is not representing the data it is claiming to represent. If you have any data that shows that MS has a larger or smaller share of the console market than they are representing alert the FTC of your findings and provide ample evidence. By the way cloud gaming isn't even offered as a stand alone service so I have no idea why that would have any relevance to this chart. Other charts can be presented to show other parts of the business like the mobile share chart MS also provided.

Unless the arguments show that this transaction is breaking laws it doesn't matter.
FTC's concerns are also OUTSIDE of the console market.

Game Pass hurt retail sales. Microsoft knows this AND the FTC knows this.

They haven't released ANY.

Halo Infinite was released in 2021. Their biggest game that year, which is on game Pass and free-to-play for the multiplayer. The same goes for Forza Horizon 5 (not free-to-play but also on Game Pass).

It's misleading because Microsoft is using this to prove their in a much weaker position while refusing to show the stats from Game Pass and so forth.
 
FTC's concerns are also OUTSIDE of the console market.

Game Pass hurt retail sales. Microsoft knows this AND the FTC knows this.

They haven't released ANY.

Halo Infinite was released in 2021. Their biggest game that year, which is on game Pass and free-to-play for the multiplayer. The same goes for Forza Horizon 5 (not free-to-play but also on Game Pass).

It's misleading because Microsoft is using this to prove their in a much weaker position while refusing to show the stats from Game Pass and so forth.
The FTC can't argue they don't care about console because they created an imaginary 'high performance' console market. So that's not true. Game pass can't hurt retail sales because the FTC is arguing that Game pass is a separate market. So that's odd too. Again the only thing that matters is proving MS is breaking the law with this transaction. There is no creditable evidence that MS has a gaming monopoly or in a strong place in console relative to the other gaming companies.
 
Isn't this also PS4? Didn't MS stop production of Xbox One? Did Sony do the same for PS4?

Microsoft officially ended production on Xbox One in January of this year.

Sony is still selling PS4 but they aren’t reporting sales numbers on them anymore. They actually just released a MW2 PS4 bundle
 
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DavidGzz

Member
Not misleading but to the posters here laughing about XSX getting crushed by PS5, it's convenient. If PS5 beat XSX/S by that much they would have made way more consoles and that most likely isn't the case. Anyway, MS shot themselves in the foot(lol) by quitting the Xbox One production since people have been hungry for any kind of console at all for the last two years. Casuals are still buying old consoles in droves. Look at the Switch, haha
 
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Kagey K

Banned
Not misleading but to the posters here laughing about XSX getting crushed by PS5 it's convenient. If PS5 beat XSX/S by that much they would have made way more consoles and that most likely isn't the case. Anyway, MS shot themselves in the foot(lol) by quitting the Xbox One production since people have been hungry for any kind of console at all for the last two years. Casuals are still buying old consoles in droves. Look at the Switch, haha
They shot themselves in the foot by bypassing immediate sales in 21 by upgrading the Xcloud server blades instead of putting them in retail consoles as well, but it had to be done somewhere, so might as well get it out of the way.
 
Not misleading but to the posters here laughing about XSX getting crushed by PS5, it's convenient. If PS5 beat XSX/S by that much they would have made way more consoles and that most likely isn't the case. Anyway, MS shot themselves in the foot(lol) by quitting the Xbox One production since people have been hungry for any kind of console at all for the last two years. Casuals are still buying old consoles in droves. Look at the Switch, haha

The Xbox One became redundant once they released a 300 dollar Series S that has been widely available almost since launch
 

DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
The FTC can't argue they don't care about console because they created an imaginary 'high performance' console market. So that's not true. Game pass can't hurt retail sales because the FTC is arguing that Game pass is a separate market. So that's odd too. Again the only thing that matters is proving MS is breaking the law with this transaction. There is no creditable evidence that MS has a gaming monopoly or in a strong place in console relative to the other gaming companies.
Once again, you're not paying attention. I don't know why Xbox gamers on here fail to comprehend something so simple.

Microsoft is showing the FTC information as it stands in 2021 AND 2022. What you guys fail to understand is that the FTC is looking at their position a year from now AND after the potential ABK acquisition.

Microsoft is saying, "Hey look at us. We're struggling in the market" when they know Microsoft has yet to release their biggest titles of the generation and how big the likes of Call of Duty, Overwatch, and Diablo will be in the future. They know how big Starfield and Elder Scrolls are going to be.

You know it, but you guys just play dumb and go along with their ridiculous narrative. lol

It's like a guy complaining about how he's poor but he has a job lined up to make 120k a year starting next week.
 
Once again, you're not paying attention. I don't know why Xbox gamers on here fail to comprehend something so simple.

Microsoft is showing the FTC information as it stands in 2021 AND 2022. What you guys fail to understand is that the FTC is looking at their position a year from now AND after the potential ABK acquisition.

Microsoft is saying, "Hey look at us. We're struggling in the market" when they know Microsoft has yet to release their biggest titles of the generation and how big the likes of Call of Duty, Overwatch, and Diablo will be in the future. They know how big Starfield and Elder Scrolls are going to be.

You know it, but you guys just play dumb and go along with their ridiculous narrative. lol

It's like a guy complaining about how he's poor but he has a job lined up to make 120k a year starting next week.

Yeah, if you look at the first two years (and last gen) it obviously looks bad for them and they are using it to their advantage to show they are outmatched, but common sense would tell you that they’ve already announced a huge pipeline of games along with the zenimax buyout which they’ve already hinted at getting a bunch of exclusive titles from.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that xbox will be a stronger competitor two years from now even without ABK. Xbox fans on here/social media repeat ad nauseum that once their software starts rolling out it will be a different ball game so why wouldn’t regulators also think that?

Zenimax along with the other acquisitions they’ve made over the last 4 years has to be close to 10 billion. Thats already a lot of money to beef up your first party line up, that far eclipses what Sony or Nintendo could spend
 
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DavidGzz

Member
The Xbox One became redundant once they released a 300 dollar Series S that has been widely available almost since launch

So much BS. These are sales for 2021. Series S was not widely available until this year. Just because certain posters saw a stack of them at random places, doesn't mean they were easy to find. I still don't see them on shelves regularly here in Illinois.
 

Kagey K

Banned
Once again, you're not paying attention. I don't know why Xbox gamers on here fail to comprehend something so simple.

Microsoft is showing the FTC information as it stands in 2021 AND 2022. What you guys fail to understand is that the FTC is looking at their position a year from now AND after the potential ABK acquisition.

Microsoft is saying, "Hey look at us. We're struggling in the market" when they know Microsoft has yet to release their biggest titles of the generation and how big the likes of Call of Duty, Overwatch, and Diablo will be in the future. They know how big Starfield and Elder Scrolls are going to be.

You know it, but you guys just play dumb and go along with their ridiculous narrative. lol

It's like a guy complaining about how he's poor but he has a job lined up to make 120k a year starting next week.
The FTC isn't going to do anything They are hoping that the CMA blocks it All their arguements are weak, and they only filed the petition hoping MS would back off.

If it passes the CMA the FTC are going to back off real quick or get wrecked.
 

Kagey K

Banned
So much BS. These are sales for 2021. Series S was not widely available until this year. Just because certain posters saw a stack of them at random places, doesn't mean they were easy to find. I still don't see them on shelves regularly here in Illinois.
Not worth arguing, they are still pretending PS5 is hard to find and nobody wants an Xbox.
 
Not worth arguing, they are still pretending PS5 is hard to find and nobody wants an Xbox.

No one is pretending the PS5 is hard to find (in the US, in other countries it is) but the Series S has been widely available for well over a year now, to pretend it hasn’t is being disingenuous, its how they’ve outsold sony last holiday season. It wasn’t with the Xbox One or series X
 
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DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
Yeah, if you look at the first two years (and last gen) it obviously looks bad for them and they are using it to their advantage to show they are outmatched, but common sense would tell you that they’ve already announced a huge pipeline of games along with the zenimax buyout which they’ve already hinted at getting a bunch of exclusive titles from.

It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that xbox will be a stronger competitor two years from now even without ABK. Xbox fans on here/social media repeat ad nauseum that once their software starts rolling out it will be a different ball game so why wouldn’t regulators also think that?

Zenimax along with the other acquisitions they’ve made over the last 4 years has to be close to 10 billion. Thats already a lot of money to beef up your first party line up, that far eclipses what Sony or Nintendo could spend
It was all doom and gloom a year ago. They were saying Microsoft is firing on all cylinders and Sony was in trouble.

They have all those studios and they still need help? lol. That's bs.
 

Kagey K

Banned
No one is pretending the PS5 is hard to find (in the US, in other countries it is) but the Series S has been widely available for well over a year now, to pretend it hasn’t is being disingenuous, its how they’ve outsold sony last holiday season. It wasn’t with the Xbox One or series X
Before Sept this year I had seen 3 series S in stores 1 X and 2 PS5, so your anecdote does not equal others. Yet you proclaim it as fact.

At Walmart yesterday they had no Series X or S and 3 PS5, so I guess PS5 is easier to get.

(By your logic)
 
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DForce

NaughtyDog Defense Force
So much BS. These are sales for 2021. Series S was not widely available until this year. Just because certain posters saw a stack of them at random places, doesn't mean they were easy to find. I still don't see them on shelves regularly here in Illinois.


Xbox Series S was easy to find in 2021. Many retailers had it available online and it barely went out of stock in 2021. I even shared screenshots after Xbox gamers on here denied it.

Let's not forget that many gamers took advantage of a price error last year for the Xbox Series S


You don't have this unless you have a lot of stock available.
 
It was all doom and gloom a year ago. They were saying Microsoft is firing on all cylinders and Sony was in trouble.

They have all those studios and they still need help? lol. That's bs.

You can’t own Elder Scrolls, Doom, Fallout (and to a lesser degree, Quake, Rage, Wolfenstein,Dishonored, Evil Within, etc.) Along with big established IP like Minecraft and Forza and still think you’re the ones backed into a corner.

Those are some of the biggest IP in gaming. The pleading for competition rings hollow when you look at the amount of prestigious IP they currently own
 
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Huh? You lost me now.

Posts here don't help stock, or prove your position or mine. You lost me.

The post were in relation to how well the Series S was able to sell due to being able to produce more of them than the Series X and PS5. It was the only console you could walk into a store and buy last fall/holiday season and everyone called it “genius” in hindsight due to stock shortages.

Lets not do this, it really wasn’t that long ago
 
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Kagey K

Banned
The post were in relation to how well the Series S was able to sell due to being able to produce more of them than the Series X and PS5. It was the only console you could walk into a store and buy last fall/holiday season and everyone called it “genius” in hindsight to stock shortages.

Lets not do this, it really wasn’t that long ago
I agree. Let's not.

You know the internet is not the real world.
 
Once again, you're not paying attention. I don't know why Xbox gamers on here fail to comprehend something so simple.

Microsoft is showing the FTC information as it stands in 2021 AND 2022. What you guys fail to understand is that the FTC is looking at their position a year from now AND after the potential ABK acquisition.

Microsoft is saying, "Hey look at us. We're struggling in the market" when they know Microsoft has yet to release their biggest titles of the generation and how big the likes of Call of Duty, Overwatch, and Diablo will be in the future. They know how big Starfield and Elder Scrolls are going to be.

You know it, but you guys just play dumb and go along with their ridiculous narrative. lol

It's like a guy complaining about how he's poor but he has a job lined up to make 120k a year starting next week.
You think that MS hasn't provided any information on what the combined entity would be post acquisition? Sounds like you haven't been reading any of the info about this deal. None of this matters of since again the only thing that should stop the acquisition is if the law is broken. MS is not a monopoly and this deal won't change that.
 
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