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[tryDEATH]

It's not 2009. After all these years Soulsbourne games have become quite popular.

Maybe you should accept that?

It is far from a casuals game. A majority would have heard about it, but highly doubt many would have played let alone finished a Souls's game. There was a stat about Bloodborne how 50% of all players never even defeated the very first boss, similarly in Sekiro where only around 45% of people beat the first boss.

Its much more of a game you enjoy watching others die in pain than dying of pain playing the game yourself.

 

[Flashy Wizard]

There’s no doubt Sony’s going to bring the heat this gen as they always do. Demon’s Souls looks amazing and the best is yet to come! Still can’t preorder my PS5 ☹

 

[MasterCornholio]

It is far from a casuals game. A majority would have heard about it, but highly doubt many would have played let alone finished a Souls's game. There was a stat about Bloodborne how 50% of all players never even defeated the very first boss, similarly in Sekiro where only around 45% of people beat the first boss.

Its much more of a game you enjoy watching others die in pain than dying of pain playing the game yourself.

I think what Sony cares about are people buying the game more than people completing it. I know it isn't for casuals but the Soulsbourne games are pretty popular and Demon Souls should do well.

 

[Yoboman]

You are missing the point and I admit I should've made it more clear.

What I'm saying is that FFXVI doesn't look like a cutting edge SP Final Fantasy like FFXV, it looks more like a game that has to run on as many systems as possible, which is very typical for MMORPGs, like Final Fantasy XIV hence it reminds me of FFXIV. I wasn't trying to say that it looks like FFXIV, more like it has some really rough edges which are typical for MMORPGs.

The textures of the Chocobo's beak and the sword, the chainmail, the feathers, the dirt(?) and wrinkles on the clothes are all low res textures

The grass and ambient occlusion looks worse than FFXV on PC and especially the ground textures... this screenshot in particular looks really bad for a next gen title.

The Chocobo looks much improved over FFXV... but I'd expect more from a next gen mainline FF.

Compare that to Final Fantasy XV running on a PC and I'd argue that there isn't much of an improvement and it's not like FFXV came out last year.

Now you could argue that a lot can happen until release and I hope it will, but it hasn't exactly blown me away graphically and I seem to not be the only one.

Im just being facetious, I know what you're saying. We discussed this pretty heavily in the FFXVI thread, the team behind this is definitely of the mantra that they need to get quality, content and fun right before graphics. I think they have their priorities right, and we'll see graphical improvements over time regardless

 

[Die Namek Ability]

FFXVI looks much better in these sceens grabs then it did live during the event. Im hopefully it still has time for polish because it still looks a little off. Not as bad as the Craig Infinite but does have a similar clay like look.

 

[RPS37]

And like that I decided I needed a PS5 just to play Demon’s Souls.

 

[McCarth]

XVI looks like it still needs a lot of work, but I also think it probably won't look that much better. This definitely screams SE finally realizing they need to get these titles out the door far more quickly and efficiently.

 

[meech]

How are people not impressed by Demon's Souls? Man even DS3 looked incredible on release, we've come a long way from Blight town

Just look at the leafs at the walls or the trees. Nextgen, lol, Last of 2 looks better then this. Witcher 3 too, and that is a semi openworld game.

 

[tryDEATH]

I think what Sony cares about are people buying the game more than people completing it. I know it isn't for casuals but the Soulsbourne games are pretty popular and Demon Souls should do well.

Again never said anything about making money, but brought up that people will come whining about the difficult of the game, which I backed up with numbers of how many give up at the very first boss.

Also if this is a faithful remaster of the game, this was the first game in the series and in that time the genre has advanced and fine tuned the gameplay, something you won't see in DS so even gamers that played Soul's like games recently will be playing a much more elementary version of Soul's games.

Lets get back to the screenshots and the threads topic.

 

[Dolomite]

The more I see of demons souls the better it looks. Fingers crossed, no next gen downgrades

 

[MasterCornholio]

Again never said anything about making money, but brought up that people will come whining about the difficult of the game, which I backed up with numbers of how many give up at the very first boss.

Also if this is a faithful remaster of the game, this was the first game in the series and in that time the genre has advanced and fine tuned the gameplay, something you won't see in DS so even gamers that played Soul's like games recently will be playing a much more elementary version of Soul's games.

Lets get back to the screenshots and the threads topic.

Your wrong about it being a remaster though.

 

[Danjin44]

It is far from a casuals game.

It my might not be "casual" but FROM has much bigger following compare to 2009. (god, I feel old)

 

[onQ123]

This is crazy

 

[Portugeezer]

FF16 faces look a bit off in some scenes. Guessing it will improve a lot by launch.

 

[Kuranghi]

Complete rubbish, not impressed.

Am I doing it right?

 

[Kuranghi]

This is crazy

Look, black people just have different hair, there's nothing "crazy" about it you massive racist.

Spoiler

I know mate, its fucking crazy good. Pretty excited for it.

 

[itsjustJEFF]

Demons souls looks amazing, but I had to watch this gameplay trailer at 4K to really appreciate details on the walls, ground and characters. This game will shine at 4K for sure.

Dude, Demon souls looks great... but I'm mostly replying to you cause I'm also a Fuji Shooter! Hell yea, Fuji baby Its hard to find other Fuji shooters aka those with class and style hahahah jk jk Sony shooters

 

[itsjustJEFF]

I think Demons Souls looks really good. Animation, textures, it just looks good. If you don't think so, you're in the minority. I'm not saying you're wrong, but when everyone else says it looks good and you don't... it's you bro jk jk I respect your opinion because... IDK but there is something about FF16, in motion, that I just don't like and doesn't impress me like at all. Something is off about it. I don't know what it is. I just kinda don't like it that much.

 

[Hunnybun]

I think Demons Souls looks really good. Animation, textures, it just looks good. If you don't think so, you're in the minority. I'm not saying you're wrong, but when everyone else says it looks good and you don't... it's you bro jk jk I respect your opinion because... IDK but there is something about FF16, in motion, that I just don't like and doesn't impress me like at all. Something is off about it. I don't know what it is. I just kinda don't like it that much.

It's not that I don't think it looks good, I just don't think it looks next gen. The graphics don't look obviously better than similar environments in God of War or the Uncharted games. Tbh I'd say the mines area of God of War probably looks better than this.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Dude, Demon souls looks great... but I'm mostly replying to you cause I'm also a Fuji Shooter! Hell yea, Fuji baby Its hard to find other Fuji shooters aka those with class and style hahahah jk jk Sony shooters

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[M1chl]

But the games do have mass appeal.

Dark Souls 3 sales hits the ten million mark – and the series tops 27 million

Still no word on when Elden Ring's due, though

www.pcgamesn.com

Sekiro which is a new IP also sold over 2 million in 10 days and then went on to sell over 5 million.

Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice Surpasses 5 Million Units Sold

Sekiro has now reached 5 million in lifetime sales, which is pretty impressive for a relatively niche new IP.

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Damn that's massive, did not know this. I also bought Dark Souls 3. For me best Souls game, but honestly with me playing it for almost a year. I think it's my last. However for new Bloodborne I am prepared. Also did not finished Sekiro, for me difficulty was just too obnoxious.

 

[GymWolf]

Spiderman is particularly impressive

Spoiler

morales

detroit ps4

morales

spidey ps4

morales

spidey ps4

better to run away before SDF gets here for the rescue

But to return serious for a moment, the enviromental textures were pretty good, only characters, faces and npc have their clear root on current gen, the rest is acceptable for a crossgen.

no comment on ff16, it looks like a pretty good current gen game.

demons is nice but animations were pretty weightless and the atmosphere is completely different.

Everything looks nice but far from mindblowing imo.

 

[Hunnybun]

I have to say, I'm definitely a bit concerned now that native 4k will prevent us getting a real generational leap.

Of the gameplay we've seen I think only Ratchet achieves that while jumping to native 4k, although I'm confident Horizon will live up to the cinematic footage we saw too. Is it just too tall an order?

 

[Gold_Loot]

This is crazy

I’m sorry. I had to!

 

[DavidGzz]

Spiderman is particularly impressive

Spoiler

morales

detroit ps4

morales

spidey ps4

morales

spidey ps4

better to run away before SDF gets here for the rescue

But to return serious for a moment, the enviromental textures were pretty good, only characters, faces and npc have their clear root on current gen, the rest is acceptable for a crossgen.

no comment on ff16, it looks like a pretty good current gen game.

demons is nice but animations were pretty weightless and the atmosphere is completely different.

Everything looks nice but far from mindblowing imo.

Yep, cross gen striking hard. Demon's for me is the only next generation game play I've seen or care about. Also that Monkey King game but that is super far away.

 

[GymWolf]

Yep, cross gen striking hard. Demon's for me is the only next generation game play I've seen or care about. Also that Monkey King game but that is super far away.

if i have to be perfectly honest, not even demons impressed me that much, animation were kinda mediocre to me and the models are not a gigantic step forwards compared to the stuff in gow for example (i know different art style but details are still details)
i guess once again that enviromental textures were the major difference (same for morales)

if we talk about bluepoint remake, i was fairly more impressed with their remake of shadow of the colossus on ps4.

the monkey king game had some nextgen stuff, but a lot of current gen stuff too.

still impressive for a chinese AA game.

 

[DavidGzz]

if i have to be perfectly honest, not even demons impressed me that much, animation were kinda mediocre to me and the models are not a gigantic step forwards compared to the stuff in gow for example (i know different art style but details are still details)
i guess once again that enviromental textures were the major difference (same for morales)

if we talk about bluepoint remake, i was fairly more impressed with their remake of shadow of the colossus on ps4.

the monkey king game had some nextgen stuff, but a lot of current gen stuff too.

still impressive for a chinese AA game.

We'll have to agree to disagree on DS. The animations are far better than the original while still keeping them overall the same. I think they were kind of stuck with the original framework while adding their own flourishes. I guess I wasn't comparing it to God of War, but to Dark Souls 3 which i just played maxed out this morning. DS mops the floor with it and I still think Dark Souls 3 is very pretty. And yeah, I still think this looks a good bit better than God of War as well.

Also, I never think it's fair to compare animations to an action game with two weapons. Sekiro has the best animations of any Souls like for a reason. It has one weapon.

As far as graphics, again, I like to compare similar games. When it comes to medieval ARPGs with several weapons nothing compares in the graphics and animation department. There is a reason the DF dude was gushing about this game.

 

[GymWolf]

We'll have to agree to disagree on DS. The animations are far better than the original while still keeping them overall the same. I think they were kind of stuck with the original framework while adding their own flourishes. I guess I wasn't comparing it to God of War, but to Dark Souls 3 which i just played maxed out this morning. DS mops the floor with it and I still think Dark Souls 3 is very pretty. And yeah, I still think this looks a good bit better than God of War as well.

Also, I never think it's fair to compare animations to an action game with two weapons. Sekiro has the best animations of any Souls like for a reason. It has one weapon.

As far as graphics, again, I like to compare similar games. When it comes to medieval ARPGs with several weapons nothing compares in the graphics and animation department. There is a reason the DF dude was gushing about this game.

of course they are better than the original, just not good enough to satisfy me, but i'm kinda of an animations whore.

The guy who make the animations in the ori saga (games with outstanding animations) said that the animation were mediocre on reeeee, now mediocre maybe is a strong word, but a lot of people over there where not convinced by the animations, they are a little bit weigthless\off...

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Hogwarts Legacy screenshots, this game feels like current gen on ultra and sometimes at lower, it's pretty rough at some points. 60fps sometimes, and even as low as 20fps in some parts. Looks like very early build that they rushed it out. It's a multiplat so far, running on PS5 dev-kit.

Spoiler: 21 screenshots

 

[Matsuchezz]

Hogwarts Legacy screenshots, this game feels like current gen on ultra and sometimes at lower, it's pretty rough and some points. 60fps sometimes, and even as low as 20fps in some parts. Looks like very early build that they rushed it out. It's a multiplat so far, running on PS5 dev-kit.

I found the first picture and that part of the trailer really beautiful artistically, we usually have big open worlds but it is rare to find a cool looking spot like this one. I just loved it.

 

[Psajdak]

I had no idea that PS5 emulation progressed so far already.

 

[Hunnybun]

I found the first picture and that part of the trailer really beautiful artistically, we usually have big open worlds but it is rare to find a cool looking spot like this one. I just loved it.

Yeah that shot is excellent. That's pretty much what I had in my mind's eye for next gen before any of the reveals.

Not quite photorealistic but very very close.

And yet a lot of the trailer was pretty rough. And to add to the confusion, it's cross gen too. We're we seeing two different versions? Is one version more complete than the other? How are they going to run the next gen looking stuff on current gen?

It's like the Resident Evil 8 footage. Lots of really mediocre stuff, at dodgy frame rates, interspersed with some absolutely stunning environments. What the hell's going on?


Back on Demon's Souls, I did some digging and apparently that footage was native 4k at 60fps, which is obviously extremely impressive if true. But that does sort of vindicate those of us who've questioned how impressive the visuals are, because it's inevitable that a big compromise would have to be made to run it at that output.

Also, quite what the enhancements for the graphics mode will be, if it's already native 4k, who the hell knows.

 

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[Bo_Hazem]

Deathloop, hope you like them!

Spoiler: 24 screenshots - 4K

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[Airbus Jr]

Demon Souls look incredible

Miles Morales and Hogwarts Legacy look ok

FF XVI look bad

 

[Hunnybun]

I really think people are sleeping on how great Deathloop looks.

Everything looks so well rendered, beautiful lighting and absolutely pristine image quality.

All running at native 4k and 60fps. Pretty much the only negative I can find is that it looks like they're gonna cheat on the resolution by using those bloody black bars. But otherwise it's one of the most impressive games they've shown yet, imo.

 

[THEAP99]

Notice how demon's souls looks the best since it's next gen only. Go figure

 

[Grinchy]

I really think people are sleeping on how great Deathloop looks.

Everything looks so well rendered, beautiful lighting and absolutely pristine image quality.

All running at native 4k and 60fps. Pretty much the only negative I can find is that it looks like they're gonna cheat on the resolution by using those bloody black bars. But otherwise it's one of the most impressive games they've shown yet, imo.

Yep, it looks awesome and also just has a great style and seems to be a really intriguing idea for a game. People wanted creativity and not to play the same shit over and over again - well, here is an example of it.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Put the screenshots in a spoiler cover for ease of scrolling. I'll do more, might bring all PS5 games so far while at it. Glad you people are enjoying them!

 

[Hunnybun]

Yep, it looks awesome and also just has a great style and seems to be a really intriguing idea for a game. People wanted creativity and not to play the same shit over and over again - well, here is an example of it.

Yeah, then they ignore it.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War 4K screenshots:

Spoiler: 19 screenshots - 4K

 

[UnNamed]

These 4K screenshots shows even more there is no nextgen: poor shadows, poor materials, poor details.

 

[BlueXImpulse]

The per object motion blur in Demon's Souls is insane.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Resident Evil: Village screenshots I just made!

Spoiler: the rest of the screenshots - 4k (24 images)