Have you ever stopped to think that maybe they don’t care to be in this thread either and if you want their answers then you would have to come to them?
They are the ones being asked and if you think they have to go out of their way just to satisfy you, you need an entitlement check.
The fact is, you don’t NEED to come to their community just as they don’t NEED to engage here but if you WANT answers that aren’t just majority made by men then you would have to come to a place that have at least a substantial amount of women.
The female of the species are nowhere near as competitive, with some outliers of course.I don't know any gaming women personally.... So 40% is not something I imagine. Online gaming also confirms my observation.
But ok. I only see a small bubble
This is ridiculous. Why even reply to my post then. It was aimed at the posters who want women to answer the thread‘s question.I don't want answers though. There are many reasons as have been discussed and most of them don't revolve around the misconcpetion that women are on the periphery of something like this, too meek or demure to participate:
They don’t need to be polled as even in the post I mentioned facebook where it can be easily discerned if you really want. Also, who says they even need to be polled? The problem is that it seems so easy to dismiss ones opinion here if you haven’t explicitly stated that you are a woman. You said it yourself that you don’t need to be a certain gender and just have gaming knowledge if you want a discussion.Have you stopped to think they don't want to be polled as their gender, so ignore threads like this? Or they don't want to post in a thread specifically setup to confirm they are women? There is as much merit in speculation about 'muh toxic gamers' as there in 'girls wanting to avoid dweeby white knights'. It can;t be the same reason why mumsnet is heavily weighted female can it?
Get out of your bubble. This kind of discussion where women actually gave their opinion has happened in many places and even recently in my SMT/Persona group especially with sexualization. I don’t like Resetera but even they have these kinds of discussions and women actually participate.The fact is you're not going to get a flood of these gamer girls on any of these forums pouring into the thread to share their life stories, they never do despite how many times this gets asked in various guises down the internet ages. How many women post on the sports team forums? How many women are on the neopets forums?
I don't want answers though. There are many reasons as have been discussed and most of them don't revolve around the misconcpetion that women are on the periphery of something like this, too meek or demure to participate:
The fact is you're not going to get a flood of these gamer girls on any of these forums pouring into the thread to share their life stories, they never do despite how many times this gets asked in various guises down the internet ages. How many women post on the sports team forums? How many women are on the neopets forums?
Have you stopped to think they don't want to be polled as their gender, so ignore threads like this? Or they don't want to post in a thread specifically setup to confirm they are women? There is as much merit in speculation about 'muh toxic gamers' as there in 'girls wanting to avoid dweeby white knights'. It can;t be the same reason why mumsnet is heavily weighted female can it?
What do you think happened when women started going to sports games regularly? Were we all told to sit on our hands, dust our brow with sweat cloths and keep the yelling at the ref to a hushed whisper with no expletives? Of course not, yet more women than ever go the game now. Women are perfectly capable of deciding where to post and what to do.
about the responses about why women haven’t given out their opinion in this thread need to to evaluate first how many women are active in neogaf first.
I mean just go to specific game pages on facebook and servers on discord and you would find many women are actually engaging in the gaming community. I mean just on the Resident Evil page I frequent to, there’s like tons of them. Discussion ranging from serious lore and mechanics to husbando polls about Dante and Leon.
Just like how people try to say that women are free to come to neogaf and participate, how about you step out of your bubble and try engaging in their community where they are.
Also, it’s kinda hard to post on this thread when half of it already dismisses the notion of women giving their opinion. How about try to be welcoming first so we can actually have a discussion where women won’t feel like they’ll be immediately be criticized if they ruffled your feathers.
It’s a serious discussion that needs serious answers.
I haven’t done yet but why not? Is this some kind of gotcha or something?Do you go to women dominated hobbyist forums and ask what the industry needs to do to cater to men, and then claim it's a serious discussion that needs serious answers?
I never said it was funny. It was very obvious. If it wasn't obvious how did you get onto the fact it was a joke? It's the obviousness of the jokes that triggered you, that you had to pick up on them. It prompted your first reply. You knew it was a blatant stupid one liner and you got into your battle armour right away. That's up to you. I looked at it, smirked then moved on with my life.
It's clear that you just don't have those social relationships where you take the piss out of each other based on stupid stereotypes and develop closeness. Like the 'old' jokes you use for your manager or coworkers etc. where you rip each other.
This is basically you to all women, waving round Call of Duty, Overwatch etc. imagining there's something wrong that they just want to play games they like and join communities that interest them.
To be honest this obsession about getting identified girls into the forums sounds way more neckbeard to me. It's like 'we wantz the hot gamergurlz, lulz'.
It would be helpful if we had those species sometimes here on the forum to discuss with, instead of bunch of guys arguing what’s best for them.
I haven’t done yet but why not? Is this some kind of gotcha or something?
I myself have been asked this question by my sister who wanted me to join her and be a fan of BTS.
I don’t see those kind of posts very often these days, at least not here. Maybe some odd one here and there. There’s a humor and gifs, yes, but people are generally mature. That’s my sentiment, at least.I'm saying why would you expect them to bother engaging with people who still thinks "tee hee girls are for cleaning and cooking" is a funny thing to say in 2021. I'm not even a girl and even I don't think those people are worth engaging with when the topic of conversation is related to sexism.
Good job trying to twist my words though I guess?
Do you go to women dominated hobbyist forums and ask what the industry needs to do to cater to men, and then claim it's a serious discussion that needs serious answers?
I don’t see those kind of posts very often these days, at least not here. Maybe some odd one here and there. There’s a humor and gifs, yes, but people are generally mature. That’s my sentiment, at least.
Aren't you essentially saying that there are types of games that women are not interesting in?Lots of men such as myself buy the new systems coming out to play the new games, a lot of the time they are of the very violent category. Of course a lot of women are turned off by it and won't buy it.
There was that member who didn’t shy away from saying she’s a girl/woman and afaik no one teased her or made jokes. Always had interesting things to say and you could feel that it was coming from someone who’s not as rough as your typical guy. Can’t remember the name, darn it, but think she’s banned now.You should read the rest of the thread before making a post like that. "Mature" isn't exactly the word I would use to discuss the discourse that's been going on.
41% of PS5 owners, said the link.40% of people playing on PS are women if we are to believe the statistics posted by Sony.
blue is the new pinkI hear all women prefer pink over blue
Is that true, Gaf?
The other plays Valorant, CODM and is a huge fan of Yakuza
...Far Cry and Days Gone.
I think trying to appeal to girl gamers is a mistake
You should read the rest of the thread before making a post like that. "Mature" isn't exactly the word I would use to discuss the discourse that's been going on.
Get out of your bubble. This kind of discussion where women actually gave their opinion has happened in many places and even recently in my SMT/Persona group especially with sexualization. I don’t like Resetera but even they have these kinds of discussions and women actually participate.
While I don't disagree in principle, I think it's worth wondering about a lot of posts in this thread and seriously asking yourself whether or not a woman would feel encouraged to offer their opinions when there appears to be a general tone that diminishes, belittles or undermines them. That's not to say that I think every space should be shoulder-rubbing circle of positive reinforcement and confirmation bias - but it's worth putting yourself in the other person's shoes sometimes.
There are a few, few women here but otherwise this forum is too far gone, and I don't blame women for either not knowing about this site and/or not joining it. It would take a cleanup crew of mods to make this place more inviting for more women(which would in-turn piss off the more controversial members here), especially with some posters here who tend to deflect a ton and throw blame back onto others instead of taking a minute to look in the mirror. There's already one of those types in here, on page one.
At least we both agree you're acting immature then.
But it was men who said Allow was ugly and fat… we are still talking about what women think and what or what we think they want?I don't think women want to see ugly women to "feel more positively about themselves"... Like seeing weak men in action movies doesn't make me feel better.
Maybe go out and ask some chicks to see what they prefer, but I assume most like to see a beautiful/inspired idea of what a women is.
I'd personally like to see more games aimed for all the family, not one particular demographic, that is if they are really wanting to reach more people.Sims anyone?
There are games one gender largely prefers, and the other way around.
I think it gets problematic when certain type weaponize stats and come with whole ideologies to control other people, such developers. (e.g. shitstorm around Kingdom Come)
Curiously, actually solving the issue (if one perceives gender gap at such things as an issue to begin with) is not in the interest of the said folks as it renders them irrelevant.
I see those obstacles as nothing but opportunities. NeoGAF needs to reinvent itself after the notorious "purge/exodus" of several years back, and adding a large number of women gamers would be the perfect solution. You're adding new perspectives and points of view, keeping current with modern videogames and removing the last vestiges of the old order.
As for all the negativity, we really don't need that. We need fewer Comic Book Guys and more positivity, as well as more voices from within the industry.
I agree. Let's kick out all the men so that Neogaf will be a safe space for women.I see current Neogaf as that reinvention. Both sites are completely fractured without the other(Resetera is too strict and Neogaf is too loose) and when taking a step back you can really tell that deep down both communities need each other to keep the other party in check.
As we currently are, there's no way we can entice more women gamers to come here. We have coomer threads on the forefront of our off topic section and people are too redpilled and borderline incel with opinions towards women and they won't back down on that opinion when called out or corrected on it(it's happening in this very thread). To add on top of that, the gaming community here is mostly jaded twenty-somethings or jaded older dudes who still want gaming to be like it was in the 90s and early 2000s(including the sexualization of women and men in games and media). I can try to bring positivity here and there from time to time but me and the few others like yourself here can only do so much without the help of stricter moderation(which again, they will hate).
Jesus fucking Christ.I think the actual percentage of females playing games is very, very low. Internet thots play or pretend to play only for exposure and fame. And I don't count mobile and trashy facebook games as real games.
I've yet to see a female who's into gaming in real life.
Bitches be into taking selfies rather then gaemz.
You joke, but there are people here that unironically think I'm trying to state what you just said when I'm not. I just hope you're not one of them.I agree. Let's kick out all the men so that Neogaf will be a safe space for women.