Operations66
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And almost every other example agrees with me.
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Activision Blizzard has appointed a new Chief Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion Officer who wants to increase the number of women and non-binary employ
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IFireflyl
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Per your link:
Reflect diversity in our workforce by meeting or exceeding market availability for gender and ethnicity diversity at all levels and all functions. This means expanding our sourcing capabilities so we can engage strong, underrepresented talent in our recruiting process and hold the business accountable for ensuring we interview a diverse slate of job candidates before we make offers.
Sony isn't just willy-nilly hiring women and whatever the hell non-binaries are just to meet some arbitrary quota. Activision Blizzard said they have a quota to meet (increase women/non-binary employees by 50%). That makes these two completely different agendas.
It's one thing to be open towards hiring people with diverse backgrounds while not explicitly hiring because of diversity (Sony), but it's another thing entirely to say that you're going to specifically hire because of diversity (Activision Blizzard). The latter one is actually illegal in the U.S.
Someone who loses out on a job at Activision Blizzard can actually sue, and probably win, because they have this claim to show that there isn't equality (because equity and equality are not the same thing) in the hiring process.
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Chukhopops
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Doesn’t “meeting or exceeding market availability for gender and ethnicity” mean hiring at least whatever percentage those groups represent in the total population and ideally exceeding this percentage and thus over-representing them? Sounds like the same thing said differently.
If you think the big Western Sony studios don’t have DEI policies for hiring I don’t know what to tell you, just take any open position and start the application process?
This kind of policy is everywhere, I work for an insurance company and we have something similar.
Jim Ryan other Clone
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I think you misunderstand what is work and what is personal life. In your work, you are paid to do something and that does not define you as a person. And your personality can't define your work. We have gay colleagues in my work but I have never in the many years I work there, heard them once bring that up. We respect them for the people they are and not they sexual preferences. And they got hired or promoted for the work they done and not because they have some special preference or they have to fill a quota. No one respect in any job the friend of the boss that comes to work without any skillset and he thinks he can do what he wants because the is privileged, the same applies when they bring someone to fill a agenda and not a missing position. That is the biggest problems people have with this inclusive policies.
Swift_Star
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Still see no reason not to do it. Most people will correct you once and that’s it. No one will act like era users do. The person will tell you they want to be called they, they’ll not lecture you, that’s a twitter thing.
You also have to learn people’s name. Honestly, this excuse was not a good one.
I’ve never heard of people being hired solely because they belong to one or other minority without having any required skill set. Never heard of someone being promoted the same way.
Care to give some receipts?
Seems like a pretty obvious position to have if you are a US company given the EEOC and expensive lawsuits still exist. Of course, if you're triggered by seeing certain words now, you'll immediately think the "Blue Haired Brigade" is up to something.
Yeah. . .no (nevermind you're thinking of "equality" and not "equity").
Yeah. . .no (nevermind you're thinking of "equality" and not "equity").
The Stig
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wut?
Frank Horrigan
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I'm glad Activision are creating a division that will stop homophobic, transphobic and racist langauge occuring in their games. All of that was distracting me from murdering Men and Womxn with Nukes, Chemical Weapons, Dogs and knife attacks.
Seems as that was pretty much what I put in the R* thread, is it worth making a CDPR style template?
"I'm glad [company] are removing homophobic, transphobic and racist langauge, as it was distracting the me from murdering people in [Franchise]"
Seems as that was pretty much what I put in the R* thread, is it worth making a CDPR style template?
"I'm glad [company] are removing homophobic, transphobic and racist langauge, as it was distracting the me from murdering people in [Franchise]"
TheGodfather07
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admiration is earned. everyone has a right to be respected as long as they are themselves respectful.
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March Climber
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This thread is another great filter to see the people who actually read and the people who just want to make a drive-by post for likes.
lukilladog
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Basically they now will hire ugly women instead of handsome women.
FingerBang
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Equality is something we all should fight for, as in having the same opportunity. I'm all for making sure people from "marginalized communities", whatever it means, get a chance to interview for a position.
Equity is equality of outcome, which is basically what socialism tries to do, very badly.
Basically, if 50% of the people in the country are women, then 50% of the employees are women. If 13% of the people are black, than 13% of the employee must be black and so on. Apart from being stupid, it's also counterproductive because eventually you'll have to force more men to be teachers and nurses and more women to get into construction jobs. Oh, and let's not even go to sports and music. It completely ignores the fact that different people, genders and cultures have different interests. It's a disaster when put in place.
Fuz
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It's just a turn of words to avoid saying "no white straight men".
Razvedka
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Political commissar - Wikipedia
OuterLimits
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Reporting you to the Officer of Diversity and Equity.
LordCBH
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Why are you committing a hate crime against me?
TheGodfather07
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so if someone has great wealth and social status but is a jerk to you and treats you like crap, do you respect him or not? you sound like a brown noser to me. if someone is respectful to you, does he not get yours in return? what is the criteria? does he need to be making a certain amount of money or a certain career path for your respect?
DaleinCalgary
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well we can say Activision just went down the shitter
Swift_Star
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They do. No one hires people without the necessary skill set. All these policies do is trying to make sure the people hired with the necessary skill set aren’t homogeneous as usually is nowadays. They’re trying to hire diverse people, but with the required skill set.
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Vaelka
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Nah, people deserve respect. “Earning” lol so some people don’t deserve respect because of what they look like, want to be called of what they like? What type or BS is that? If you want to be a dick be my guest, but don’t expect not to get some backlash. And lmao at the bolded. Seems you’re not very smart and can’t understand what Is being said.
I don’t care about non binaries labels and whatnot, I just make a point about respecting people because is the bare minimum we have to do to live in society. It doesn’t matter to me if a person wants to look like an alien and wants to be called he, she, they or it, it’s their problem, not mine and it’s not hard to respect people, but some people really have a hard time to do that.
Generally I agree I am not against trans people or anything like that.
But I also think that no we shouldn't respect everything and everyone.
I also think that respecting someone identifying as a deer diminishes the struggles of trans people and turns things into a joke.
People collectively need to have boundaries and call shit out when they see it otherwise you end up in a situation like we're essentially in now where we have people quite literally making genders up and people bending over backwards as to not upset the most easily upset people on the planet.
I have mixed thoughts on the non-binary thing I think there are maybe extremely rare cases where it might make sense but those are EXTREMELY rare.
99% of the time when I see people identify as it it's people who clearly fall into one category or they're just guys with long hair or women with short hair etc.
Based on what I've seen you could also be clearly a man who looks like the most masculine dude ever and label yourself non-binary too, should he get hired by Blizzard?
Non-binary is just a dumb thing to have in your hiring quota imo, it's such an insane niche to the point of absurdity to even consider it.
It makes a lot more sense with women but when we start getting into non-binary etc it just becomes absurd.
If we're talking about some random person I have to interact with then I'll just referr to them whatever they want to not cause a fuzz but I think that's different than a hiring practice for a big company.
Swift_Star
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like I said, I don’t care about the non binary stuff either, but I call them what they want to be called even if it sounds ridiculous.
And companies that have DEI policies don’t hire peiole just because they fit that specific criteria, they need to have the necessary skill set. The only thing these policies do is making sure the diverse people (trans, black, gay, whatever) curriculum’s are taken in consideration whereas before they’d be discarded in a heartbeat. Even with this policy, the vast majority of hired people will remain being straight white guys. In my company these policies exist and the most people hired are white guys and my company is considered one of the most inclusive in the world. It is what it is. They’re trying but are failing honestly lol.
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Nickolaidas
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Ironically, I'm horrible with names.
That said, the pronoun thing is harder because it conflicts with your mind being trained for years to register males as 'he/him' and females as 'she/her'. SonicFox can claim the 'they/them' as much 'they' like, in my mind and eyes he looks like a dude and my gut/instinct/brain tells me to refer to
And I'm not doing that because I'm an ass - I'm doing it because my eyes and brain register him as a dude and the 'he/him' almost immediately goes to my tongue when I wish to address or talk about that person. Sure, I can 'cheat' by always calling him by name, but little by little I come to realize that this person is basically 'forcing' me to change the way I address people and use my mind in order to satisfy that person's particular preference of being treated as a special exception to a global rule.
And I just don't realize what makes any such person so fucking special that I have to go through with all this.
lukilladog
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... and if they don´t find anyone with the required skills, they will hire the least worse to fill quota.
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Dr. Claus
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Not surprised you would block people who outright call you out on being a disrespectful, toxic poster.
I have bought a few Activision games over the past few years, but they were almost all remakes. Blizzard hasn't made a good game since MoP.
Neither socialism nor communism have anything to do with equity. And what you describe is not equity it's equality of representation, which indeed poses the problem you mention in the end.
Swift_Star
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very unlikely to happen. I’ve never seen it myself and my company has such policies. The position will remain open until the person with required skills is found.
They’re not special, they just don’t feel comfortable to be called with the usual pronouns. Like, I get it, it’s annoying, I don’t disagree with you and I don’t like it either, but I’d rather learn than get in the bad side of someone. With time you learn these things and it gets less annoying. Believe me, I find weird calling people “elu/delu” in Portuguese. It is what it is.
Oh, and don’t worry if you mistake the pronoun of someone you previously don’t know. They won’t lecture you, they’ll just tell you what they want to be called. Unless you’re in era.
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This isn't what equity in practice means. . .like at all. Equity in hiring means everyone is brought up to the same speed regarding access to the hiring process; it says nothing about forcing equal representation in your workforce, because why would it?
Jesus. Tap-dancing. Christ.
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How can someone with a functioning brain come to that conclusion? Don't answer that please.
lukilladog
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No?, what´s the policy in your company when they cannot fill all the checkboxes?. Hire no one and lose money?.
Swift_Star
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they keep the position open or they hire a person with the necessary skill set, regardless of the policy. No one will hire a person to a position without them having the necessary skills. This is silly and doesn’t happen.
Yoda
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I doubt it'll really help the culture there, sounds like they've been suffering from far more than the few douchebags who were openly sexist. If anything, it'll signal senior management cares more about PR than quality products, which'll drive the best talent our the door if for some strange reason they hadn't already left.
Darth_Ghandi
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I’m pretty sure plenty of none binary people are used to people getting their pronouns wrong.
I know I have and I am not cancelled, I just try and do better next time.
Also since they are statistically few and far between it sort of does help me remember since it is so rare too.
IFireflyl
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The last sentence basically explains how they increase diversity is by simply having more ability to collect diverse applications, and to thoroughly interview before making offers. That doesn't mean diversity hires for the sake of diversity hires. It means diversity hires will be more likely to occur by default because they're collecting and reviewing more diverse applications.
Again, this is 100% different from Activision Blizzard who wants to increase diversity hires by 50% just for the sake of increasing diversity hires. That's illegal in the U.S.
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