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After one year of Xbox Series X and PS5, here is a summary of the results of all Digital Foundry comparison videos of new-gen games
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Yes I'm telling you that if the $499 Xbox Series X was the only version they would not sell 30 million because PS5 would jump so far ahead of them that it would be getting even more exclusives
Shifty1897
Member
That was the one that made me question the whole list. Doesn't Arise run like 5-15fps higher on Series X? That ain't slightly better.Tales of Arise is only a light green shaded "slightly better"?
DF: Tales of Arise PS5 vs Series X/S Tech Breakdown.
- Two modes, a 1620p mode which targets 60 fps on PS5 and Series X and a 4K mode with better shadows with unlocked frame rate. Both are a visual match. On Series S is 1080 at 60 fps or 1440p at unlocked fps. - Performance: on PS5 performance is almost a locked 60 fps. 4K mode hovers around 40s...www.neogaf.com
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
So in aggregate, PS5 is outperforming the XSX.
It's not by much, but it's still pretty clear.
Surprising really, given all the noise certain folks made about TFLOPs and fixed versus variable GPU clocks.
I guess TFLOPs really aren't everything, huh?
..But can you?
Maybe you should start a thread about how the PS5 Digital Ed is better value...
kingfey
Banned
The problem with DF, is they are analyst. They dont do reviews of the game. This gives ammos to console warriors.
JackMcGunns
Member
DF did say Series X got a silent performance boost with one of it's updates apparently. Some of the issues that were a negative for Series X have been fixed, probably not enough for DF to revisit those comparisons, but when it comes to minor wins, I think it might be irrelevant at this point.
Lysandros
Member
Regardless of the source used, higher quality reconstruction on PS5 would be the expected result if PS4 PRO's specialized hardware support for ID buffer and Gradiant adjust are still present on it. I see this probality as high. Developers would have to spent some time and effort the use the custom hardware though.
Sosokrates
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The SeriesS is a strategic decision to increase installbase. Xbox do not just want to go toe to toe with PS5 but they want an option for PS5 customers, PS5 customers like great games and when you can buy a seriesS for $299/£249 and play all there 23 studios games for $10/month its an enticing offer.
Its how I think Xbox will match or exceed the PS5s installbase, they will have an option with such good value and such great content that even
kretos
would bite his lip and buy one.
Its how I think Xbox will match or exceed the PS5s installbase, they will have an option with such good value and such great content that even
kretos
would bite his lip and buy one.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
That's delusional. The Xbox One was more expensive, had a disastrous reveal and still managed to sell 55 million units. In the U.S, it outsold the PS4 several times in the November/December months. They are selling every single Xbox Series X console they make. They wouldve easily sold them all if there was no xss.
You bring up exclusives as this big factor that would help the PS5 sell more units and bury the Xbox before it even hits 20-30 million units, and yet ignore the fact that MS has gone out and acquired over a dozen studios since last gen. So by your own logic, those exclusives would help MS sell more units than they did in the Xbox One era. Which means at the minimum 55 million + whatever you want to add for having twice as many studios producing exclusives for them.
Sosokrates
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XSX + XSS is doing great, dont cry to much.
Sosokrates
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I agree with you here.
Bernd Lauert
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I know you're late to the thread, but that list has already been kinda debunked.
FrankWza
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The entire industry is. Don’t confuse strategy and circumstance. Look at the secondary market to understand where the demand is
bentanchorbolt
Banned
This is best case scenario. Games mostly equal, difference minor, no real true power benefit for the end user in most cases. Makes choosing a system more about games than performance.
Sosokrates
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So whats the issue? If the entire industry is doing great?
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Umbasaborne
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Same, ive been a playstation and xbox gamer since the ps3 and 360. Ive always owned both by the end of the generation. Last year i upgraded my one x and ps4 pro to a series x and ps5 on day one. As long as i can financially swing it, i will always go for both.The threads are just for fun, best thing is own both consoles and play best of both worlds in terms of exclusive games..
Third party wise get the one that's the least dog water.
Werewolfgrandma
Banned
My town hasn't had any of the 3 for at least 6 months. Where all these Xbox sitting unsold? Some random EU country?
alabtrosMyster
Banned
Shhhh don't talk performance because it makes people fight?
What about when one of the versions is broken for any reason? should it be avoided too?
FrankWza
Member
How should I know? You engaged me in conversation. Go back and read.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
But tflops are everything when it comes to comparing two classes of GPUs under the same family. A 2070 should never beat 2080, and a 5700 ahould never beat a 5700xt. So the fact that they are equal in some instances makes little sense. XSX performing worse in some games makes no sense.
The Zen 2 CPUs in the two consoles have the same architecture. The RDNA 2.0 GPUs have the same arch. The only difference is the PS5 I/O and the XSX's weird split memory architecture. I'd like someone to look into this and maybe ask devs why we are not seeing the performance advantage materialize every time. If only for academic purposes. If the higher PS5 clocks and I/O are making that much of a difference then I hope MS targets higher clocks and invests in a better I/O for their mid gen upgrade.
I'd also like to know why Doom and Metro run so much better and offer a 30% performance advantage despite just an 18% difference in tflops. What are they doing different than most other devs?
Zathalus
Member
Oh he knows, but something like facts wont stop a dedicated warrior like him.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
I see a
Riky
still getting sleepless nights about the launch games. Back then they didn’t matter because of “launch titles”. But now they do matter because they’ve been patched? Dirt is still running overal better on PS5 and the texture quality is also better on PS5. Nothing much has changed. The only thing that has changed is the XSX version is now more inline with the PS5 version.All the noises you guys made about “FULL RDNA2, “12TF of power”, “XSX will always have the best multiplatform games” and we can go on. It’s funny as hell to see you guys right now.
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Zathalus
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Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
Ok, there is no issue. Good day sir.
yurinka
Member
Basically they offer pretty similar results, sometimes slightly better in one side. In most cases, differences that can only be spotted if you're comparing side by side DF-like videos, stuff you wouldn't notice by yourself playing the game or that in case of playing the 'worse' version you wouldn't miss from the other version specially if you didn't play it before.
I think it's good to have pretty much tied results.
I think it's good to have pretty much tied results.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
API utilization is huge.
BbMajor7th
Member
I mean, he is right on the TeraFLOPS thing. I remember the hundreds of forum pages binned on wars over whether or not that crucial number would make a substantive difference in the games and, well, these figures kind of speak for themselves. It could be, after everything, that armchair developers on the internet really did know less than the actual developers out there making games.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
This. It's been a year and I am not seeing anything revolutionary or inspired. It's more of the same.Shame, looks like he lost that bet.
sircaw
Banned
How is Derry doing these days?
rickybooby87
Member
sircaw
Banned
The thing is people still will never learn, even after this generation ends and the next one starts, people are still going to be wowing about teraflops.
It goes on and on and on, sigh.
Lysandros
Member
I think you are being very unfair to Tom, he is repeating your final statement in nearly every single one of his videos.
Snake29
RSI Employee of the Year
Shame, looks like he lost that bet.
Nop this person was right all along about the teraflop noises people made. I only see xbox fans moving their narrative right now, coming with excuses as if they never argued about all this power talk.
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Lognor
Banned
No, it's actually the opposite. And the funny thing is the person who made the graphic even put a note saying they are biased. Look at the actual games and the actual results. Not this misinformed summary.
BbMajor7th
Member
You're right - people like to argue, so they'll argue about anything
It's funny though, thinking back on the spec reveals and all the big talk about PS5's 'overclocked' architecture and the power distribution stuff. The hot takes were absolutely sizzling at the time - never comes up anymore that.
Md Ray
Member
8K should be possible, but I get the impression that Shin'en likes to go for a rock-solid frame rate on all of their console versions like Playground Games does for their games, so they probably went with the resolution that gave them that consistent target frame rate (60fps) on XSX. 8K likely has dips under 60, not seen on PS5.Md Ray
More information would of been nice from shinin.
Shinin said the high frequency, memory setup and rewitting the engine for the PS5's low level APi's make 8k possible.
But he never said 8k was not possible on the XSX.
More clarification is needed. Its not great that John and Richard were so keen to go along with this conclusion without more information they should of asked shinin more questions.
I don't get this, why is it so hard for some of you to accept the fact that PS5 GPU is just faster at some things than XSX GPU even after hearing it from someone who has worked and shipped a game on both consoles? You're probably one of those people who expected to see 1440p on PS5 vs 4K on XSX before launch because you saw a 2 TF difference between them just like the Pro vs One X's 2 TF gap.
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Riky
$MSFT
I see a
All the noises you guys made about “FULL RDNA2, “12TF of power”, “XSX will always have the best multiplatform games” and we can go in. It’s funny as hell to see you guys right now.
Framerate is much better on Series X, I think the PS5 version actually got worse with the patches with the stuttering.
sircaw
Banned
Same with the full Rdna2 spiel.You're right - people like to argue, so they'll argue about anything
fun times haha
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BbMajor7th
Member
Average frame rate says there's just over a frame in it... at 120 FPS. 'Much better' might be a slight overstatement. 'Within margin of error' or 'negligible' might be more on the money.Framerate is much better on Series X, I think the PS5 version actually got worse with the patches with the stuttering.
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Riky
$MSFT
The race had only just started.
Sosokrates
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Its hard to accept because its not the case on other examples, xss to xsx, ps4 to ps4 pro, pc gpus.
I mean those are legit reasons to cast doubt, why are folks like yourself so willing to accept higher clocks to cause higher performance when there are examples of this not being the case?
Also, even it were true I dont think it would cause such a huge 70% increase in resolution. If the PS5 had such a vast advantage why aren't we seeing it in other games.
What I think is happening is that the PS5's architecture works better with shinins engine. This does not mean the PS5s hardware is more powerful it just means this engine is wrote in such a way which favours the PS5, However the engine could be altered to favour the XSX and achieve 8k, but that would of required more work the dev was not willing to do.
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sircaw
Banned
PS5 has more clouds in that shot, it means it's using more of the Gpu.
Ps5 victory!!!!!!
Let's hope no one takes me seriously
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BbMajor7th
Member
In which case, the PS5 must have been killing it for the other ten seconds, otherwise the averages would be way more split, right? To be fair, it does look like PS5 was pushing denser foliage on that particular corner
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
Basically the average difference is completely negligible.
Some people were expecting the XSX to be significantly ahead in almost every game, like PS4 was vs XBO, but firstly the absolute difference is way smaller this time (about 17% vs over 40% last gen if we're talking TF), and secondly TF isn't everything. Some games/engines seem to prefer a faster GPU over a wider one, otherwise the XSX should in theory be winning every single comparison. In practice they achieve very comparable results.
Some people were expecting the XSX to be significantly ahead in almost every game, like PS4 was vs XBO, but firstly the absolute difference is way smaller this time (about 17% vs over 40% last gen if we're talking TF), and secondly TF isn't everything. Some games/engines seem to prefer a faster GPU over a wider one, otherwise the XSX should in theory be winning every single comparison. In practice they achieve very comparable results.
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Bernd Lauert
Banned
I'm really glad that the spoiler gave me consent.PS5 has more clouds in that shot, it means it's using more of the Gpu.
Ps5 victory!!!!!!
Let's hope no one takes me seriously
Lysandros
Member
I am genuinely beginning to think that's some deep rooted belief in the superiority of the western engineering at this point. This is hurting eurocentric sensibilities i guess. Or that's simply some kind of voluntary blindness. Quite baffling actually.
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kingfey
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MadchesterManc
Member
few things tickles ones fancy on GAF more than folk posting a single frame cap and extrapolating a games overall performance from it.