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All jokes aside, how well do you think Jim Ryan is running PlayStation?
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Just pointing out real life. Weird indeed. I feel like the point I mentioned is what decides if he's running the show well
Their 1st party hasn't stopped pumping out quality games, I like the extra tier (great value), and dualsense is awesome. And I'm happy with the pc expansion. Good stuff for players too
I will say, they stopped being leaders, right now they feel reactive and playing catch up. Catching up on gaas, on pc, on streaming, on a gamepass subscription etc
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
Which is funny because that new trilogy sold over 30million between them.
Crazy
kyliethicc
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Ass of Can Whooping
get in here like the good lil Jimbo simp you areBut they don't do online mp shooter, which is clearly what they want were aiming for. Someone that knows that specific space. This acquisition doesn't stop another from happening from the the ones you listed. They probably saw more value on a studio/game that constantly brings recurring revenue, and can help with their upcoming 10 upcoming mp games by 2026
Thirty7ven
Sony make cringe trainers.
Pretty good at running it into the ground, long timers can start saying goodbye.
Gambit2483
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TBF they're probably making more 
off Destiny than they ever did off Halo....
Men_in_Boxes
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GamePass and 90 billion dollar investments from XBox...
Jim Ryan:
Can't think of a single obvious misstep from Jim Ryan yet. PlayStation may be drastically diminished over the next 10 years but it won't be due to poor strategy on Jim Ryan's part.
Jim Ryan:
Can't think of a single obvious misstep from Jim Ryan yet. PlayStation may be drastically diminished over the next 10 years but it won't be due to poor strategy on Jim Ryan's part.
SlimySnake
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only because of the poor yen. they actually made more money than they did in the first covid year which was a record, but because the yen value went down, 325 billion yen became just $2.3 billion vs $3.2 billion (320 billion yen) the year before.
Not something under his control.
Eddie-Griffin
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They still were not in a position to do anything even then. The remakes Activision released were to get around Sony's exclusive rights to the original PS1 games they couldn't release it anywhere else, Activision always intended to put those games, which were often the top of PSN charts, cross-platform and because of that there's nothing Sony could have done to stop that outside Sony buying Activision themselves. A feat that would be impossible in the time frame you are referring to when they were for many years on the top of their game.
The only thing Sony could have done for the fans was put the original games that has on PSN in a collection on disc and tried to bump their resolution to 1080p and 4K when the PS4 Pro released. But that's going to pale to 3 remakes in one game.
Jormatar
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He is a PR nightmare but you can't deny the fact under his command PlayStation has delivered probably the best lineup of games to start the console generation, expanded to PC and their studios have grown which allows them to focus on multiple projects at the same. Also it's nice to finally get some proper multiplayer projects from PlayStation studios.
He might not be Phil Spencer but he sure as hell isn't as incompetent as Don Mattrick.
He might not be Phil Spencer but he sure as hell isn't as incompetent as Don Mattrick.
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TheDreadLord
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My impression is that on the long term he will do more harm than good to Sony.
BreakOut
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I think he has had some great ideas but I don’t think they were implemented very well. I think he makes a lot of mistakes and is walking shit back constantly. Raising the price of the system was a terrible fucking decision and I have a feeling it’ll be walked back as well. He’s also a PR nightmare with the fan base. (This thread alone is evidence of that) He’s completely unable to communicate what is going on with the players, there is a lack of advertising for games and, for me at least, a lack of faith in knowing the direction PlayStation is going makes me uneasy about sinking money into games for it. I don’t think he realizes what made PlayStation successful during the PlayStation 4 era and I think he’s gonna fuck it up. He’s riding on the good faith days that the other CEOs worked hard to build.
I don’t own an Xbox but when I see shit like the game pass family plan, it’s hard not to glance over and really think about long term. I love my PlayStation, all of my friends play on it but I’m not rich and if $70 games are going to be a thing they need to be shit that is not a remake. Microsoft being able to take a loss to make things work financial for consumers is something that is so enticing that even if Sony can’t do it they need to find a way to make it visible that sticking with them and paying the extra money is going to be worth it. I don’t think PlayStation is going to fail, but their market domination is going to be hard to maintain like this
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I don’t own an Xbox but when I see shit like the game pass family plan, it’s hard not to glance over and really think about long term. I love my PlayStation, all of my friends play on it but I’m not rich and if $70 games are going to be a thing they need to be shit that is not a remake. Microsoft being able to take a loss to make things work financial for consumers is something that is so enticing that even if Sony can’t do it they need to find a way to make it visible that sticking with them and paying the extra money is going to be worth it. I don’t think PlayStation is going to fail, but their market domination is going to be hard to maintain like this
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Topher
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Well put.
Sosokrates
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Yeah sorry perhaps I was a bit sharp.
But my point is if pleasing shareholders was the goal, it might not always co inside with gamers interests.
SupremeHoodie
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Mattrick was the beneficiary of the foundation set by Peter Moore. Mattrick's baby was the xbox one and we all know how disastrous that was.
Sosokrates
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I guess its inevitable that playstation and xbox use each others ideas.
I would agree with you, if that would show with gamers responding negatively with their wallets. And so far, from my understanding, Ps5s are still flying off shelves, and games like last of us part 1 at $70 are still being incredibly successful. Heck, my casual gamer friends tell me $10 upgrade fee is fine, no big deal. Etc
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They needed somone like steve job who would be in an xbox leadership team and go nuts and tell em how crap everything is and if anyone challenged him he would do this.
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Sosokrates
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Alyx is the only AAA VR game there is, the horizon PSVR game is under a B team Firesprite and I very much doubht it has any where near the budget of forbidden west.
SlimySnake
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Absolutely trash. I am shocked by the poll results, and the reasons OP gave for his thumbs up. I feel like I might be living in an alternate reality.
We, and by we I mean the blue rats, spend the entire last year shitting on Phil and the cross gen xbox lineup which was eventually very well received thanks to the 93 metacritic of Forza and 87 metacritic Halo. They even had Ascent and a couple other smaller well received exclusives. Didnt matter. they were all cross gen and we rightfully dismissed them as such and put the blame at Phil's feet.
The same standards dont apply to Mr. Bimbo for some reason. Especially in the 2nd full year of PS. I would think more people would be appalled by it but as of right now, im not even in the majority.
His constant lies and misleading statements alone should discredit him. Says HFW and Miles were built from the ground up on PS5. Lies. Reveals them as PS5 games knowing full well they were last gen. Refused to straight up answer whether GOW was last gen. Literally refused the journalist's question at launch knowing full well he needed to sell his PS5s and couldnt risk GOW fans not rushing to buy Playstations at insanely high prices. Kept advertising GT7 as a next gen only game with the same marketing as Demon Souls, Ratchet and Returnal. And thats just the cross gen stuff.
His insane $10 next gen tax, the ps5 price hike, the HFW upgrade debacle, and subsequent 180 which somehow was even worse just exposes the kind of used car salesmen this man really is.
Also, he's made them MORE efficient? WTF am I reading here? Did you all not see that HFW took FIVE full year of dev time for a last gen sequel? GOW has taken longer to make than it took Cory to reboot the fucking thing. GT7 almost took five years to add a campaign mode and shippedw without in game ray tracing. Kojima made Death Stranding a new IP in 3 years with no studio, no engine and no devs when starting out, and yet 3 years after shipping DS, he has shown nothing. He wasnt funded even though he won the most GOTY awards that year and had to go beg MS and fucking stadia for money??? Sony Bend literally revealed a logo three years after shipping days gone. ND just wasted 2 precious years on an underwhelming remake. They used to make entire games in 1 year just last gen. This is efficient? In what universe?
Sales wise, he was handed a gold mine and he's allowed himself to get beaten in the US by Microsoft for last three quarters running. Imagine losing to a 4 tflops console. Worldwide sales have been much better, but his predecessors wouldve never let PS5 lose in THE biggest market. I also dont know how the chip shortage is affecting PS5, the largest console manufacturer but not AMD's AIB partners who flooded the gaming market with the 10 tflops 6600xt and 13 tflops 6700xt. Why couldnt jimbo secure those contracts? Wasnt his goal to sell 20 million in the first year? He shouldve secured those 20 million chips before the pandemic back in 2019.
To me, he's been an abject failure. I am sitting here with a $500 console he sold me with absolutely no next gen games to play in 2022. Oh right, he's trying to mislead us again into thinking TLOU was rebuilt from the ground up on PS5. As if we dont have eyes and didnt play TLOU2 2 years ago. Shameless dude.
We, and by we I mean the blue rats, spend the entire last year shitting on Phil and the cross gen xbox lineup which was eventually very well received thanks to the 93 metacritic of Forza and 87 metacritic Halo. They even had Ascent and a couple other smaller well received exclusives. Didnt matter. they were all cross gen and we rightfully dismissed them as such and put the blame at Phil's feet.
The same standards dont apply to Mr. Bimbo for some reason. Especially in the 2nd full year of PS. I would think more people would be appalled by it but as of right now, im not even in the majority.
His constant lies and misleading statements alone should discredit him. Says HFW and Miles were built from the ground up on PS5. Lies. Reveals them as PS5 games knowing full well they were last gen. Refused to straight up answer whether GOW was last gen. Literally refused the journalist's question at launch knowing full well he needed to sell his PS5s and couldnt risk GOW fans not rushing to buy Playstations at insanely high prices. Kept advertising GT7 as a next gen only game with the same marketing as Demon Souls, Ratchet and Returnal. And thats just the cross gen stuff.
His insane $10 next gen tax, the ps5 price hike, the HFW upgrade debacle, and subsequent 180 which somehow was even worse just exposes the kind of used car salesmen this man really is.
Also, he's made them MORE efficient? WTF am I reading here? Did you all not see that HFW took FIVE full year of dev time for a last gen sequel? GOW has taken longer to make than it took Cory to reboot the fucking thing. GT7 almost took five years to add a campaign mode and shippedw without in game ray tracing. Kojima made Death Stranding a new IP in 3 years with no studio, no engine and no devs when starting out, and yet 3 years after shipping DS, he has shown nothing. He wasnt funded even though he won the most GOTY awards that year and had to go beg MS and fucking stadia for money??? Sony Bend literally revealed a logo three years after shipping days gone. ND just wasted 2 precious years on an underwhelming remake. They used to make entire games in 1 year just last gen. This is efficient? In what universe?
Sales wise, he was handed a gold mine and he's allowed himself to get beaten in the US by Microsoft for last three quarters running. Imagine losing to a 4 tflops console. Worldwide sales have been much better, but his predecessors wouldve never let PS5 lose in THE biggest market. I also dont know how the chip shortage is affecting PS5, the largest console manufacturer but not AMD's AIB partners who flooded the gaming market with the 10 tflops 6600xt and 13 tflops 6700xt. Why couldnt jimbo secure those contracts? Wasnt his goal to sell 20 million in the first year? He shouldve secured those 20 million chips before the pandemic back in 2019.
To me, he's been an abject failure. I am sitting here with a $500 console he sold me with absolutely no next gen games to play in 2022. Oh right, he's trying to mislead us again into thinking TLOU was rebuilt from the ground up on PS5. As if we dont have eyes and didnt play TLOU2 2 years ago. Shameless dude.
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Yes, and I think the money would be better spent on devs like ai suggested, Playstation strength has never been MP games it be Epic single player and unique indies
Sosokrates
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Yeah, i never said they were not selling well. But selling well does negate the unfavorable choices they have made.
But my Original post in this thread has my opinion on the situation.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/all-...is-running-playstation.1641073/post-266537789
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vivftp
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Since Jim Ryan took over in 2019 we've seen initiatives from SIE such as:
- Massive studio expansion of all PlayStation Studios, with some of their larger ones going multi-project
- More acquisitions than ever in SIE's history (Insomniac, Valkyrie, Housemarque, Bluepoint, Bungie, Haven, Firesprite, Savage Game Studio and Nixxes.
- Expansion into PC gaming (several PC titles released so far with several more announced and known via the Nvidia leak)
- Expansion into mobile gaming (not yet announced anything)
- Expansion into esports with the co-acquisition of Evo
- The creation of PlayStation Productions (10+ film and TV projects)
- The push for live service games (10+ by 2025)
- Premium subscription services by merging PS+ and PS Now together and improving the overall content library and offerings.
That's in about 3.5 years. SIE has transformed massively under his watch and they're not done yet. It'll be interesting to see what SIE looks like by the end of this gen.
The man knows how to run and grow an organization, and has a lot of talented folks working with him.
- Massive studio expansion of all PlayStation Studios, with some of their larger ones going multi-project
- More acquisitions than ever in SIE's history (Insomniac, Valkyrie, Housemarque, Bluepoint, Bungie, Haven, Firesprite, Savage Game Studio and Nixxes.
- Expansion into PC gaming (several PC titles released so far with several more announced and known via the Nvidia leak)
- Expansion into mobile gaming (not yet announced anything)
- Expansion into esports with the co-acquisition of Evo
- The creation of PlayStation Productions (10+ film and TV projects)
- The push for live service games (10+ by 2025)
- Premium subscription services by merging PS+ and PS Now together and improving the overall content library and offerings.
That's in about 3.5 years. SIE has transformed massively under his watch and they're not done yet. It'll be interesting to see what SIE looks like by the end of this gen.
The man knows how to run and grow an organization, and has a lot of talented folks working with him.
HeisenbergFX4
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The main reason the PS5 is losing to a 4 TF is they could actually buy it.
I know 2 people who were PS4 players who got tired of looking for the PS4 and went with the S
While they are happy with the S they 100% would have stayed team blue if they could have found one and I imagine this played out a lot here in the US
StreetsofBeige
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Great job.
Sales and profits have shot through the roof since he took over. His corporate decisions are great fodder for forums too.
So win win.
Sales and profits have shot through the roof since he took over. His corporate decisions are great fodder for forums too.
So win win.
Sanepar
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Well games on pc and buying new studios was a right move.
But not having showcase, their silence with their community is not a good move.
Ms is doing everything right and we hope next year they finally has a nice flow of great games every year.
Sony is still delivering good games but their poor communication doesn't make any sensr.
But not having showcase, their silence with their community is not a good move.
Ms is doing everything right and we hope next year they finally has a nice flow of great games every year.
Sony is still delivering good games but their poor communication doesn't make any sensr.
SlimySnake
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PS consoles have sold an average of over 100 million consoles every gen. He was in the position to win every contract. He didnt. Before the pandemic. This is 100% on him. It's literally his only job as CEO. To put products on shelves.
vivftp
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Sony is anything but silent. Except for April, we've been getting constant communication and engagement from them practically every week this entire year.
As for the showcase, if it's anything like the past 2 years then their showcase could happen any week now. They had a rock solid third party State of Play in June and purposefully kept their first party out of it. Given the pandemic delays (both for games and announcements) over the past year or two, they should have a massive amount of content to fill out a showcase.
Sosokrates
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Well he knows how to invest Im sure not all of them will be good investments. It seems Sony are wanting to expand there gaming business. This may not be good for sony console purists though.
I honestly dont know how anyone could mess up playstation.
There forumula is not rocket science,
- Make good hardware by putting good people on the job (mark cerny)
- Continue making great games
- Dont do anything dumb
Sosokrates
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Well they have produced more PS5s then series consoles according to most sales sources.
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I do miss sonys big E3 style conferences. I dont want gaming marketing to become sterile and only just direct style productions.
vivftp
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SIE says they've secured the necessary components to pump out 18 million PS5's this FY. They've got ~15 million more to go for the remaining last 3 quarters. PS5's have started to become a lot more readily available these past couple of months and it seems evident that will continue. Rumor has it that they'll be utilizing 6nm manufacturing for the PS5's starting in the second half of this year.
Then if SIE wants to hit their target goal of surpassing the PS4 sales curve next FY they're going to have to ship over 23 million PS5's. If I'm not mistaken I think that would be a new record for SIE, but someone can correct me.
A temporary lull due to worldwide component shortages that affected anyone and everyone isn't something to dump on his head.
vivftp
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They're expanding their entire footprint and the scope of their IP. To do that they need to reach more people which means putting their IP on PC, mobile, film, TV and anywhere else they can. They want general audiences talking about their IP and experiencing it in various forms to grow overall interest in their brand.
Hip Hop
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Is it ever going to be?
vivftp
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E3 2016 is still my GOAT gaming event ever by far, so yeah I would like to see something like that again. That said, the pandemic forced everyones hands over the last couple of years and we're only now starting to see a return to live events. We may see a PSX next year, but I'm iffy on whether they might do a live showcase. Right now their pre-recorded showcases are drawing more viewers than their E3 shows ever did. I guess they'd have to weigh the value in doing a live showcase. At least with PSX it's more of a fan expo, so that warrants doing a live event.
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I wonder if the demand for PS5 will remain so strong, because while the PS5 is a great console which has some very good games compared to other gens I actually think its worse, i was more hyped launch alligned for PS2, PS3 AND PS4 the games were more impressive at the time and there was more of them a lot of the time.
remember_spinal
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Everyone already knows my thoughts. I think he’ll be the one to make sure PlayStation properly transitions into the next stage of gaming.
What PlayStation was doing before online play happened, after that, and where it goes now as online, always connected grows even more popular will be the next step in gaming. He’s preparing PlayStation for the inevitable future.
Alot of older PlayStation fans aren’t gonna like it, at least not at first but they will come to realize Jim Ryan is the hero they deserve.
The market is trending younger as far as time online and money being spent. Older gamers can’t keep up with the amount of spending that occurs in service oriented games.
The older generation had a responsibility to go out and buy games at full price and they dropped the ball. That’s why Nintendo will keep making the games they do. Because their fans buy them at full price, where as PlayStation fans complain about
Prices constantly. Sony as a company are gonna pivot to the consumers who support them the most
What PlayStation was doing before online play happened, after that, and where it goes now as online, always connected grows even more popular will be the next step in gaming. He’s preparing PlayStation for the inevitable future.
Alot of older PlayStation fans aren’t gonna like it, at least not at first but they will come to realize Jim Ryan is the hero they deserve.
The market is trending younger as far as time online and money being spent. Older gamers can’t keep up with the amount of spending that occurs in service oriented games.
The older generation had a responsibility to go out and buy games at full price and they dropped the ball. That’s why Nintendo will keep making the games they do. Because their fans buy them at full price, where as PlayStation fans complain about
Prices constantly. Sony as a company are gonna pivot to the consumers who support them the most
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Pallas
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Personally I don’t think he’s doing great but not terrible either, if there was a third vote in between great and terrible(like decent,good, not bad, etc) I’d pick it.
He’s done sone good things, like the PS play tiers, good IP’s, getting some good third party exclusives(example Stray) but he’s always gonna get knocked for the price increase, especially during a time when economies are reeling and still recovering from Covid, inflation be damned.
I’m not a fan of him not concentrating on niche, diverse titles in the past. I’m assuming he’s leaving that to indies/thrift party studios now though.
I think his PR is kind of dull, compared to others in his spot before him. I get it, it’s probably not something huge for most on here, but stuff like Trenton, House, etc got people excited, laughing.
Hell I miss Kaz as well but he was deemed insane after the PS3.
He’s done sone good things, like the PS play tiers, good IP’s, getting some good third party exclusives(example Stray) but he’s always gonna get knocked for the price increase, especially during a time when economies are reeling and still recovering from Covid, inflation be damned.
I’m not a fan of him not concentrating on niche, diverse titles in the past. I’m assuming he’s leaving that to indies/thrift party studios now though.
I think his PR is kind of dull, compared to others in his spot before him. I get it, it’s probably not something huge for most on here, but stuff like Trenton, House, etc got people excited, laughing.
Hell I miss Kaz as well but he was deemed insane after the PS3.
Brigandier
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The price increase of games was just poor if that was MS they'd get murdered, The lack of communication from him towards the PS community compared to the MS team is quite poor.
The "We believe in generations" comment backfired I'm getting a bit sick of the cross gen shit now but that won't be just him making that decision.
Bringing games to PC is good and only a fanboy would say otherwise, PSVR2 is cool and looks top notch.
Some acquisitions have been excellent.
Overall for me the Jury is still out.
The "We believe in generations" comment backfired I'm getting a bit sick of the cross gen shit now but that won't be just him making that decision.
Bringing games to PC is good and only a fanboy would say otherwise, PSVR2 is cool and looks top notch.
Some acquisitions have been excellent.
Overall for me the Jury is still out.