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[Skifi28]

If anybody here doesn't want their 6000 card, do feel free to send it my way for uh "testing" purposes.

 

[WitchHunter]

Again, the GPU market doesn't "need" AMD if this is how they are going to be. The GPU market needs a company that's actually going to do what it takes to actually compete with Nvidia in a meaningful way, not a company whose GPU division keeps on showing their incompetence.

Current AMD have brought us current Nvidia. Even worse than that, current AMD are even attempting to behave like current Nvidia (in terms of their pricing and arrogance in their PR/Marketing) despite not having the products befitting of their attitude.

Most people do not see AMD GPUs as an option and for good reason, their market share is what they deserve and that will continue to be the case until they improve.

Most rational consumers don't buy products worrying about faux "monopolies", and most rational consumers do not purposefully spend their hard earned cash on inferior products just to "support" some supposed underdog in the hope that one day they will get better. There is nothing unfortunate here, it's all of their own doing.

You know AMD is a big company. What can you deduce from this document?

https://ir.amd.com/news-events/pres...-reports-third-quarter-2022-financial-results

 

[GreatnessRD]

So he's saying all those who updated to the December 7900 series drivers have this problem? I'm on 22.11.2 and everything is gravy train for me. (Reference 6800 XT owner) That would be insane if it turns to be true that the drivers are destroying cards, but I'd like to this its just another bad batch of manufacturing. Since September '22, AMD has been taking some tough L's buddy I tells ya.

 

[ToTTenTranz]

48 cards on one single repair shop means what exactly?
The sample size and the fact that it's very localized makes it seem like the cards belonged to some mining operation that wasn't storing the cards properly.


But today is a wednesday so I guess it's AMD-hating day for all those posters happily shooting broad generalizations about the company.


FWIW, I've been pushing my 6900 with the December drivers on Plague Tale Requiem with zero problems.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

Has JayzTwoCents put out a video speculating on the cause after failing to duplicate the problem yet?

 

[DenchDeckard]

Ouch AMD never catch a break. Shite design?

 

[Silver Wattle]

No one suspicious of how a 3rd party repair shop got an influx of 6000 series cards in a short period of time that are all suffering the same issue and also all not covered under warranty?

This is mining related tampering with the device, the Nvidia bias with many of these comments is pretty Apple like.

 

[GymWolf]

People saying that amd is needed to keep nvidia from going crazy after their recent price politics sound a bit funny now, not gonna lie.

Nvidia is already going crazy if you haven't noticed yet, their price surplus from the past series of gpu or their 4080 12gb debacle can already be considered absolutely fucking crazy and not something you do when you have some decent competition.

Nvidia doesn't consider amd a noticeable rival anymore.

 

[TVexperto]

I remember when people used to say smart things in this very forum. Your right though, things would be so much better with no competition, I mean you RTX card would only be triple the price it is now, good idea.
And I own an RTX card....... yet I can still see this.

you are right, but i just meant in general, same with when samsung made phone about apple removing the headphone jack only to do the same shortly after

 

[Bonfires Down]

Agree that Nvidia is limited more by customers price tolerance than by AMD at this point. Sure, AMD could drop their prices but so could Nvidia and then what would be the point?

Also, AMD is focusing on their CPUs for now so GPUs play second fiddle for them.

 

[64bitmodels]

For the people out there who don’t require the top end of the stack, who want real value out of their money, it’s been tough to beat AMD for a long time.

AMD's midrange offerings are currently some of the best yes but Intel's clearly getting competitive too, their performance is outdoing them in RT and upscaling. It's only a matter of time before they take that from AMD and then what? Worse in the high end, worse in the midrange, what is their market?

Besides if the pricing on the 7900 xt/xtx is any indication the middle of the stack is gonna be midrange but also not have midrange prices. you're gonna be seeing a 650 dollar 7700xt

 

[RoboFu]

Lol if you look at that guys video list you will see he is obviously a doomtuber. But you same 3-4 people who shitted up the 7900 thread are all over this huh.

 

[VN1X]

What kind? My XFX has been running great for over a year.

Its very good in terms of price vs. performance so good for you.

ASUS TUF Gaming RX 6800 XT OC

 

[VN1X]

Lol you are seriously dillisional. If its on youtube it must be true! I bet you think the earth is flat, all the elections were stolen (except for the ones your party), we never went to the moon, an alien shot jfk, all samsung phones are bad, amd is bad. Ok.

On a side note, I once had burn in on an lg TV, so they are all bad, and I once had an lg phone battery swell, so they are all bad too.

Wait... you think we went to the moon?

Yeah with Doge coin maybe, KEKW!

 

[64bitmodels]

Yes it does.

So, you going to step up to the plate, bud? You seem to think it's that easy.

Intel literally did and their first efforts despite the bugs and driver issues are actually looking quite good.

Not to mention every company in the late 90s was trying their hand at this GPU stuff...

Doesn’t AMD make the console gpus? I think we need them,

hence why he said GPU market and not APU market. AMD makes the best x86 APUs full stop and their mobile architecture (as seen with the Steam Deck) is also far ahead of anything Intel and Nvidia could ever produce. Their CPUs are also great value and AM5 looks to be another long lasting generation like AM4. Who was asking AMD to leave entirely here?

we're criticising their GPU market because after the great competitive 6000 series they follow it up with mishap after mishap.

 

[Thebonehead]

Lol if you look at that guys video list you will see he is obviously a doomtuber. But you same 3-4 people who shitted up the 7900 thread are all over this huh.

He's runs a repair shop specialising in Laptops and GPU's. The channel is mainly showing GPU repairs though

Things come to him in a broken state - Not sure how much you want to take from that, but most of the videos I watch have been Nvidia ( perhaps due to market share )

 

[Buggy Loop]

Lol if you look at that guys video list you will see he is obviously a doomtuber. But you same 3-4 people who shitted up the 7900 thread are all over this huh.

The dude is one of the best GPU repair shop around with nearly impossible saves. What the hell are you talking about?

 

[winjer]

The dude is one of the best GPU repair shop around with nearly impossible saves. What the hell are you talking about?

The guy in question has a good reputation.
But the thing is, at this point no one else has seen similar issues.
As far as we know, it could have been a mining farm that dumped a bunch of used GPUs in the town where the guy lives.
This could be more of a cautionary tale about buying used GPUs, than an issue with AMD.

But who knows at this point. Let's wait and see if there are more reports or if this really is a one off event.

 

[ResilientBanana]

Then you haven't been in the PC world long enough. I've only ever had one GPU die on me - a GTX 760. Nvidia had one period where pretty much all their laptop GPU's eventually would go bad. I have a 6900xt so I'll be keeping an eye on this, but without significant reports from all over the world I'll not start worrying just yet.

Lmao fuck off. I did have Radeons at some point and I switched to nVidia when I got a 1080. While I have nothing to prove to an entitled fucking nitwit with a shitty opinion, my first video card after 3DFX was an ATI 3D Rage card, then an 8500, 7770, and now I’m at 1080. My next card will be most likely be an nVidia 4000 or 5000 series. I started building PC’s just after Battlefield 2 came out as I tried to upgrade an HP PC with a PCI video card while only having AGP slots, not knowing much at the time. From there I put together an AMD64 machine with Windows XP 64-bit edition. Since then I’ve built about 50 or 60 PCs because I had a job that required me to build NVR’s. Since then, I’ve build for family and friends.

Now sit the fuck back down.

 

[Buggy Loop]

The guy in question has a good reputation.
But the thing is, at this point no one else has seen similar issues.
As far as we know, it could have been a mining farm that dumped a bunch of used GPUs in the town where the guy lives.
This could be more of a cautionary tale about buying used GPUs, than an issue with AMD.

But who knows at this point. Let's wait and see if there are more reports or if this really is a one off event.

Ok, say it was a mining farm unloading to general public, what about mining would crack a GPU die? Any mining farm worth a damn would

A) Undervolt/lower power draw/underclock to save on electricity
B) keep memory clocked high because from the latest mining craze, memory bandwidth was king (and then wonder why he didn’t buy ampere GDDR6x cards).
C) run 24/7, which you might think is bad, but without cold/warm cycles you would see in consumer grades, It actually helps with silicon stress.

Would be crazy to find these results on mining cards. The r/AMD thread has a few owners with dead GPUs that also updated to latest driver. Even some 5000 series and 580 owners that observed weird erratic behaviours until they undervolt or reverted back to a previous driver version.

I mean, we’ll know more I guess in a matter of 1-2 weeks..

 

[winjer]

Ok, say it was a mining farm unloading to general public, what about mining would crack a GPU die? Any mining farm worth a damn would

A) Undervolt/lower power draw/underclock to save on electricity
B) keep memory clocked high because from the latest mining craze, memory bandwidth was king (and then wonder why he didn’t buy ampere GDDR6x cards).
C) run 24/7, which you might think is bad, but without cold/warm cycles you would sss in consumer grades, It actually helps with silicon stress.

Would be crazy to find these results on mining cards. The r/AMD thread has a few owners with dead GPUs that also updated to latest driver. Even some 5000 series and 580 owners that observed weird erratic behaviours until they undervolt or reverted back to a previous driver version.

I mean, we’ll know more I guess in a matter of 1-2 weeks..

I have seen mining rigs that had no regard to the hardware. With little to no ventilation, no cleanliness.
So even with undervolting, those cards were put through hell and back.

GDDR6 is cooler than GDDR6X. And that's why there have been more reports of RTXs with a couple of broken GDDR6X chips.
Although I don't remember seeing any with cracked GPU dies.

 

[GHG]

You know AMD is a big company. What can you deduce from this document?

https://ir.amd.com/news-events/pres...-reports-third-quarter-2022-financial-results

And that's literally why my expectations are that their GPU division should be doing better instead of towing the "poor little AMD, Nvidia are so evil" bullshit party line that so many here have adopted. They are complicit in the current pricing situation without even having the products to back it up.

It's unfortunate for consumers, surly. Especially the ones with the fried cards. And for those that like technological progress because any rival is better than no rival. Of course consumers don't think about monopolies until the effects of said monopoly start to slap them in the face, which is starting to happen a little now with the 4000 series.

I've always purchased Nvidia myself, but I'm not some blind loyalist that has convinced myself that you can't play games with a Radeon card. The 6000 series prices were even quite good for the performance provided once the discounts hit. The 6600xt kicks the 3060's ass in most games and costs less and that's the class of cards most people are buying anyway. I'd like to see AMD do well, at least better than they have been, in hopes that they could build on that going forward. But, I'd never argue that there isn't a sheep mentality in play and that Nvidia doesn't have a major brand power advantage (they obviously do).

But, again, I never advocated for buying or not buying anything. The Nvidia fanboys just get fired up real easy.

IMO AMD should have been a $100-$200 dollars more aggressive with 7000 series prices, they need to have an advantage in price to performance to have a chance, but I don't work there so there isn't much I can do about it. LOL And for those that don't think AMD makes a difference, that new 4070ti would have been $899 at minimum if the 7900xt didn't exist, that's the benefit of even below average competition (you saved $100). If AMD had been more aggressive you would have saved more. If Nvidia had 70% of the market instead of 90% you wouldn't have been charged more than $699 for it tops.

No, when monopolies happen we pay high prices and get poor products. Only one of those things are true with Nvidia at the moment. Were you not around when AMD were repeatedly shitting the bed with their CPU division and Intel were practically re-releasing their same chips for close to half a decade, all while demanding a brand new platform each time around? Because that's where we end up if AMD continue on their current trajectory in the GPU space.

If current AMD had GPUs that could compete with Nvidia at the top end then they would price them the same as what Nvidia have. The fact that all the new GPUs across both manufacturers scale linearly from a price/performance perspective tells you everything you need to know about what AMD's intentions are.

And of course, like clockwork, you've resorted to calling other people "fanboys". Maybe stop defending companies that are quite clearly doing a shit job and you wouldn't have to keep having the similar discussions.

Doesn’t AMD make the console gpus? I think we need them, but the dedicated card side of AMD does need to step up.

Yes they do, and the knock on effect of all this is that the RT and upscaling technologies in consoles are generations behind where they should be. That will continue to be the case until AMD start doing something differently.

 

[SmokedMeat]

I don't know what it is with this forums obsession of getting behind "competition" (even if said "competition" isn't actually competitive in any way) even if it means opting for a subpar product.

I’m always going to root for AMD and Intel in hope that they’ll give Nvidia a black eye.

Why wouldn’t anyone want to see them succeed given how shitty Nvidia is?

 

[M1chl]

The alternative you seek is actually worse. What kind of message do you think it sends the market if everyone were to knowingly purchase subpar or outright broken products en masse?

If AMD end up leaving the GPU market then it's their fault, not my fault for not buying or supporting their subpar products. They need to either use their resources more effectively or GTFO. This isn't a charity, I'm not in the business of handing over my money for inferior products.

Their resurgence in the CPU space was due to them improving their products, no other reason. When I made the switch from Intel to AMD on the CPU side it was because I was getting the best performance for the money along with a platform that I knew would support future chips (and it's worked out perfectly because I've kept the same motherboard for 3 years and now upgraded to a 5800x3d). If they didn't improve then I would have stuck with Intel, it's pretty simple really.

So yeh, in summary if Nvidia end up with a monopoly then it's not actually their fault, it's not the consumers fault either (again, not our problem, our job is to only hand over money for products that are actually worth it), it's the fault of their competitors for repeatedly shitting the bed.

So people has to be really irresponsible with money, reading what is happening and "yeah we need AMD cards, I am going to buy one". Like dude, these cards are dying just out of EU guaranteed warranty. Does that not seems shady? No Nvidia GPU has ever died on me, but I one time won HD4870 and that card died on me and when it was freebie, then I was said "tough luck". I was so disappointed that sinec that time I only bought Nvidia.

which means it fucking sucks, what we have in consoles.

 

[skneogaf]

Bad times!

 

[GHG]

I’m always going to root for AMD and Intel in hope that they’ll give Nvidia a black eye.

Why wouldn’t anyone want to see them succeed given how shitty Nvidia is?

Everyone was rooting for AMD and Intel, but quite frankly neither of their results are good enough, it's ok to admit that instead of sitting around here like this (quite literally in the case of AMD):

If you want to go a step further and actually purchase a AMD/Intel GPU instead of an Nvidia one then I hope you have the stomach to be able to deal with what will be and not be salty when you see Nvidia users enjoying a largely hassle free experience while also enjoying additional features and performance.

The market share of AMD and Intel will increase when they deserve it and not a second before, markets always self-correct.

 

[Reizo Ryuu]

I hope you have the stomach to be able to deal with what will be and not be salty when you see Nvidia users enjoying a largely hassle free experience

 

[winjer]

Everyone was rooting for AMD and Intel, but quite frankly neither of their results are good enough, it's ok to admit that instead of sitting around here like this (quite literally in the case of AMD):

If you want to go a step further and actually purchase a AMD/Intel GPU instead of an Nvidia one then I hope you have the stomach to be able to deal with what will be and not be salty when you see Nvidia users enjoying a largely hassle free experience while also enjoying additional features and performance.

The market share of AMD and Intel will increase when they deserve it and not a second before, markets always self-correct.

Hassle free?
Just a month ago RTX 4090 and 4080 were having issues with black screens and crashes due to bios. NVidia had to create a tool for users to update their bios with one in working order.
I have a friend that had this issue and had 2 4080s replaced, until he discovered he had to update the BIOS.
Or do you remember when nvidia released a driver where the fans stopped working and cards were getting very hot. Some even got damaged.
Or when cards were burning because of a faulty connector.

I'm constantly impressed at how people remember so well when AMD screws up, but instantly forget when NVidia screws up.

 

[64bitmodels]

OK i've uninstalled the previous drivers using DDU and reinstalled the July 2022 drivers, those were the ones i actually had used when i first bought my 6650 XT and they worked fine
I won't be updating anything until AMD releases a driver update that addresses this issue. But now I've got some peace of mind so yay

Hassle free?
Just a month ago RTX 4090 and 4080 were having issues with black screens and crashes due to bios. NVidia had to create a tool for users to update their bios with one in working order.

That's not in any way comparable to literal cards dying because of a bug in the drivers

 

[winjer]

That's not in any way comparable to literal cards dying because of a bug in the drivers

You are assuming these cards really died because of drivers.
I'm using these drivers for a month with no issues. Temperatures and poser usage is normal.

BTW, do you remember when Geforce 364.72 were bricking GPUs?

 

[GHG]

Hassle free?
Just a month ago RTX 4090 and 4080 were having issues with black screens and crashes due to bios. NVidia had to create a tool for users to update their bios with one in working order.
I have a friend that had this issue and had 2 4080s replaced, until he discovered he had to update the BIOS.
Or do you remember when nvidia released a driver where the fans stopped working and cards were getting very hot. Some even got damaged.
Or when cards were burning because of a faulty connector.

I'm constantly impressed at how people remember so well when AMD screws up, but instantly forget when NVidia screws up.

Hence I said "largely" hassle free. Neither of these companies are perfect, nor will either be in a situation where they get everything right but overall Nvidia currently offer a far more consistent experience if you want to use your GPU across a range of use cases (gaming, VR, enterprise).

Here's the thing as well, when Nvidia have issues then it will mean customers will be more likely to look at alternatives. So when such events come about AMD need to make sure they are in top form in order to be able to take advantage of such situations. They are not in top form at the moment and it's to their own detriment.

When the Nvidia pricing was announced people wanted AMD to step in and offer a viable alternative.

When the power connector issue was creating uncertainty people wanted AMD to step in and offer a viable alternative (not attempt to create memes about it, which has now backfired).

In both recent instances above AMD have disappointed and failed to capitalise, and as such the status quo remains.

BTW, do you remember when Geforce 364.72 were bricking GPUs?

Why are we talking about drivers from 2016? What relevance does that have today?

 

[winjer]

Hence I said "largely" hassle free. Neither of these companies are perfect, nor will either be in a situation where they get everything right but overall Nvidia currently offer a far more consistent experience if you want to use your GPU across a range of use cases (gaming, VR, enterprise).

Here's the thing as well, when Nvidia have issues then it will mean customers will be more likely to look at alternatives. So when such events come about AMD need to make sure they are in top form in order to be able to take advantage of such situations. They are not in top form at the moment and it's to their own detriment.

When the Nvidia pricing was announced people wanted AMD to step in and offer a viable alternative.

When the power connector issue was creating uncertainty people wanted AMD to step in and offer a viable alternative (not attempt to create memes about it, which has now backfired).

In both recent instances above AMD have disappointed and failed to capitalise, and as such the status quo remains.

I agree, today NVidia is in a very strong position. Not only they have better support for upscaling techs an ray-tracing, but they also have better support for developers.
As someone who has used ATI/AMD or NVidia GPUs for close to 25 years, I can remember plenty of times when they were going back and forth with great quality products and pricing.

I agree that AMD lost an opportunity with the RX7000 to change it's own fortunes. Especially at a time when they were down to 6% market share.
AMD really needs to put GPUs in consumers hands, so that developers also optimize for their cards. The issue you spoke some days ago abut VR is mostly due to this.
Is not that AMD has bad drivers. Is that most devs don't have infinite resources for testing and optimizing. And when a GPU brand has such a low market share, it's normal for devs to ignore that brand.
AMD should have priced the 7900XT much more aggressively.

AMD also has a stupid issue, it's marketing department. NVidia and Intel also have a ton of misfires from their PR.
But AMD PR has the issue of constantly trying to poke fun of the competition. Which then leaves them wide open for criticism. That's why I posted the "Stay Safe" twitter post at the start of this thread.
The Fixer is still legendary for how bad and crying worthy it was. It harmed AMD's brand more than anything else NVidia did at the time.
And the worst part is that AMD wasted money to hire a team with actors, camera crew, editors, etc. All costing money, that could be much better used to hire programmers.

Why are we talking about drivers from 2016? What relevance does that have today?

Just another example of how people forget issues with nvidia, but constantly remember issues with AMD.

My issue is not that AMD is having problems. I created a few threads talking about issues with AMD hardware and software.
My issue is that some people have a very unbalanced view of the mistakes that AMD and NVidia make.

 

[Dream-Knife]

it wouldn't change a single fucking thing. AMD would leave, Intel would gain a bit more market share and Nvidia would just keep dominating as per usual. Tell me, what would the consequences of AMD leaving the GPU market be?
The 'only one' for most people already is Nvidia and it's because of incompetence like this from AMD's side. They botched the 7000 series launch by lying to their consumers and having terrible prices. they managed to make the 4080 look good and most importantly, price gouged alongside Nvidia and both are now essentially scamming their consumers with terrible value products. They aren't competing as much as they are colluding. they're NOT competition. They're filler. Just like Xbox.

Consoles would be in trouble.

 

[M1chl]

Hassle free?
Just a month ago RTX 4090 and 4080 were having issues with black screens and crashes due to bios. NVidia had to create a tool for users to update their bios with one in working order.
I have a friend that had this issue and had 2 4080s replaced, until he discovered he had to update the BIOS.
Or do you remember when nvidia released a driver where the fans stopped working and cards were getting very hot. Some even got damaged.
Or when cards were burning because of a faulty connector.

I'm constantly impressed at how people remember so well when AMD screws up, but instantly forget when NVidia screws up.

BIOS is supplied by OEM, not by nVidia itself as it also controls fans and so on. Nvidia Bios tool has been available for a long time. Obviously faulty bios sucks, however this is more like early adopter thing. And it is like one flash and done.

The difference is that just a few cards are done by Nvidia themselves, but on AMD side, majority of the cards are done by AMD, so it's you know, easier. There is no such situation like dying Radeon VII on Nvidia side.

radeon VII dying - Google

 

[winjer]

BIOS is supplied by OEM, not by nVidia itself as it also controls fans and so on. Nvidia Bios tool has been available for a long time. Obviously faulty bios sucks, however this is more like early adopter thing. And it is like one flash and done.

The difference is that just a few cards are done by Nvidia themselves, but on AMD side, majority of the cards are done by AMD, so it's you know, easier. There is no such situation like dying Radeon VII on Nvidia side.

radeon VII dying - Google

BIOS are created by AMD, Intel and NVidia respectively. Then supplied to AIBs for integration with their products.
So if there is a BIOS issue, the fault is most likely with NVidia or AMD, not the AIBs.
Case in point, recently AMD released a new BIOS version for Zen4. AIBs integrated it into their motherboards.
And sometime later someone found out that this bios had issues with a small number of 7600X, because some have 2CCX and the bios didn't recognize it.
It was NVidia's fault for making a BIOS for the RTX4080/4090 with bugs. And it's also the fault of AMD for making a BIOS with bugs for Zen4.

What do you mean cards made by AMD or NVidia? Both companies are fabless. They don't make chips, PCBs, VRM's, coolers, etc.
Both hire third parties to supply the parts, then hire companies to build the cards. And both companies have reference designs and have AIBs that make both reference and custom designs.
And in both cases, custom cards sell more than reference models.
Even the cooler with the vapor chamber that affects some reference 7000 cards, were not made by AMD. They were sourced to PC Partner, a company that specializes on this.
And this company is the one responsible for manufacturing and Q&A.
The same goes for the power cables and adapters in the RTX4000. Everyone was talking about NVidia. But NVidia doesn't make those. They hire companies for production.

 

[DaGwaphics]

And of course, like clockwork, you've resorted to calling other people "fanboys". Maybe stop defending companies that are quite clearly doing a shit job and you wouldn't have to keep having the similar discussions.

If you read your own posts in this thread you'd come to the same conclusion. LOL

Keep in mind that I never even defended AMD, just said I find their miscues "unfortunate".

I don't necessarily agree that it makes a difference if they compete at the high-end, because while those cards are the most profitable, they aren't particularly relevant overall. The bottom of the stack is what matters, that's what the majority of consumers are buying. AMD can certainly compete there (as is Intel) even if the transistor counts are unusually high. They just have to break away from Nvidia's pricing and really try to give buyers a product so compelling it overpowers the brand loyalty in place for Nvidia (no small task but possible with the right price | performance combination).

They need to get back to making the entry-mid level their primary focus as they did with the 480/580, those and the 5700XT were the last cards they were really able to sell. Trying to mirror Nvidia's entire strategy doesn't work for them at all.

 

[64bitmodels]

Consoles would be in trouble.

I was referring to the dedicated GPU market. AMD's solutions work well for consoles

 

[winjer]

GPU repair service reports a sudden wave of defective Radeon RX 6900/6800 GPUs | igor´sLAB

KrisFix, a professional graphics card repair service, claims that out of 60 Radeon RX 6900/6800 cards recently sent to the service, 48 had the same defect. A defect that makes them beyond repair.

www.igorslab.de

Update: KrisFix has posted the top photos of the card shown in the video. The GPU of the card has visible cracks in the chip. Such defects are not related to the driver.

 

[M1chl]

BIOS are created by AMD, Intel and NVidia respectively. Then supplied to AIBs for integration with their products.
So if there is a BIOS issue, the fault is most likely with NVidia or AMD, not the AIBs.
Case in point, recently AMD released a new BIOS version for Zen4. AIBs integrated it into their motherboards.
And sometime later someone found out that this bios had issues with a small number of 7600X, because some have 2CCX and the bios didn't recognize it.
It was NVidia's fault for making a BIOS for the RTX4080/4090 with bugs. And it's also the fault of AMD for making a BIOS with bugs for Zen4.

What do you mean cards made by AMD or NVidia? Both companies are fabless. They don't make chips, PCBs, VRM's, coolers, etc.
Both hire third parties to supply the parts, then hire companies to build the cards. And both companies have reference designs and have AIBs that make both reference and custom designs.
And in both cases, custom cards sell more than reference models.
Even the cooler with the vapor chamber that affects some reference 7000 cards, were not made by AMD. They were sourced to PC Partner, a company that specializes on this.
And this company is the one responsible for manufacturing and Q&A.
The same goes for the power cables and adapters in the RTX4000. Everyone was talking about NVidia. But NVidia doesn't make those. They hire companies for production.

Nvidia RTX 4080 and 4090 GPUs get a fix for nasty blank screen issue on boot | TechRadar

Here is the link to that bios issue, does not seems like it is as widespread as you make it sound, it also have official solution, which is also really simple to do. Nothing major like card dying.

Yes they are both fabless, but minority of the cards are with Nvidia sticker, while majority of Radeons is with AMD sticker. It does not matter who is building the product when you have your name on it, it is your responsibility. By the way, early RTX2XXX Founders Edition with Micron memory are dying, even if it's Micron fault, it is still Nvidia responsibility. I believe there is some extended warranty on that, at least here. Those who made "founders edition" have responsibility to Nvidia/AMD, but for the customer, it does not matter who actually build it, when it has company logo on it.

Sure you can buy Radeon from something like Sapphire, which most likely be better card, but the problem is that then you are not saving much as oppose to buying Nvidia card from some AIB. All in all, when cards are dropping dead after 2 years, when you are just out of warranty is scummy as fuck.

 

[Buggy Loop]

Hassle free?
Just a month ago RTX 4090 and 4080 were having issues with black screens and crashes due to bios. NVidia had to create a tool for users to update their bios with one in working order.
I have a friend that had this issue and had 2 4080s replaced, until he discovered he had to update the BIOS.
Or do you remember when nvidia released a driver where the fans stopped working and cards were getting very hot. Some even got damaged.
Or when cards were burning because of a faulty connector.

I'm constantly impressed at how people remember so well when AMD screws up, but instantly forget when NVidia screws up.

I mean, do we go back to GTX 400 series driver problems while we’re at it?

At least the black screen was fixed very rapidly. A quick look on r/AMD for that kind of issues and you have the 5700XT that was plagued by it for years until a fix, and the problem even crept back on 6000 series recently.

Nobody is saying Nvidia is perfect, that’s almost an impossible task on PC with that kind of tech, but they answer fast, they RMA fast (at least recent issues) and when they did not answer properly, they were rightfully sued.

But the boat has not been rocked hard since pascal series. Pascal/Turing/Ampere/Ada are relatively “largely hassle free” like GHG said.

Thing is that even if Nvidia would majorly fuck it up, at 85% market share that would only be an healthy drop. Dropping the ball at 10% though.. I mean yea, everyone would hope that AMD would home run it, so far it’s not impressive.

 

[winjer]

Nvidia RTX 4080 and 4090 GPUs get a fix for nasty blank screen issue on boot | TechRadar

Here is the link to that bios issue, does not seems like it is as widespread as you make it sound, it also have official solution, which is also really simple to do. Nothing major like card dying.

Again, just examples of how both companies can screw up sometimes.
I agree that AMD has a few more issues. But it's not like NVidia has none, like some pretend in so many threads.

BTW, did you see the update on Igor's Lab where they ruled out drivers issue?

Yes they are both fabless, but minority of the cards are with Nvidia sticker, while majority of Radeons is with AMD sticker. It does not matter who is building the product when you have your name on it, it is your responsibility. By the way, early RTX2XXX Founders Edition with Micron memory are dying, even if it's Micron fault, it is still Nvidia responsibility. I believe there is some extended warranty on that, at least here. Those who made "founders edition" have responsibility to Nvidia/AMD, but for the customer, it does not matter who actually build it, when it has company logo on it.

The stickers matter nothing. All NVidia cards have the RTX, Geforce and naming on the box, manuals and sometimes even o the GPU. The same on AMD side.
If that card was sold by AMD or NVidia, it's AMD or NVidia that have to take them in and solve the issue for the costumer. If it's a card made by an AIB, then it's that AIB that has to take care of the RMA process. not NVidia or AMD, or Intel.

If NVidia cards are dying because of Micron memory, and that memory is still under contract warranty, then Micro is liable for it.
NVidia and the AIBs might have to take care of the recall and repair. But then they will charge Micron for it.

Sure you can buy Radeon from something like Sapphire, which most likely be better card, but the problem is that then you are not saving much as oppose to buying Nvidia card from some AIB. All in all, when cards are dropping dead after 2 years, when you are just out of warranty is scummy as fuck.

Cards with custom coolers and PCBs will always have a premium over the reference models. Regardless of who is the original IC manufacturer or who is the AIB.

Warranty in the EU is 3 years. RDNA2 was released 2 years ago.
So they are all under warranty, unless some tampering was done to them that voids warranty.

 

[//DEVIL//]

No, when monopolies happen we pay high prices and get poor products. Only one of those things are true with Nvidia at the moment. Were you not around when AMD were repeatedly shitting the bed with their CPU division and Intel were practically re-releasing their same chips for close to half a decade, all while demanding a brand new platform each time around? Because that's where we end up if AMD continue on their current trajectory in the GPU space.

what the fuck are you smocking?

aside from the 4090 which is not a bad product but a high price, everything else released after the 3080 is a completely in the " high price and poor product. "

3080 ti/ 3090 / 3090 ti/ 4080 / 4070 ti ( to a degree ).

and monopoly isn't paying high and getting a poor product. monopoly is when you own all the market for yourself and price shit whatever you want regardless if it's a marginal profit or 500% profit. that is EXACTLY what Nvidia is doing.

Even Apple doesn't do that shit with their Iphones or mac having the same price almost every year for their newer product.

what a weird logic.

 

[M1chl]

Again, just examples of how both companies can screw up sometimes.
I agree that AMD has a few more issues. But it's not like NVidia has none, like some pretend in so many threads.

BTW, did you see the update on Igor's Lab where they ruled out drivers issue?



The stickers matter nothing. All NVidia cards have the RTX, Geforce and naming on the box, manuals and sometimes even o the GPU. The same on AMD side.
If that card was sold by AMD or NVidia, it's AMD or NVidia that have to take them in and solve the issue for the costumer. If it's a card made by an AIB, then it's that AIB that has to take care of the RMA process. not NVidia or AMD, or Intel.

If NVidia cards are dying because of Micron memory, and that memory is still under contract warranty, then Micro is liable for it.
NVidia and the AIBs might have to take care of the recall and repair. But then they will charge Micron for it.



Cards with custom coolers and PCBs will always have a premium over the reference models. Regardless of who is the original IC manufacturer or who is the AIB.

Warranty in the EU is 3 years. RDNA2 was released 2 years ago.
So they are all under warranty, unless some tampering was done to them that voids warranty.

Wait, it was 2 years last time I've checked. Other parts, I will react to later, because my work need me fully present.

 

[winjer]

I mean, do we go back to GTX 400 series driver problems while we’re at it?

The 364.72 drivers that were bricking GPUs, were from the Pascal era. Not Fermi.

Nobody is saying Nvidia is perfect, that’s almost an impossible task on PC with that kind of tech, but they answer fast, they RMA fast (at least recent issues) and when they did not answer properly, they were rightfully sued.

But the boat has not been rocked hard since pascal series. Pascal/Turing/Ampere/Ada are relatively “largely hassle free” like GHG said.

Thing is that even if Nvidia would majorly fuck it up, at 85% market share that would only be an healthy drop. Dropping the ball at 10% though.. I mean yea, everyone would hope that AMD would home run it, so far it’s not impressive.

There is not a single thread here where you have a balanced opinion about NVidia and AMD.
You are constantly overblowing the issues with AMD. And underplaying the issues with NVidia.
of all t6he people on this forum, you are the one with the least balanced position.

 

[KungFucius]

That's unfortunate. Hopefully it isn't a widespread thing. This is why you don't auto-update drivers and wait a bit before jumping on anything.

The GPU market needs AMD, their current reputation isn't the best as it is.

So blame the user right? FFS we should be perfectly fine updating to a new driver instead of waiting for a review. No way in fuck am I going to micromanage drivers. If there is an update and I don't mind rebooting I am going to update. Never in my nearly 30 years of PC gaming have I hit a catastrophic failure from upgrading to a released driver. But shit since it happened once to a few people I guess I need to modify my behavior as does every other PC gamer on the planet. Yeah great advice/ finger pointing.

 

[GymWolf]

Hassle free?
Just a month ago RTX 4090 and 4080 were having issues with black screens and crashes due to bios. NVidia had to create a tool for users to update their bios with one in working order.
I have a friend that had this issue and had 2 4080s replaced, until he discovered he had to update the BIOS.
Or do you remember when nvidia released a driver where the fans stopped working and cards were getting very hot. Some even got damaged.
Or when cards were burning because of a faulty connector.

I'm constantly impressed at how people remember so well when AMD screws up, but instantly forget when NVidia screws up.

I'm fucking sorry??!

Link to this tool? Is it easy to use?

 

[winjer]

Wait, it was 2 years last time I've checked. Other parts, I will react to later, because my work need me fully present.

Sorry, I misspoke. It was 2 years.
Some EU members passed laws that make a 3 year warranty. But they entered in effect in the 1st Jan 2022.

 

[Buggy Loop]

The 364.72 drivers that were bricking GPUs, were from the Pascal era. Not Fermi.



There is not a single thread here where you have a balanced opinion about NVidia and AMD.
You are constantly overblowing the issues with AMD. And underplaying the issues with NVidia.
of all t6he people on this forum, you are the one with the least balanced position.

Because i don't let stupid rumours inflate the hype train for AMD camp? There's no equivalent of that on Nvidia side, i can't think of a single "MLID" equivalent.

Look in my posts, how many fucking times i recommend 6000 series lately over whatever this fucked up gen is?

I pointed that the Ada "meltdown" connecters seemed to point to user error and got jumped on by AMD fans... until Gamers Nexus confirmed the same thing..

I don't even have to do anything to damage AMD, speculating fanboys with 4Ghz, multi GCD, Nvidia killer talk are doing all the damage themselves. I'm trying to bring them down to earth. I was ATI/AMD from mach series until pascal 1060. So really, do tell me how you really feel about my posts. You keep bringing up my name as if i'm antagonizing you personally, really, you're on a forum, if you want an echo chamber of AMD fans jerking each others off, you're better off to go somewhere else, but even r/AMD is less delusional than you and probably even MORE critical of AMD than i am. Hell i've never owned an intel CPU, i've been AMD even through the shit gens like Phenom II. Don't give me this crap.

 

[winjer]

Because i don't let stupid rumours inflate the hype train for AMD camp? There's no equivalent of that on Nvidia side, i can't think of a single "MLID" equivalent.

Does anyone, but the dumbest fanboys, even care about MLID?
I have seen you talk more about him, than any other member on this forum. As if he represents AMD or something.
The guy is a loser, constantly making stuff up for click bait.
I also frequent Guru3d, a forum focused on tech. Rarely does anyone post anything about him, because he is a joke.
And when someone does. People just ask why are you posting this crap.

Look in my posts, how many fucking times i recommend 6000 series lately over whatever this fucked up gen is?

I pointed that the Ada "meltdown" connecters seemed to point to user error and got jumped on by AMD fans... until Gamers Nexus confirmed the same thing..

I don't even have to do anything to damage AMD, speculating fanboys with 4Ghz, multi GCD, Nvidia killer talk are doing all the damage themselves. I'm trying to bring them down to earth. I was ATI/AMD from mach series until pascal 1060. So really, do tell me how you really feel about my posts. You keep bringing up my name as if i'm antagonizing you personally, really, you're on a forum, if you want an echo chamber of AMD fans jerking each others off, you're better off to go somewhere else, but even r/AMD is less delusional than you and probably even MORE critical of AMD than i am.

I keep pointing out how much of a biased opinion you have of AMD and NVidia. And I'm not the only one.
And every time someone points you out, you claim some unforgiveable offense by some AMD fanboys, as justification to trash the company.
Let me tell you a secret. Fanboys don't represent a company. Neither from NVidia, AMD, Intel, Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo or any other company.

 

[winjer]

I'm fucking sorry??!

Link to this tool? Is it easy to use?

NVIDIA Support

nvidia.custhelp.com

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