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Ampere Analysis - Games console hardware 2021: End of year shortages bite! 02/16/2022

Papacheeks

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Console sell-through volume increased 2% year-on-year to 48 million units

Sales volume of games consoles to consumers increased in 2021 driven by newly released devices from all three manufacturers, but volume growth was significantly hampered by weak availability of Sony PlayStation 5, Microsoft Xbox Series X and Nintendo Switch OLED devices during the last two months of the year. Shortages are continuing into 2022 and although there is optimism that component availability and supply chain efficiency will improve later in the year the situation remains unpredictable.

Switch OLED drives upgrades and new users

Now that Switch sales have reached 100 million units, Nintendo has outlined the next phase of its Switch sales strategy, which is converting existing Switch households into multi-Switch owning households. The release of the Switch OLED supports this strategy by prompting original Switch flagship owners to upgrade and by offering enhancements, such as a bigger screen and better screen legibility, that are attractive to older demographics. This strategy will also be supported by upcoming games such as Nintendo Switch Sports which hopes to emulate some of the appeal delivered by the hugely successful Wii Sports.

PS5 falls behind PS4 due to Q4 supply constraints

Sony ended 2021 with PS5 cumulative sell-through reaching 17 million units, around 1.6 times the performance of Xbox Series sales. At this early stage the global sales momentum is with Sony, but it will be frustrated that its potential has been undermined by product availability.

The monumental effort made to overcome supply chain challenges for the first full year of the PS5’s lifecycle hit a brick wall in the last two months of 2021. Lower than expected sales, particularly in December, means that PS5 sales performance has fallen behind the previous generation PS4. It is unlikely that this course will be corrected until at least later in 2022, but more likely into 2023, and will depend on what is an unpredictable component supply chain environment.

While Sony will be relatively satisfied by its performance versus its nearest competitor, it will be aware that performance in the console market is very dependent on sales momentum. Anything that undermines that momentum is not welcome.

Xbox Series S comes to the rescue

Microsoft ended 2021 with its Xbox Series family of devices reaching cumulative sell-through of 10.5 million units. This is on a par with the previous generation Xbox One cycle. In a similar way to Sony with the PS5, Microsoft has suffered substantial shortages to its high-end Series X device, undermining its potential in the market to an extent. Microsoft has also used Series X components to upgrade its cloud gaming servers, putting additional pressure on consumer availability of its flagship console.

Microsoft has managed to partially mitigate Series X shortages with its dual product strategy. The cheaper, less powerful Xbox Series S has experienced much better availability and alongside Xbox Game Pass, has driven unprecedented adoption of this digital-only device. Ampere estimates that cumulative sell-through for Series S was ahead of Series X at the end of 2021.









**UPDATE**

From VGC Article:

Earlier this month, Sony said it had shipped 17.3 million PS5 consoles to retailers by the end of December. And Ampere research director Piers Harding-Rolls thinks almost all of those units made their way into consumers’ hands last year.

“Sony ended 2021 with PS5 cumulative sell-through reaching 17.1 million units, around 1.7 times the performance of Xbox Series sales,” the analyst said in a research note this week.

“At this early stage the global sales momentum is with Sony, but it will be frustrated that its potential has been undermined by product availability.”

Xbox Series X/S systems continue to sell faster than any previous generation of Microsoft consoles, according to the company’s gaming boss Phil Spencer.

However, unlike its competitors, Microsoft doesn’t publicly disclose Xbox hardware shipment figures with its quarterly financial results.

Previously, Niko Partners senior analyst Daniel Ahmad estimated that Xbox Series X/S shipments topped 12 million by the end of 2021, but Harding-Rolls believes the platform’s actual sold-to-consumers installed base was significantly lower than that.

“Microsoft ended 2021 with its Xbox Series family of devices reaching cumulative sell-through of 10.3 million units,” he estimated. “This is on a par with the previous generation Xbox One cycle.”

Harding-Rolls said substantial Xbox Series X shortages last year were partially offset by greater availability of the Series S console.

“The cheaper, less powerful Xbox Series S has experienced much better availability and alongside Xbox Game Pass, has driven unprecedented adoption of this digital-only device. Ampere estimates that cumulative sell-through for Series S was ahead of Series X at the end of 2021.”

 
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demigod

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Yup, I knew Zhuge's numbers were bs and it was only "shipped". Showing shipped numbers meanwhile PS5 numbers are all shipped and sold thru to consumers, pretty disingenuous. There's a ton of series s stock in the states and worldwide. The gap will get bigger this year.
 

Papacheeks

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Yup, I knew Zhuge's numbers were bs and it was only "shipped". Showing shipped numbers meanwhile PS5 numbers are all shipped and sold thru to consumers, pretty disingenuous. There's a ton of series s stock in the states and worldwide. The gap will get bigger this year.

I mean to be fair this is still a estimate based on data AMpere has access too. It's in the same ballpark as other firms.

But Ampere is pretty well known. I mean VGC is now reporting this as well:

 
I wonder how the market would react if most Xbox users have a Series S, as this report suggests. How would the average consumer view the competition between the hardware? PS5 vs. Series S is no competition at all.

Will that change the market perception about the console quality/power as compared to PS5, especially when the average consumer views games like Horizon Forbidden West? How will that affect developers trying to optimize PS5 vs. Xbox versions?

That is very interesting, and I'm looking forward to seeing how the market would react to this very unique thing (the existence of a Series S type console) that, as consumers, we have never seen before.
 

NickFire

Member
From the article:

"Ampere estimates that cumulative sell-through for Series S was ahead of Series X at the end of 2021."

If the total sold was 10.5, that would put Series X below 5.25 right? Which would mean a 3+ to 1 ratio in terms of the higher end machines, right? Am I missing something? I never expected splits like that so soon.
 

Papacheeks

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I'm sure Sony could have sold 35-40 million PS5s if they had the stock. What bad timing of the pandemic and supply chain issues for them.

You wonder if the new venture they are doing with Japan government for chip fabrication becomes something they invest more into in the future? Specifically if their AI and car stuff takes off? Cause relying on Taiwan is not a smart option right now.

From the article:

"Ampere estimates that cumulative sell-through for Series S was ahead of Series X at the end of 2021."

If the total sold was 10.5, that would put Series X below 5.25 right? Which would mean a 3+ to 1 ratio in terms of the higher end machines, right? Am I missing something? I never expected splits like that so soon.

That has more to do with Build components and chip size though. They were able to make more series s, and there for was the most abundant xbox console. If they made more series X they totally would have sold every one of them. Its similar issue sony has with build materials because PS5 is so custom.
 
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Papacheeks

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man, if there wasn’t a chip shortage, could of seen 35-40 million ps5’s shipped already

I think you would still have issues with components. They use liquid metal, a specialized copper/nickel heatsink they had to change just last year. But they could be over 30 million easily by end of 2022 if there wasn't chip issues.
 

NickFire

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That has more to do with Build components and chip size though. They were able to make more series s, and there for was the most abundant xbox console. If they made more series X they totally would have sold every one of them. Its similar issue sony has with build materials because PS5 is so custom.
I tend to believe what you wrote. But that argument applies as much, and probably more to PS5 than Series X if I'm being honest. Regardless, I do not understand why and how MS didn't use the power of being a 3T company to bump themselves up the manufacturing line a little better for Series X. It's very hard to change first impressions, especially when there are 3-4 PS5's making an impression compared to every Series X. This is just really weird to me. They have gone above and beyond trying to woo the enthusiast crowd on all aspects except manufacturing the consoles the enthusiasts are most interested in.
 

NickFire

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I looked up the GP growth since Series S/X launched. I think it went up fairly close to the same number of hardware units sold. I know that a lot of people who already had GP are included in those purchases. Even factoring that in, I still think its fair to look at the S as very successful for growing GP on Xbox. Conversely, since I would assume a lot of existing GP subscribers upgraded to an S/X, I also think its fair to wonder how much we can read into Phil's new title. Specifically, how close are the splits between PC and Xbox with respect to GP usage?
 
I'm sure Sony could have sold 35-40 million PS5s if they had the stock. What bad timing of the pandemic and supply chain issues for them.

man, if there wasn’t a chip shortage, could of seen 35-40 million ps5’s shipped already

35-40 millions?!?!? ....nah, that's extremely unlikely, in all console history, none ever reached 35 millions sale in one year, not even PS2 or NDS.....and only once NDS surpassed 30 millions sale in one year
 

kingfey

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Yup, I knew Zhuge's numbers were bs and it was only "shipped". Showing shipped numbers meanwhile PS5 numbers are all shipped and sold thru to consumers, pretty disingenuous. There's a ton of series s stock in the states and worldwide. The gap will get bigger this year.
Not really. The gap was 2:1, and now its 1.7:1. The gap would decrease, as more xss is being made in the process.

From the earlier reports, we knew that Sony had 2 times of MS wafer. Which means, the gap should have been 2:1, yet its 1.7:1.

Once the xss production increases, the gap should get smaller.
 
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Fredrik

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Xbox seems low? Weren’t there higher figures posted by someone else months ago? And PS seems low as well, thought it was near 20m now. Well, Switch is still a beast at least.
 

kingfey

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I wonder how the market would react if most Xbox users have a Series S, as this report suggests. How would the average consumer view the competition between the hardware? PS5 vs. Series S is no competition at all.

Will that change the market perception about the console quality/power as compared to PS5, especially when the average consumer views games like Horizon Forbidden West? How will that affect developers trying to optimize PS5 vs. Xbox versions?

That is very interesting, and I'm looking forward to seeing how the market would react to this very unique thing (the existence of a Series S type console) that, as consumers, we have never seen before.
The average gamers dont care about graphics, as they are more in to gta, Minecraft and other normal games. Only hardcore cares about graphics.

XSS is for these normal gamers.
 

kingfey

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Xbox seems low? Weren’t there higher figures posted by someone else months ago? And PS seems low as well, thought it was near 20m now. Well, Switch is still a beast at least.
Its estimate. We still dont have the real numbers, unlike the ps5 and switch.
 

Fredrik

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Not really. The gap was 2:1, and now its 1.7:1. The gap would decrease, as more xss is being made in the process.

From the earlier reports, we knew that Sony had 2 times of MS wafer. Which means, the gap should have been 2:1, yet its 1.7:1.

Once the xss production increases, the gap should get smaller.
In my country XSS is readily available in stores so forgive me if I doubt that the sellthrough figures will improve much with increased production.
XSX on the other hand… Haven’t even once seen it on a shelf. Same as PS5.
 

kingfey

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In my country XSS is readily available in stores so forgive me if I doubt that the sellthrough figures will improve much with increased production.
XSX on the other hand… Haven’t even once seen it on a shelf. Same as PS5.
the XSX and PS5 are the same, which means they have the same supply constrain. Unlike the XSS, which is easy to make. The specs is weaker, compared to the other 2.

Its why XSS is available everywhere. Faster production, less stock issues, unlike PS5 and XSX.
 

demigod

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Not really. The gap was 2:1, and now its 1.7:1. The gap would decrease, as more xss is being made in the process.

From the earlier reports, we knew that Sony had 2 times of MS wafer. Which means, the gap should have been 2:1, yet its 1.7:1.

Once the xss production increases, the gap should get smaller.
I wasn’t talking about ratio. PS5 will be 10m+ ahead by the end of the year.

The holidays are over, there’s a ton of series s stock now which made up the majority of the series consoles. What game is coming out before the holidays for series that’s going to boost the console sales?
 

Fredrik

Gold Member
Its estimate. We still dont have the real numbers, unlike the ps5 and switch.
Estimates based on real data from select stores? How many stores? From how many countries? How do they actually do this?

And how can anyone have real sell-through numbers from the whole world? Is Nintendo getting an update ”1 Switch sold!” when I walk into a store in northern Sweden and buy a console? 🤔
 

kingfey

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I wasn’t talking about ratio. PS5 will be 10m+ ahead by the end of the year.

The holidays are over, there’s a ton of series s stock now which made up the majority of the series consoles. What game is coming out before the holidays for series that’s going to boost the console sales?
Games have nothing to do with production. They only affect sales. Plus you dont need 1st party games to buy these consoles. Majority are 3rd party users.

Both consoles are in huge demand right now. You still have to satisfy those people first. They need to pick up the production first. January was shit drop for all consoles.
 

demigod

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Games have nothing to do with production. They only affect sales. Plus you dont need 1st party games to buy these consoles. Majority are 3rd party users.

Both consoles are in huge demand right now. You still have to satisfy those people first. They need to pick up the production first. January was shit drop for all consoles.
If you don’t need 1st party games to sell consoles, then why did the xbox one do so bad compared to ps4 and switch? Oh right it’s because those consoles have exclusives that people want to play.

There is no xss production issues. It’s available EVERYWHERE in the states since September. It only did good numbers due to the holidays. You can get it anywhere right now.

Edit: I should add, 3rd party exclusive helps too. What 3rd party exclusive does xbox even have thats coming out soon?
 
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Robb

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These shortages must really suck for Sony and MS, they’d probably be able to sell twice the current amount if they were able to produce more.
 

TBiddy

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If you don’t need 1st party games to sell consoles, then why did the xbox one do so bad compared to ps4 and switch? Oh right it’s because those consoles have exclusives that people want to play.

I know you know this, but maybe you forgot it. Brand loyalty is a thing as well. Narrowing the difference in sales down to a single focus point is wrong, since there are a lot of other factors in play. As mentioned before, brand loyalty ie. If you've gamed on your Playstation for 8 years, you're not likely to switch, unless you've had a bad experience. If your friends are all on Playstation, you're not going to switch and leave that behind. And then we're not even talking about peoples tendency to be influenced by advertising, both online and offline.

Exclusives matter, of course, but pointing at that as the only reason Playstation is beating Xbox is.. well, silly.

Also, how did Ampere Analysis even arrive at these numbers?
 
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Thirty7ven

Sony make cringe trainers.
Xbox seems low? Weren’t there higher figures posted by someone else months ago? And PS seems low as well, thought it was near 20m now. Well, Switch is still a beast at least.

I don’t know on what kind of estimates Twitter guy was working with, but I’m thinking the pitch was that all stock had been sold for Series, when that wasn’t true.

Series S is always available, so how can that be possible? Sometimes I check online stores and S is either available now or available in two days. Sometimes Series X is listed as “two weeks time”, PS5 is never listed because shipments cant keep up with pre orders.

Either Series S isn’t selling out or MS is producing an incredible amount of Series S, which isn’t happening because they would be ahead of PS5 then.

Switch is a beast.

Its why XSS is available everywhere. Faster production, less stock issues, unlike PS5 and XSX.

Let’s just call it what it is, a lot less demand.
 
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Thirty7ven

Sony make cringe trainers.
Less demand means low production.

You dont produce a product alot, if there is no demand for it.

You don’t know what the fuck you’re talking about.

Basically you are under the impression that MS can produce as many series S as they want. Hello? They can’t.

Lower demand doesn’t mean low demand either.

And if your pitch is that demand for Series S is as high as series X or PS5, and MS can produce more Series S than either, then why are we talking about 18 million consoles vs 10 million consoles?

Shouldn’t Series be ahead of PS5? By your logic I mean.

It’s dumb. And no producing a Series S isn’t just cutting a Series X in half, different board, different memory config different chip.

If it were possible for MS to turn back time and stop Series S from existing, they would have a lot less consoles on the market.

MS isn’t producing “a lot” of anything. Nintendo produces a lot of Switch OLED and you still can’t find one.
 
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kingfey

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If you don’t need 1st party games to sell consoles, then why did the xbox one do so bad compared to ps4 and switch? Oh right it’s because those consoles have exclusives that people want to play.
The Xbox one was going neck to neck in the 1st 2 years. Then dipped after that.
It wasn't just games that affected the sales, but the expensive price, and e3 blow.
But production wise it kept going for these 2 years. It's after these 2 years, that xbox one went downhill.
Xsx/XSS don't have that issue. Mainly because gamepass. But also, because there are 55m people who want xbox consoles.

As for the exclusive part, it was already laid out on the map. What you are arguing is the current drop, which will increase the sales. But production wise, it will not affect it.


There is no xss production issues. It’s available EVERYWHERE in the states since September. It only did good numbers due to the holidays. You can get it anywhere right now.
Its because is easy to produce. Unlike Xsx and Ps5, the Xss is fast to produce. Which the reason why you see it everywhere. The latter have stock issues. They are in limited quantities. And they sold fast, because those numbers are low.

Do you think xbox would sell 10.5m despite chip shortages, and having half of ps5 wafers that fast? The xsx uses the same wafer as ps5.
Xbox should have been around 7m, not 10.5m.


Edit: I should add, 3rd party exclusive helps too. What 3rd party exclusive does xbox even have thats coming out soon?
Elden ring, dying light 2. Are those not coming to xbox? Does call of duty not exist on xbox?

You should know this already.
Ps4 with 120m sales, and 111 mau had 20m highest selling exclusive game. Meaning the rest of 90m users didn't buy those games.
These are the people who will buy the console, for these 3rd party games.

As TBiddy TBiddy said, people want to play with their friends, or have brand loyalty. They will buy those games, regardless of exclusive that is dropping these months.
 

kingfey

Banned
Basically you are under the impression that MS can produce as many series S as they want. Hello? They can’t.
You dont close 2:1 lead that fast, without faster production. The xss is faster to produce compared to xsx.


Lower demand doesn’t mean low demand either.
You dont make a lot of product of that item, if the demand is low. We seen that with xbox one. Or else, MS would have produced alot of xbox one already.


And if your pitch is that demand for Series S is as high as series X or PS5, and MS can produce more Series S than either, then why are we talking about 18 million consoles vs 10 million consoles?
Because there is chip shortages. As long as that one exists, there is a limit to how much they can make.
Its faster to produce, but its also has the chip issues like ps5 and xsx.

MS should have 7m, not 10.5m without the xss. Yet they don't. Because xss overcomes the low wafer barrier.


Shouldn’t Series be ahead of PS5? By your logic I mean.
It will in the future, once the production ramps up. You have seen the switch. It sold 100m in just 5 years. Low price+fast to produce. That is what xss has.

Until the chip shortages eases, it won't do crazy numbers fast.


It’s dumb. And no producing a Series S isn’t just cutting a Series X in half, different board, different memory config different chip
They have different specs. They don't have the same specs as ps5/ps5d. Xss specs is little bit easier to get, unlike ps5/xss specs. Hence, why they are producing it at a faster rate.


If it were possible for MS to turn back time and stop Series S from existing, they would have a lot less consoles on the market.
You explained here, why the xss is selling alot.


MS isn’t producing “a lot” of anything. Nintendo produces a lot of Switch OLED and you still can’t find one.
Nintendo doesn't the chip shortages, which xbox and Playstation have. It's why they can make 20+m console in 1 year.
 

Fredrik

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Sometimes Series X is listed as “two weeks time”, PS5 is never listed because shipments cant keep up with pre orders.
Here in Sweden the tracker I used to get a PS5, which check a couple big stores every 30 seconds, still show 0 for both next gen consoles today.

You can find Xbox Series X for about $800 at some douche stores though which I’m assume is selling scalped consoles.

Same for PS5, which is even more of a unicorn, goes for roughly $1000.

Xbox Series S is readily available everywhere for $340.
 

Papacheeks

Banned
I don’t know on what kind of estimates Twitter guy was working with, but I’m thinking the pitch was that all stock had been sold for Series, when that wasn’t true.

Series S is always available, so how can that be possible? Sometimes I check online stores and S is either available now or available in two days. Sometimes Series X is listed as “two weeks time”, PS5 is never listed because shipments cant keep up with pre orders.

Either Series S isn’t selling out or MS is producing an incredible amount of Series S, which isn’t happening because they would be ahead of PS5 then.

Switch is a beast.



Let’s just call it what it is, a lot less demand.

Well the fact that NPD and Matt Pracilla actually gave info that series S being more available was why in December Microsoft took the month. Purely a stock issue with PS5. And Sony will continue to have that issue I think Series X will too to some extent because size of chip compared to series s. It's obvious looking at numbers which brand has more demand. But both are doing well retrospectively. Microsoft would be doing better if series X could be produced more. They are doing better than Xbox one.

So take that for what it is. Issue is going to be this year and next where sony has the games everyones talking about.

Their big game that they could bundle or really use as a driving force to sell consoles is starfield. ANd thats not until end of the year.

To me the bigger picture we wont see till april/may. I want to see if sony allocated more for spring since they have big releases.
 

Thirty7ven

Sony make cringe trainers.
Here in Sweden the tracker I used to get a PS5, which check a couple big stores every 30 seconds, still show 0 for both next gen consoles today.

You can find Xbox Series X for about $800 at some douche stores though which I’m assume is selling scalped consoles.

Same for PS5, which is even more of a unicorn, goes for roughly $1000.

Xbox Series S is readily available everywhere for $340.

That’s I’m saying, the market for Series S exists of course. But I’ve seen stores around here selling Series S with a free controller for Christ sakes.
 

demigod

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I know you know this, but maybe you forgot it. Brand loyalty is a thing as well. Narrowing the difference in sales down to a single focus point is wrong, since there are a lot of other factors in play. As mentioned before, brand loyalty ie. If you've gamed on your Playstation for 8 years, you're not likely to switch, unless you've had a bad experience. If your friends are all on Playstation, you're not going to switch and leave that behind. And then we're not even talking about peoples tendency to be influenced by advertising, both online and offline.

Exclusives matter, of course, but pointing at that as the only reason Playstation is beating Xbox is.. well, silly.

Also, how did Ampere Analysis even arrive at these numbers?
Now this is silly. I'm sure you know this but maybe you forgot, let me refresh your old memory. Lots of xbox fans switched from 360 to PS4, same with PS2 fans switching to 360. Sure there are other factors to why one would switch but saying brand loyalty is the only reason why its chosen is rather....well, silly.

The Xbox one was going neck to neck in the 1st 2 years. Then dipped after that.
It wasn't just games that affected the sales, but the expensive price, and e3 blow.
But production wise it kept going for these 2 years. It's after these 2 years, that xbox one went downhill.
Xsx/XSS don't have that issue. Mainly because gamepass. But also, because there are 55m people who want xbox consoles.

Its because is easy to produce. Unlike Xsx and Ps5, the Xss is fast to produce. Which the reason why you see it everywhere. The latter have stock issues. They are in limited quantities. And they sold fast, because those numbers are low.


Elden ring, dying light 2. Are those not coming to xbox? Does call of duty not exist on xbox?

You should know this already.
Ps4 with 120m sales, and 111 mau had 20m highest selling exclusive game. Meaning the rest of 90m users didn't buy those games.
These are the people who will buy the console, for these 3rd party games.

As TBiddy TBiddy said, people want to play with their friends, or have brand loyalty. They will buy those games, regardless of exclusive that is dropping these months.
No it wasn't, PS4 was killing Xbox One, hence the price drop before it even hit a full 2nd year.

Production has not changed, the reason why you see xss everywhere now is because sales has stagnated, duh. This is the reason why the gap will widen again.

Elden Ring, Dying Light 2, CoD, none of those are 3rd party exclusive.
 
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kingfey

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it wasn't, PS4 was killing Xbox One, hence the price drop before it even hit a full 2nd year.
The Xbox one was expensive, when it was released. Which is why they had to to cut the price.


Production has not changed, the reason why you see xss everywhere now is because sales has stagnated, duh. This is the reason why the gap will widen again.
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I don't know how someone can be this stupid.
Low sales, means low production. You cant produce an item alot, if it doesn't sell well, since you will have overcrowded product.
The gap was already 2:1. Sony ordered 2 times wafer, more than MS. Yet this data shows us the data is 1.7:1, instead of 2:1.


Elden Ring, Dying Light 2, CoD, none of those are 3rd party exclusive.
These are the games people play. You need a console for those. You either get ps5, xsx/s, or PC to play it. Hence, why people are buying these consoles.
 

demigod

Member
The Xbox one was expensive, when it was released. Which is why they had to to cut the price.



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I don't know how someone can be this stupid.
Low sales, means low production. You cant produce an item alot, if it doesn't sell well, since you will have overcrowded product.
The gap was already 2:1. Sony ordered 2 times wafer, more than MS. Yet this data shows us the data is 1.7:1, instead of 2:1.



These are the games people play. You need a console for those. You either get ps5, xsx/s, or PC to play it. Hence, why people are buying these consoles.
Well gee i wonder why the xbox one got a price cut? Because sales were poor. It was getting beat bad by the ps4. Stop trying to rewrite history son. You’re right, you are stupid.

Low sales means low production? Sure, but not right away. These wafers are ordered in advance, production isn’t just going to stop. Why do you think it beat the ps5 during holidays? Because they had stock of the xss since September. Why did ps5 beat it in January? I seriously cannot believe someone is this stupid.
 

kingfey

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Well gee i wonder why the xbox one got a price cut? Because sales were poor. It was getting beat bad by the ps4. Stop trying to rewrite history son. You’re right, you are stupid.
US$499, that was the xbox one price. US$399.99 that was the ps4 price. Add that to bad e3, and you figure the rest.

Low sales means low production? Sure, but not right away
You dont produce alot of that product, if it will sell low numbers. That is 101 business.

These wafers are ordered in advance, production isn’t just going to stop. Why do you think it beat the ps5 during holidays? Because they had stock of the xss since September. Why did ps5 beat it in January? I seriously cannot believe someone is this stupid.
Are you reading what you typed? Because that is the point you are missing from your argument.

These companies have forecast for their production. They order the wafers in advance. And since it takes time to produce these items, you will see these inconstancy sales. Its all about how fast they can produce. They are trying to meet the demand of these consoles.
 
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FrankWza

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From the article:

"Ampere estimates that cumulative sell-through for Series S was ahead of Series X at the end of 2021."

If the total sold was 10.5, that would put Series X below 5.25 right? Which would mean a 3+ to 1 ratio in terms of the higher end machines, right? Am I missing something? I never expected splits like that so soon.
If this is accurate, the demand for PS5 is truly incredible because, despite having higher availability than x, the price on reseller sites has been consistently higher.
 

demigod

Member
US$499, that was the xbox one price. US$399.99 that was the ps4 price. Add that to bad e3, and you figure the rest.


You dont produce alot of that product, if it will sell low numbers. That is 101 business.


Are you reading what you typed? Because that is the point you are missing from your argument.

These companies have forecast for their production. They order the wafers in advance. And since it takes time to produce these items, you will see these inconstancy sales. Its all about how fast they can produce. They are trying to meet the demand of these consoles.
But you said xbox one and ps4 were neck and neck? It wasn’t, so stop making excuses now.

Again, explain why ps5 beat xbox in January.
 

kingfey

Banned
But you said xbox one and ps4 were neck and neck? It wasn’t, so stop making excuses now.
first 2 year, before it went dip. That is what I said. Xbox one sold pretty well on the 1st year.

Again, explain why ps5 beat xbox in January.
Both have shortage issues. Xbox managed to allocate more on holidays.


i think we need to this debate now. I am at work, and I cant continue.
 

sircaw

Just a lil finicky
i wonder what scaper prices would be or indicate>?

I mean if you had both high-end systems being sold, more demand would make one of the systems more expensive?

Take Amazon UK for example.

I am seeing ps5 consoles on sale from other providers for up to £1000.

For Xbox x ones, i am seeing just over £600.


As disgusting as price gouging is, it shows which console is more sought after?
 

FrankWza

Member
i wonder what scaper prices would be or indicate>?

I mean if you had both high-end systems being sold, more demand would make one of the systems more expensive?

Take Amazon UK for example.

I am seeing ps5 consoles on sale from other providers for up to £1000.

For Xbox x ones, i am seeing just over £600.


As disgusting as price gouging is, it shows which console is more sought after?
I think so. With the current climate being what it is, it has to be the best indicator.
 

demigod

Member
first 2 year, before it went dip. That is what I said. Xbox one sold pretty well on the 1st year.


Both have shortage issues. Xbox managed to allocate more on holidays.


i think we need to this debate now. I am at work, and I cant continue.
Wrong answer Boy. There is no shortage of xss.
 
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