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I mean you can think whatever you want about the software, but saying there is barely software is just flat-out false.Shit hardware and barely any software yet
I mean you can think whatever you want about the software, but saying there is barely software is just flat-out false.Shit hardware and barely any software yet
I mean you can think whatever you want about the software, but saying there is barely software is just flat-out false.
There is a huge library of games. Wherever you like the library or not is a matter of taste, but the number of software releases speaks for itself. It's the Nintendo system with the biggest amount of games, that is just how it is.Even in comparison to other Nintendo systems, the software is lacking.
Did they have games or not? Anything else, your feelings are not important. Your imagination means shit.Even in comparison to other Nintendo systems, the software is lacking. A lot of the good stuff isnt even new but ports of wii u games and at full price too but lets just gloss over Nintendo's shitty decisions. Imagine the backlash if microsoft or Sony tried to pull even half the shit they do. Imo, the switch is one of Nintendo's worst systems. Even the wii had more redeeming qualities.
man, you just live in a fantasy wonderland, just because it is something you don't want doesn't mean other people don'tEven in comparison to other Nintendo systems, the software is lacking. A lot of the good stuff isnt even new but ports of wii u games and at full price too but lets just gloss over Nintendo's shitty decisions. Imagine the backlash if microsoft or Sony tried to pull even half the shit they do. Imo, the switch is one of Nintendo's worst systems. Even the wii had more redeeming qualities.
There is a huge library of games. Wherever you like the library or not is a matter of taste, but the number of software releases speaks for itself. It's the Nintendo system with the biggest amount of games, that is just how it is.
I agree that Nintendo shouldn't sell ports at full price (even if the games are very good) and makes decisions I don't like (their poor Online service, their stance on copyright, Nintendo Online lineup of retro games etc.), but the software lineup on Switch is great.
With BOW getting announced for switch, I doubt Nintendo are very stupid to stop this console, especially after the WII U disaster. They will capitalize on the switch, until they see upward down sales on the hardware, and software sales.The thing is consoles have a sales curve: they start and end with lower sales, and have their sales yearly peak during mid gen, around aprox its 4th year.
What we saw in the recent year or two aprox. was Switch's sales peak that all consoles have, but in this case also extra boosted by the covid related boost the other digital entertainment and internet companies also experienced. Boost that cought the other consoles in the lower parts of their sales cycle: when they are ending or when they are starting, so the boost was smaller for them. And on top of that they were also affected by the chips shortage.
What I mean is that we shouldn't expect to continue see Switch with crazy sales numbers all the upcoming years, but instead will start slowly decreasing soon and some time later to decrease faster.
In addition to this, Sony home consoles keep in the market for over 10 years, can be there for a dozen years. As an example, we saw Jim Ryan mentioning in the 'we believe in generations' interview that they will continue supporting PS4 for at least 2 or 3 years after PS5 release because there's still a huge monthly active userbase on PS4 (over 80M MAU as of now) and will continue for a while there even if they continue selling PS5s at gaming history record levels.
Meanwhile Nintendo consoles have a shorter life cycle, of around 5-6 years for most home consoles and for 8-9 years for portables and Wii. So I think we expect Switch to last until 2022-2023 or to 2025-2026, and its next gen succesor to be released a year or so before.
So I think that even if Switch as of now ahead of PS2 and PS4 in launch aligned sales, I think that in the very long run will end behind them because Sony consoles have a longer tail. As an example, PS4 will turn 8 years old soon and early next year or so will get games like Horizon 2, God of War Ragnarok or Gran Turismo 7 plus many other top selling multi or exclusive crossgen games.
Neither MS or Sony ported games, with upgrades from a platform that sold less than 1/7th of units compared to their current one. For more than 6/7ths of Switch owners the ports are new. I don't know how anyone can call that a shitty decision. The WiiU was a shitty decision, trying to make money by porting those games is not. It was the responsible thing to do for the shareholders. I mean if you had a WiiU and think everything is about you then maybe you see it as shitty towards you, but the games sold well and the new players enjoyed them.Even in comparison to other Nintendo systems, the software is lacking. A lot of the good stuff isnt even new but ports of wii u games and at full price too but lets just gloss over Nintendo's shitty decisions. Imagine the backlash if microsoft or Sony tried to pull even half the shit they do. Imo, the switch is one of Nintendo's worst systems. Even the wii had more redeeming qualities.
Because you are wrong. Personally I and many others think Nintendo and it's partners such as Capcom are knocking it out the park with the awesome games the Switch has given us so far. They by far have the best exclusives this year.How the hell do Nintendo do it? Shit hardware and barely any software yet they manage sales numbers that are unheard of! 28m in one year is insane. I guess Japan plays a huge part.
That's the face I make when I think about the state of my wallet that year.lol they'd have to compete with a RDNA 4 + Zen 5 Steam Deck version by then
What they mean is, the Switch has no games they do not personally like, games that even if they were available on the console, they would still not play, and buy them on the Xbox or Playstation.Yeah it's total nonsense. Switch has no shortage of great games to play from new to old.
The market does not reward mediocrity as you put it, the wider mass market just buys things they like, and are simply not obsessed with graphics and frame rates, and do not spend most of their lives playing video games, surley can't be that difficult to work out, but as usual the core internet minorities, thinking they are the majority. 'Thankfully I won't be one of those five million dolts suckered in a bare-minimum-effort upgrade
Also, 2024? Guess people will let badly-fogged nostalgia goggles cloud their judgement so Nintendo can get away with vastly outdated technology for almost an entire decade. Honestly can see why Sony are watching OLED sales; if Nintendo can get away with cheapening technological innovation and still sell a boatload, why can't Sony? Hell, why can't Microsoft?
Why should the other platform holders even try when the market rewards technological mediocrity throwing money at Nintendo and never holding them accountable for technological stagnation?
Or you hope it does not sell those numbers.Exceed the 160 million of the PS2 ?
I have my doubts, you're forgetting that the switch is just half way through and I can tell you that it will have a hard time keeping this sales momentum for the next 5-6 years.Or you hope it does not sell those numbers.
The Pro got some 1800p CB games that got pretty close to 4k in terms of image quality, like GoT, Death Stranding, GOW and Spiderman.This is true the base model wouldn't have been able to handle VR well at all the spec bump put it right with the GTX 970 level requirement at the time
4k/hdr on the PS4 Pro was always a marketing gimmick people who actually bought into that basically got scammed checkerboarding doesn't even come close to actual 4K
Without a doubt it's a tough ask, the Ps2 pretty much had the market to itself and was a great DVD player at a very affordable price, but I still think the Switch has a lot of momentum, so could still get very close.I have my doubts, you're forgetting that the switch is just half way through and I can tell you that it will have a hard time keeping this sales momentum for the next 5-6 years.
And if the PS2 if managed to reach that figure back in the day it's because it lasted over a decade taking advantage of emerging markets like brazil, third world with a lower price point, the switch's best years are behind it.
Getting close is feasible, especially if the Switch 2 is not due until 2024, but overtaking the PS2 is another story, even the much cheaper Nintendo DS didn't make it.Without a doubt it's a tough ask, the Ps2 pretty much had the market to itself and was a great DVD player at a very affordable price, but I still think the Switch has a lot of momentum, so could still get very close.
It's the same thing; the mass market's rewarded technological competency and innovation before; PC-Engine in Japan, Genesis in the West, SNES globally, PS1, PS2, the Wii etc. and many of those systems were ALSO heavy on pushing graphics and framerate for their time so that doesn't fly as an excuse when it comes to the Switch.The market does not reward mediocrity as you put it, the wider mass market just buys things they like, and are simply not obsessed with graphics and frame rates, and do not spend most of their lives playing video games, surley can't be that difficult to work out, but as usual the core internet minorities, thinking they are the majority. '
The gaming market is much larger now in general. Saying Switch's best years are behind it is premature given that it was only recently announced it had the best year in console history and is tracking ahead of that year in Q1.I have my doubts, you're forgetting that the switch is just half way through and I can tell you that it will have a hard time keeping this sales momentum for the next 5-6 years.
And if the PS2 if managed to reach that figure back in the day it's because it lasted over a decade taking advantage of emerging markets like brazil, third world with a lower price point, the switch's best years are behind it.
Not the same thing at all, but I doubt I would change anyone's mind on here or any other forum, basically your own want's and needs applied to everyone else, then when the wider market does no care for any of this they are stupid or easily pleased.It's the same thing; the mass market's rewarded technological competency and innovation before; PC-Engine in Japan, Genesis in the West, SNES globally, PS1, PS2, the Wii etc. and many of those systems were ALSO heavy on pushing graphics and framerate for their time so that doesn't fly as an excuse when it comes to the Switch.
You don't have to be "obsessed" with those things in order to put some value on them, and the mass market has done that in the past. I think hardcore/core gamers are to blame here; the mass market generally follows where the hardcore/core go and those types were very hyped for the Switch when it was revealed, myself included. But I couldn't picture at the time what impact that could have in terms of technological innovation in gaming space and what complacency that could lead to if it were heavily rewarded, sadly we're now in that timeline when it comes to Nintendo.
And potentially, that could be something Sony and Microsoft take inspiration from as well, if they are looking at Switch's market performance and go "HA! Why are we spending hundreds of billions on R&D and cutting-edge tech, when Nintendo's over here with outdated tech and outselling us!?". And knowing how hypocritical some people are, they will crucify Sony and Microsoft (especially Microsoft) for doing that, meanwhile give Nintendo a pass because of nostalgia goggles and, arguably, cult-like mentality.
the ds didn't because its sales completely collapsed, ps4's sales seem to have also collapsed,Getting close is feasible, especially if the Switch 2 is not due until 2024, but overtaking the PS2 is another story, even the much cheaper Nintendo DS didn't make it.
Nintendo deserves
88.50 million units is pretty impressive.Nintendo deserves it!
This is what I imagine someone looks like whenever they say Switch has no games
Certainly it's lacking those gorgeous AAA games with their innovativemtxgame play and next levelgamblingenemy AI but it has plenty of appealing titles for plebs like us that are too poor to afford a high end PSX system with $70 games
All consoles drop dramatically including Sony and MS consoles, but if I see longevity for any of them, it's Switch. It's not relying on power for third party support, as third party support on the console is trivial enough.Be careful, Nintendo consoles go from dramatically high sales to low sales rather quickly. Wii dropped dramatically as it was approaching 100M. Ds also dropped dramatically past 140 million. I totally suspect switch has a combo of the DS and Wii people are buying switch but I do not expect it to be soaring past 110 million as it’s selling right now. I’m expecting a drop once it gets through 100 million.
The data we have shows the exact opposite. Looking at the tail end of the graph, Switch is arc'ing upwards (selling faster) more so than any of the best selling consoles of all time at this stage in its lifecycle.Be careful, Nintendo consoles go from dramatically high sales to low sales rather quickly. Wii dropped dramatically as it was approaching 100M. Ds also dropped dramatically past 140 million. I totally suspect switch has a combo of the DS and Wii people are buying switch but I do not expect it to be soaring past 110 million as it’s selling right now. I’m expecting a drop once it gets through 100 million.
DS dropped after 3ds release. Pretty much every console's sales drop off a cliff after the next one comes out. PS2 is the glaring exception.Be careful, Nintendo consoles go from dramatically high sales to low sales rather quickly. Wii dropped dramatically as it was approaching 100M. Ds also dropped dramatically past 140 million. I totally suspect switch has a combo of the DS and Wii people are buying switch but I do not expect it to be soaring past 110 million as it’s selling right now. I’m expecting a drop once it gets through 100 million.
It is true that there are a lot of ports. If you have a ps4, and have had a Wii U, that really limits what you can get out of the switch. Not to mention, some of the Wii U ports are inferior ; at least half.Even in comparison to other Nintendo systems, the software is lacking. A lot of the good stuff isnt even new but ports of wii u games and at full price too but lets just gloss over Nintendo's shitty decisions. Imagine the backlash if microsoft or Sony tried to pull even half the shit they do. Imo, the switch is one of Nintendo's worst systems. Even the wii had more redeeming qualities.
Nintendo puts out more high quality first-party software than anyone.How the hell do Nintendo do it? Shit hardware and barely any software yet they manage sales numbers that are unheard of! 28m in one year is insane. I guess Japan plays a huge part.
Nintendo puts out more high quality first-party software than anyone.