TrebleShot
Member
The form factor is delicious in these and makes those monster gaming pc look a bit awkward like they belong in the 90s same with the gaming consoles I would LOVE an Apple console. M1 ultra whew
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Apple Event Peek Performance | March 8, 2022
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Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
I’m probably going to pull the trigger on the display and maybe the Mac Studio. If not that then the Mac Mini.
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Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
So, funny story: win11 for arm has an x86 emulator built in, opening the possibility of running 64 bit windows programs on macs - but qualcomm and windows have an exclusivity deal, until it expires bootcamp cannot be back.
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jimmypython
Member
Man that M1 Ultra Mac Studio is so appealing to my workflow....
Hope to convince my work to get one.
But I also want one for myself....not sure if my wife will be happy for that 6k+ CAD price tag
Hope to convince my work to get one.
But I also want one for myself....not sure if my wife will be happy for that 6k+ CAD price tag
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Insane Metal
Member
Damn how does Apple manage that kind of performance/power? Very impressive. It'll be a while before AMD or Intel get to those numbers.
DrAspirino
Banned
If you put it next to the equipment pro users have to do their job, it's actually quite affordable.
For example, this Grass Valley 4K "professional" camera costs 39,000 british pounds, which is over 20 times the cost of the Mac Studio.
And that's for just ONE camera.
And let's not even talk about the RED cameras, that costs an arm and a leg, and even Linus Sebastian from LTT has very few of them due to the extremely high price.
So, for us, normal users, US$3999 for a computer is nuts. For a pro (users whom this mac is aimed to), is peanuts.
Thaedolus
Gold Member
They also make the Switch SoC.
Zeroing
Banned
I’m waiting to upgrade… I’m waiting for a bigger iMac
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
I'm trying to think of a joke that references "A Wii is just two Gamecubes duct taped together" meme, but none of them are funny.
Apple is doing amazing work with their home designed silicon.
Are we sure these measure up to AMD and Nvidia gpus in all areas? Or is Apple only highlighting favorable specs that have other bottlenecks in the real world?
Pagusas
Elden Member
That Studio is great looking.
The next Switch's SoC would already be complete, so nVidia's likely very good there. And I don't think apple is licensing or selling the M1 to anyone else in the world right now, so hard to feel like they are competition when they are in a different market, don't care about games, and aren't selling/licensing to anyone else. AMD and Intel are both probably looking at their future roadmaps with concern right now though.
McCheese
Member
Native games on the M1 Max run incredibly well, similar to 2070 performance. There are just barely any games that use Metal for the graphics API and use something like MoltenVK which wraps it, but with a performance hit. The paradox games for example have PC, Mac and Linux ports but the latter two run like absolute shit even on equal hardware.
p_xavier
Authorized Fister
I really love working on a 120hz 4k TV, so hopefully a new mac mini would support that. I hate the 60hz now.
Zeroing
Banned
I think it does, not sure, I gave up on external monitors long time ago because of color correction/calibration issues…
SentientStone
Member
Hm, only 180CAD separating the iPad Air from the iPad Pro 11" in the 256GB configuration... decisions decisions.
dottme
Member
In real world, I would think not that great. A lot of games are optimized for AMD/Nvidia GPU which use a different architecture than Apple. Games which are optimized for Metal are actually running really well.
the wall Apple is facing is to get more people to support their architecture.
p_xavier
Authorized Fister
Current mac mini is HDMI 2.0. There might be a thunderbolt converter etc., but too much gimmicks for me to look into right now.
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Zeroing
Banned
Yeah you’ll need an adapter and you still might have issues with your TV. That’s why I’m still waiting for an iMac, easier.
p_xavier
Authorized Fister
But tiny display! I'm too used to a 49" screen.
Dr Bass
Member
You might be waiting awhile.
They specifically called out 27 inch iMac users saying now is a good time to switch. The new Studio display combined with a Mac Mini or a Mac Studio seems like the "new 27" setup" now. I don't see why they would make an iMac that that was basically the studio monitor combined with the internals of either the Mini or the Studio. It's just too much overlap.
Now they might release a larger iMac Pro. But that's speculation now, and it would likely be quite expensive. They specifically also said the last Mac left to transition is the Mac Pro.
So, I could be wrong, but the 27" iMac might be finished.
Zeroing
Banned
Yes if you are used to a big screen there’s no turning back.
Zeroing
Banned
Yeah I don’t understand Apple, all I wanted was an iMac with bigger screen and more ram! I still think the current iMac is more for casuals and I need something betwen casual and super professional!
Dr Bass
Member
And just like that ...
Apple’s 27-inch iMac disappears from its store with no fanfare or replacement
Rumors suggest a big Apple Silicon iMac is coming, but it's not here yet.
arstechnica.com
I think a bigger iMac could be coming (since there are so many rumors, I certainly don't have insight).
I think the way to go in this case would be a Mac desktop of some sort depending on your power level needs and a third party monitor. Or the studio monitor. Or of course wait for the potentially larger iMac but it would almost surely be very costly.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
You can always pick the studio and a 3rd party screen.
Zeroing
Banned
I’ll need to look up if there would be calibration issues, it happened to me on the past!
Or I might just give up and buy the studio display and the Mac studio.
I dunno I’ll need to think about it.
CobraAB
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Editaur
Member
These ones. They are 4K and the 27" is 2.5K.
In Australia these can be had for $999-1099 compared to $2,499 for the basic Studio Display.
Maiden Voyage
Gold™ Member
That monitor is making my decision difficult. I might just finally pull the trigger on an iMac 24" instead of getting the Studio Monitor and Mac Mini combo. Nothing I do on my desktop will require processing power beyond the base M1 chip, I think. A solid display would be real ideal though.
WWDC probably?
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Kazekage1981
Member
-There has to be some sort of advantage of unifying/sharing the power of High amounts of RAM+RAM bandwidth, CPU, GPU, NPU all in one.
-It's a shame with all this raw processing power that there are no 4k 60fps games being built natively from the ground up such as: God of War, Horizon Dawn, etc
-Apple needs to make their own in-house 1st party game studios, not necessarily another console.
-It's a shame with all this raw processing power that there are no 4k 60fps games being built natively from the ground up such as: God of War, Horizon Dawn, etc
-Apple needs to make their own in-house 1st party game studios, not necessarily another console.
Kazekage1981
Member
BTW, is there any information on the GPU capabilities like Raytracing? Machine Learning (similar to DLSS)?
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
No ray tracing and no dlss.
Kazekage1981
Member
Why do they have that stupid graph that it's just as powerful as NVIDIA 3090 with 200W less power? The whole point of 3090 is, that it has raytracing and dlss!
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Generally speaking, they're interested on GPUs either as accelerators for tasks (think video rendering and encoding) and as visualization for art and design programs (in which case the program will have it's own raytracing renderer to show the scene). Think professional, not consumer.
MaestroMike
Gold Member
LordOfChaos
Member
Be nice to see the next macOS really take advantage of Neural Engine on the mac. And I don't just mean silly things like gating Intel macs away from the globe view in Apple Maps when they could run Google Maps just fine for years, but things that take advantage of a true low power neural accelerator. Do things for you before you need them, that kind of thing. You're renaming a bunch of files and it goes, hey I get this pattern, want me to take a shot at finishing, that sort of thing would be cool.
Bitmap Frogs
Mr. Community
Monday's wwdc. We'll need a new thread.
Unfortunately, the macos division is still lead by fedehrighi(sp?) who weirdly enough is liked by fans but since 2016 quality and innovations from apple desktop OS have essentially dwindled. The only thing he seems to care is for macos become ios keyboard edition.
Unfortunately, the macos division is still lead by fedehrighi(sp?) who weirdly enough is liked by fans but since 2016 quality and innovations from apple desktop OS have essentially dwindled. The only thing he seems to care is for macos become ios keyboard edition.