whyamihere
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Arizona moderates/swing voters are different than Wisconsin moderates/swing voters.
Same reason why Hillary did better in Arizona than Obama and why Obama did better in Wisconsin than in Arizona.
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Arizona Rep. Kyrsten Sinema (D) enters Senate race, hoping to unseat Jeff Flake (R)
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Arizona moderates/swing voters are different than Wisconsin moderates/swing voters.
Same reason why Hillary did better in Arizona than Obama and why Obama did better in Wisconsin than in Arizona.
I'll vote for her when the time comes.
Nah. She's still better than Flake, and has a D by her name. We work with what we got.
Nah. She's still better than Flake, and has a D by her name. We work with what we got.
Hades Hotgun
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For the new page...
49% support is around what Obama scored for supporting the Bush administration even when he was running for President.
If you are gonna fixate on that percent then at least know how much support presidents typically get, even from their direct opponents.
49% support is around what Obama scored for supporting the Bush administration even when he was running for President.
If you are gonna fixate on that percent then at least know how much support presidents typically get, even from their direct opponents.
Arizona has 2 very distinct Population Centers. Republican leaning Phoenix and Democrat Stronghold Tucson. The 2 have started to balance each other out which has led to the state turning Purple.
Jeff Flake is not in Blue Arizona. He is in Red Arizona and as such will require a Candidate that can be viewed as acceptable to both sides.
OrangeGrayBlue
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I'm all for being pragmatic about candidates. I just question if Arizona is the place for this. I fear another Joe Lieberman situation when we're pushing for single-payer or something and it's dashed by Sinema. I recognize that you can't run the same folks in Arizona that you can in Vermont or Washington, but at the same time I don't know that Arizona is exactly Joe Manchin-esque territory either.
whyamihere
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I think Arizona is just a different beast than even an Ohio. I think, even given 2016, you're better off running a more populist-minded progressive Democrat than in Arizona for now, if that makes sense.
Tranqueris
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Jesus, just take the hint and retire already.
Joe Lieberman having the seat was better than a conservative Republican having it.
whyamihere
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That's wasn't quite the situation in CT though.
Lieberman lost his primary and Lamont would've won.
OrangeGrayBlue
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Oh, I just looked into the Democratic alternative (Abboud) and realized she's a Muslim woman. As much as I'd love to say otherwise, That's probably not gonna work in Arizona.
Sinema it is, I guess. Just hope she makes the right choices when it matters if she gets the seat.
Sinema it is, I guess. Just hope she makes the right choices when it matters if she gets the seat.
whyamihere
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Agreed.
In AZ? Lol no
OrangeGrayBlue
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Never meant to suggest otherwise, to be clear. I'd like to see us prop up someone a little further left for the race, but if she's ultimately the candidate it would be dumb to not support her.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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NOPE EVERY CANDIDATE MUST BE THE PERFECT DREAM CANDIDATE
googleplex
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*Face-palm, Face-palm,Face-palm*
This the reality of living in a heavy red state. I know I live in that racist shit-hole that is Arizona! I'll take a "Republican lite" with a D by her name then the hardcore Republican she is running against! She can probably be reasoned with and history tells is this is how you get the progressive agenda to make traction in red states.
No Bernie noOoOoOoooo~~~~!!
Democrats havent won a Senate seat in Arizona since 1988.
It's Arizona. As it currently stands, a Democrat barely has a shot as it is. She may mean it, but she may just be trying to quell any blowback early on.
She's not ideal, from the sounds of it (Just learned about her), but based on what I'm seeing, she's better than leaving Flake there. Far better, actually.
SolarPowered
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We would, which is why people saying 'we can do better' is laughable af.
John Rabbit
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She's blonde, openly bisexual, and is particularly focused on veteran's affairs.
This is literally the only kind of Democratic candidate that could win a Senate seat in Arizona in the year 2018.
This is literally the only kind of Democratic candidate that could win a Senate seat in Arizona in the year 2018.
for now. demographics are dramatically changing the political landscape of arizona. hillary almost took it in the election
Its called politics my dear sweet summer child
AmayaPapaya
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I dont like her. Arizona isnt West Virginia or Missouri, we can have someone else. I believe Jeff Flake is even more unpopular than Trump is, and he won the state by only 4 points. We can have someone at least as good as Hillary. We shouldn't prop up Joe Manchin's of the world if we dont have to.
John Rabbit
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Who? Name names of those who would conceivably even run for Senate.
Flake is unpopular largely in part because he's not conservative enough. You want to end up with Paul fucking Gosar?
This won't work.
Flying Toaster
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The only Democrat in power in Arizona was Napolitano. Anyone giving this Democrat hell for any reason and does not live in AZ can be quiet. I was a Bernie person but screw purity tests. We need to as a party go back to the 50 state solution because the bickering and tests do not work.
No one wants this though?
I'm not opposed to her, I just don't know if this is good politics? We'll see. It would be awesome if she won, I just tend to think these candidates excite exactly no one, and R's don't peel off.
Fenderputty
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lol I'm so over the left
whyamihere
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She's also not Joe Manchin. At worst, she's Claire McCaskill.
hodayathink
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Also, there's a decent chance that Flake doesn't even win his primary next year, and the person currently leading those polls (Kelli Ward) is further right than Flake is.
I live in a NY brooklyn bubble.
But seriously - I WANT her to win. I just don't see the segment that gets excited for this.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Where the hell you getting 14 points? It was 49-45.5
Hillary lost by 4.5%
Obama lost by 9%
Youre off by like 10 points dude.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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3.5% actually.
yeah you are right. my mistake.
Flying Toaster
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Do you live in Arizona? I am starting to get tired of people spouting shit they don't know.
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HiredN00bs
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Yeah, but we don't actually know the moderate in this instance has a better chance of winning than the progressive (there is generally a lot of momentum behind anti-establishment candidates, but then again, this moderate has had electoral success in Arizona). I agree we should go with the most viable so-called "lesser of two levels". Less evil is always a good thing, let's not lose sight of that, like the voting public did during the last election.
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