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As a 35+ year console gamers. I must admit pc guys are right. Frames over graphics any time!

so now I cannot like a headset or a controller?
Maybe I really thing that controller or headset is the best thing ever ? Or other one?
btw - I use that headset on a pc... it's pretty good... The best? I never said that. I've maybe said it's a good value.
I like the thing - sue me.

30 fps is better than 60? Where did you get that from?
I prefer image quality and often when I have to choose, I will happily take 4k30 mode unless the game is on pc then I do 4k120....
You do you bro. But that's this issue with this site. Anyone with an open mind would ban people who constantly shit on pc like you do. And ban console warriors like you do. Since they don't, warriors like you get away with console warring since you "own a pc", whether it's yours or a roommate, or a Google photo, it doesn't matter. You get away with console warring since you supposedly own a pc? But this is my reason for saying fuck this place. They let ppl like you roam around with no issue
 

rofif

Gold Member
Bruh, I love you but you're constantly shitting on PC, almost on a daily basis.
I'm with you when calling out the occasional bullshit master race elitist but there can't be a positive PC thread here without your grumpy ass coming in and reminding everyone everything you hate about PC.
What I'm trying say is...



I still like you though.


Come on man, relax. The industry would be really boring without fanboys.
Don't give up on PCGAF:
Arrested Development Tobias GIF
Thanks. I know I am an asshole sometimes, sorry.
It's just the bitterness inside me :p

DonJuanSchlong DonJuanSchlong
you must have missed my posts praising xbox series 20th anniversary controller... I even bought two but yeah, SONY GOD.... cmon man.
But yeah sure, BAN EVERYONE. NO DISCUSSION ANYMORE. NO OPINIONS.

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Wait... I supposedly own a PC ?! have you not seen 15 photos I've posted yesterday? Do you want receipts ?! Wtf is wrong with some people.
 
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Graciaus

Member
You barely follow my posts then and take it too seriously...
I just posted few days ago that in last 2 years I've finished 20 games on pc ad 10 on console.... yay. I use it daily man, what is your problem. I didn't get 3080 to trash it.

Do You really not understand I can have a pc and also hate it with a part of my soul ?! Do you not understand that a person can own something, spent money on it and STILL SEE HONEST FLAWS ?!
This is what NOT BEING A FANBOY is like. To be able to see flaws.
I have 25 years of pc gaming behind me. I know it's strengths and flaws. It is amazing but I am not a fool to blindly praise it every occasion there is.

If You can't understand that, you really should leave then. I am allowed my opinion, no matter if you understand it or not.
Even if I really hated pc gaming with passion, am I not allowed that ?! wtf.
edit: And yes - my post in this thread was sarcastic. a joke man...
edit2: Every person with opinion is banned here. There are people who really are fanboys of x or y and there is nothing wrong with that. Just as you might like tits or ass :p
I am not antagonizing anyone
edit3: You can ask my friends. I've built many pcs for them over the years. but I hate the pc so much !?
I was going to make a joke about how I'm surprised you didn't mention your 3080 somewhere in your post when I skimmed it. But then I saw it just as I quoted it.

I've never seen a post about pc from you not shitting on it in some way.
 
Bruh, I love you but you're constantly shitting on PC, almost on a daily basis.
I'm with you when calling out the occasional bullshit master race elitist but there can't be a positive PC thread here without your grumpy ass coming in and reminding everyone everything you hate about PC.
What I'm trying say is...



I still like you though.


Come on man, relax. The industry would be really boring without fanboys.
Don't give up on PCGAF:
Arrested Development Tobias GIF
Nah I'm done. Fuck gaf. There's no point in staying, when you let people run rampant like this. There's no point in staying. I'm leaving to a better place that let's people speak. Fuck censoring shit, it's 2022 for fucks sake
 

Kataploom

Member
Art is very important to me, but there are "ugly" game out there (namely some indies) that play so well that I still very much enjoy them.
Gotta admit I feel a little guilty of not letting myself enjoy some of those experiences, but I've tried and the art just puts off so much I just can't, happened to me with The Witcher 1 and AC1. Now, smooth 60fps (yes, it's smooth, even tho not the smoothest) + art style is another story
 

rofif

Gold Member
I was going to make a joke about how I'm surprised you didn't mention your 3080 somewhere in your post when I skimmed it. But then I saw it just as I quoted it.

I've never seen a post about pc from you not shitting on it in some way.
Maybe You are only looking for these posts. I post a lot of different things. True, I am not the biggest pc fan lately and I am bitter about it but PC gaming is my life... it's a love/hate relationship.
I am of a mind, that the more you know something, the more you know good and bad things.
Ask any IT guy. They hate it because the love it and know so much about i.
I think I am posting a lot of praise. I post a lot in pc screenshots thread and other.
edit: also - I am not perfect and I am annoying in real life too :p
edit2: Btw, I just recently applied for IT job hahah pity me :p
 
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Kataploom

Member
Wrong.

Visuals > Performance. Always. In life too. Example below.

30 > 60

Graphics > Performance.

Beautiful 30fps visuals


Amazing performance at 60fps


enjoy your frames :messenger_loudly_crying::messenger_poop:

Give me better visuals. Period
Well, the above can can't lift, but the bellow girl can and can also look good if dressed appropriately (come to me muscle waifus)... The more performant, the more that can be done ;)
 
I was going to make a joke about how I'm surprised you didn't mention your 3080 somewhere in your post when I skimmed it. But then I saw it just as I quoted it.

I've never seen a post about pc from you not shitting on it in some way.
He won't. Cause he shits so hard on PC, every chance he gets. I've been banned because of back and forth with him. He's a poser taking pics of his roomates PC to try and pose. He'll never pay a game on PC with you. Never. That's why i say fuck this site. They let people shit on things you like, in threads that cater to you. I'm a PC, and if I enter a PC thread I'll get banned for a game that's only on PC, arguing with someone like him. Fuck GAF
 

yamaci17

Member
He won't. Cause he shits so hard on PC, every chance he gets. I've been banned because of back and forth with him. He's a poser taking pics of his roomates PC to try and pose. He'll never pay a game on PC with you. Never. That's why i say fuck this site. They let people shit on things you like, in threads that cater to you. I'm a PC, and if I enter a PC thread I'll get banned for a game that's only on PC, arguing with someone like him. Fuck GAF
maybe his friend keeps having issues and he reflects those upon us

who knowss
 

rofif

Gold Member
He won't. Cause he shits so hard on PC, every chance he gets. I've been banned because of back and forth with him. He's a poser taking pics of his roomates PC to try and pose. He'll never pay a game on PC with you. Never. That's why i say fuck this site. They let people shit on things you like, in threads that cater to you. I'm a PC, and if I enter a PC thread I'll get banned for a game that's only on PC, arguing with someone like him. Fuck GAF
Dude what ? Apparently my flat, wife, my pc... probable even I... do I not exist ?!
 
Dude what ? Apparently my flat, wife, my pc... probable even I... do I not exist ?!
So again, why do you shit on pc every chance for get? Are you paid to do that? Do you console war and have to say " i have a 3080" every time? I don't get it? What's your steam rofif rofif add me, we'll play for a couple days straight, your game of choice. Let's see if you really game on PC or is a thing you do on GAF only to shit on PC
 
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Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Lol and it's a great time to be a PC gamer. We get the games from all of them.
You are telling me.
Crypto crashing - GPU prices coming down.
New generation of GPUs before any "nextgen" games really show up.
Upscaling techniques out the ass.
Low tier CPUs blazing through games.
Xbox Games Studios releasing on Steam.
Playstation Game Studios releasing on Steam.
EGS just giving us games.
We dont speak about Nintendo.

 

rofif

Gold Member
So again, why do you shit on pc every chance for get? Are you paid to do that? Do you console war and have to say " i have a 3080" every time? I don't get it?
I don't.
I just have years of experience with pc. Good and bad. That + me being a bitter asshole is what you see.
I just think the new consoles are super impressive compared to very expensive pc gaming nowadays.
It doesn't make pc gaming any worse for that...

I am sorry if I offend people. I don't intend to troll or antagonize. I usually make people spend a lot of money on pc gaming.
You only seem to lack the grasp that being critical of something is a a sign of really being into that thing.
 

rodrigolfp

Member
for starters, u have to tone down your sensitivity, that's a must. so you have less intense judder when panning the camera with a mouse
then, try setting the game to 20 fps
play 5-10 minutes (begrudgingly)
then set it to 30 fps
it will feel much better. and of course, don't try 60 fps at all. once you get a taste of that, it may seem impossible to return back to 30 fps.
tho, its pointless, just have decent cpu and reduce resolution/graphics wherever itis required to attain 60 fps :messenger_smiling: but i can stillsettle solidly on 40 fps with a gamepad, it just feelsreally good to me, no cap
Tried all that. Nope especially for shooters (FP or TP).
 

yamaci17

Member
You are telling me.
Crypto crashing - GPU prices coming down.
New generation of GPUs before any "nextgen" games really show up.
Upscaling techniques out the ass.
Low tier CPUs blazing through games.
Xbox Games Studios releasing on Steam.
Playstation Game Studios releasing on Steam.
EGS just giving us games.
We dont speak about Nintendo.

i hope my 2700x can pump 60 frames in starfield. if not, i will join the hordes of xbox console userbase btw
 
I prioritize framerate but honestly I rarely have to compromise IQ much if at all in almost any games to get good framerates on PC and my hardware isn't exactly cutting edge stuff now.

30fps needs to die though.

DonJuanSchlong DonJuanSchlong nuking your account I kind of get if you're sick of how things are going here with how the admins run things, but why over a rofif post? He's been posting that stuff forever now. Just block the guy if he bothers you so much. He's harmless.
 
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Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
i hope my 2700x can pump 60 frames in starfield. if not, i will join the hordes of xbox console userbase btw
You could upgrade to a 3000 or 5000 series CPU and def blaze through the game.
If the gimped 3000s in these consoles can run it, im sure any processor beyond should easily walk to 60fps stable.
 
I prioritize framerate but honestly I rarely have to compromise IQ much if at all in almost any games to get good framerates on PC and my hardware isn't exactly cutting edge stuff now.

30fps needs to die though.

DonJuanSchlong DonJuanSchlong nuking your account I kind of get if you're sick of how things are going here with how the admins run things, but why over a rofif post? He's been posting that stuff forever now, it's like a running joke at this point. Just block the guy if he bothers you so much. He's harmless.
It's not him. I'm just don't with GAF and he had an account that portrayed gaf. I got banned for some stupid shit last night, in a pc thread. So that's my final straw. Fuck this place, no point in staying in a hostile environment. I'm probably a ban a way. No point in spending money here, for what? Only to get silenced? Fuck that
 

rofif

Gold Member
So again, why do you shit on pc every chance for get? Are you paid to do that? Do you console war and have to say " i have a 3080" every time? I don't get it? What's your steam rofif rofif add me, we'll play for a couple days straight, your game of choice. Let's see if you really game on PC or is a thing you do on GAF only to shit on PC
I am not very competitive. I don't want to post my steam id here. it's probably not safe.
PM me yours, so I will add you (I cannot pm you for some reason)
 
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yamaci17

Member
Tried all that. Nope especially for shooters (FP or TP).
no problem


this is how my 40 fps experimental cpunk 2077 mode looked like. it was enjoyable, i think i spent 30 hrs like this, really happy with smoothness, it was just enough to be not distracting for me. and its a fps game! i then switched over to 1440p+dlss quality with toned down RT, managed to get 60, but really, 4k IQ was something else (The game was on Very hard difficulty. i really wanted to see if 40 fps mode can be enjoyed and properly played without distractions and stops; and personally yes; it was highly enjoyable)

ofc u can solve the issue with better hardware. this was a compromise that I was happy with
 
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Consoles back then also had some 60fps games, mainly 2d scrollers. If you were to train your sight you could have seen the difference even at that age.

But yeah, welcome to the club! I have switched to 144fps for the past couple of years (in the games i can) and it makes a difference from 60. I'm not sure if from 120 to 144 makes much though, or from 120 to 240.

But if i have learned anything through the years, is that the "this is perfect/enough" standard of a certain time period, the future has been knocking it out every generation.
 

Guilty_AI

Member
That only works if you have a screen that supports 40Hz or a VRR/Freesync/Gsync screen that has a range that goes down that low else
Your frames are being displayed non-uniformly and you will get a persistent albeit predictable stutter/judder/frame delay when frames are repeated or skipped.
40 doesnt divide into 60 equally, so the game/screen has to figure something out.
Might as well just lock 30 or reduce settings to get to 60.
^Note this is basically a 30 vs 60 thread and people are fine with 30 so I imagine people are also fine with non-uniform frame rendering. *shudder*
Tbf you shouldn't be wrong. However, the truth is i have a 60hz screen with no VRR/Freesync/Gsync nor support for 40hz, but following the steps i said - borderless window, v-sync off, frame limited to 40fps - work in most games (worked with Cyberpunk 2077 for example), no tearing, no input lag, no stutter.

I have no idea why it works - and i'm aware it shouldn't work in theory, for the reasons you said - but it undeniably does as i used it myself.
 
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yamaci17

Member
You could upgrade to a 3000 or 5000 series CPU and def blaze through the game.
If the gimped 3000s in these consoles can run it, im sure any processor beyond should easily walk to 60fps stable.
i always forget about that

post 8th gen intel trauma does that you. imagine being forced to only 2 generations of CPUs that are clones of each other...am4 is something else. im glad i sold my i5 8400 when it had value and switched over to am4 platform
 
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KXVXII9X

Member
Up until my ps5, I never had the opitons of toggling 60fps or higher fidelity graphics. Up until this point, I always thought that PC gamers were snobs in needing higher frames and believed 30fps is good enough for anyone. I even always thought before the ps5 release that I would always choose the higher fidelity cause why bother playing at higher frames. BOY WAS I WRONG!

As an exclusive console owner I had the ignorance is bliss mentality. To make a long story short, it's hard to go back to playing many games at 30fps once you feel the fluidity of 60pfs. The 30fps games often feel very sluggish in comparison like they are played in quick sand. Even older games like Diablo 2 benefit greatly from this improved frame rate structure.

I know you can get the highest fidelity and highest frames if money is not an object but for many of us it is. I prefer console gaming due to it's closed eco system and certain exclusives but got to admit the PC gamers were right all along.

Frames>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>graphics!
After getting a gaming laptop, I prefer great art direction AND high framerate like in Sifu and Ori. I would also prefer a stable 30 fps over a caring 50-60 fps.

Overall I agree. It really does make a difference in a lot of games. It is better visually to look at as well. I would possibly trade framerate for advanced physics and AI though.
 
As of now, fuck this place, fuck GAF, I'm done.
So that's my final straw. Fuck this place, no point in staying in a hostile environment. I'm probably a ban a way. No point in spending money here, for what? Only to get silenced? Fuck that
Send me a pm. I'm done with GAF
Nah I'm done. Fuck gaf. There's no point in staying, when you let people run rampant like this. There's no point in staying. I'm leaving to a better place that let's people speak. Fuck censoring shit, it's 2022 for fucks sake
sure takes a long time to leave these days, ha.
(not that i want you leave)
 
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Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Tbf you shouldn't be wrong. However, the truth is i have a 60hz screen with no VRR/Freesync/Gsync nor support for 40hz, but following the steps i said - borderless window, v-sync off, frame limited to 40fps - work in most games (worked with Cyberpunk 2077 for example), no tearing, no input lag, no stutter.

I have no idea why it works - and i'm aware it shouldn't work in theory, for the reasons you said - but it undeniably does as i used it myself.
You are just used to it, just like people are used to 30fps and/or dont notice things like ghosting, black smear, judder, input latency......etc etc.
A bunch of games these days dont even have "real" fullscreen modes, locking to 40fps will lead to a judder when duplicate frames are displayed, some people just arent sensitive to seeing a frame twice every few frames.
Heck ive got IRL friends who play games at below native res with no upscaling or with wildly fluctuating framerates and for them its totally fine.
So i try not to tell people how to enjoy their games, but you are definitely getting duplicate frames at best, it just doesnt bother you.
Which is fine.
 

Guilty_AI

Member
You are just used to it, just like people are used to 30fps and/or dont notice things like ghosting, black smear, judder, input latency......etc etc.
A bunch of games these days dont even have "real" fullscreen modes, locking to 40fps will lead to a judder when duplicate frames are displayed, some people just arent sensitive to seeing a frame twice every few frames.
Heck ive got IRL friends who play games at below native res with no upscaling or with wildly fluctuating framerates and for them its totally fine.
So i try not to tell people how to enjoy their games, but you are definitely getting duplicate frames at best, it just doesnt bother you.
Which is fine.
Trust me, i'm very sensitive to this kind of stuff, so much so i do this precisely because most of the time, playing at 30 or unlocked fps bothers me for the reasons you're mentioning. Naturally 60 fps is still better, but the 40 fps solution i use feels much better to play than all the usual 30 fps solutions i see people recommending.
 
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Black_Stride

do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Trust me, i'm very sensitive to this kind of stuff, so much so i do this precisely because most of the time, playing at 30 or unlocked fps bothers me for the reasons you're mentioning. Naturally 60 fps is still better, but the 40 fps solution i use feels much better to play than all the usual 30 fps solutions i see people recommending.
What monitor do you use and with what GPU?
 

lh032

I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
thats why i prefer performance mode over fidelity, sure the resolution and some extra visual setting were missing but the performance mode was worth it compared with the price of a gaming console : D
 
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