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News As Scam Citizen turns eight years old, the single-player campaign still sounds a long way off

ShadowNate

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No, no it's not a scam.
Let's have a look at the most recent comments from their own backers, in a place that is not moderated by CIG (at least not directly) and has people who supported the project early on.


Last official update is close to 9 years old. Lol. What a big scam.
I'm supposed to get a little 3" model, a cool USB drive, and a whole bunch of goodies when the game is done. Should I be worried?
Merry Christmas everyone! I hope this shit stain of a scam doesn't keep you down for the holiday. Take care
I kinda forgot I backed this
Just reminding people this was a scam.

There's more, and I also omitted some more offensive ones, or posts from the same backer.
 

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Unrelated question, is this the level of graphic we can expect from starfield?!
You should ask that to someone who knows about CE2.

Not the level of fidelity that Star Citizen will bring on the table once its out.

It definitely WILL look good though. The trailer from 2021 should give you a good idea for Starfield's graphics

overhauled customizable face system (with the use of photogrammetry):



High-poly and high-rez textured assets:



All new real-time global illumination and lighting system:



All-new animation system with the removal of havok-behaviour and switch to Autodesk Maya:


A completely replaced renderer that draws in all the objects as well as vastly improved LOD over Fallout 4/76



just to name a few, I didn't even touch AI, Pathfinding, Procedual Generation, Vulkan API integration, and so on....
 
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That doesn't make any sense.

RL Stein wrote one Goosebumps book every month for a stretch. JRR Tolkien spent 12 years writing Lord of the Rings.
Right, and JRR Tolkien took money from customers beforehand, missed deadlines by a mile and promises milestones in between right? He was teaching and writing in his spare time.... opps I guess that means SC is also developed in Chris' spare time? 😂

So RL Stein delivered month after month? Lmao what's your point, please don't contradict yourself.
 
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YeulEmeralda

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I would love to see the house Chris Roberts lives in before and after star citizen.
CR isn't doing anything illegal AFAIK but yes he was a washed up has been before the Kickstarter and Star citizen has been funding his lifestyle for almost 15 years now.

CR made more money than the developers of Witcher 3.
 

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They certainly weren't saying that when I originally backed the game - that was back in 2012 and they were claiming a release date of end 2014. OK, I always figured it was going to slip because even at the outset the scope seemed rather ambitious, but I certainly didn't predict that they would not only miss it but not even have a firm completion date nearly a decade later. In fact, I don't think it's an intentional scam - just an example of cosmically bad project management and infinite amounts of can-kicking - but I do think it's least as likely to collapse under it's own weight and unfulfilled promises as it is to ever hit that V1.0 milestone.
It is not legally a scam in that they do not promise anything in concrete and is not liable for it as per kickstarter terms. They already have this half working system, if the money dried up they can just close and say this is the game, and you wont be able to sue it.

What's most probable is that they finally deliver a decade later, and it will be just a shoddy product with tons of features that are not optimised or synchronized.

When their fans talk about the cool features they have, they don't realize that it is easy to make a small section demo than a full fledge working game. That's why Cp2077 and Anthem can make such awesome demos like flights, ai etc, when in reality, making a full complete features work together (especially with server stuffs) is very2 difficult.
 
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It is not legally a scam in that they do not promise anything in concrete and is not liable for it as per kickstarter terms. They already have this half working system, if the money dried up they can just close and say this is the game, and you wont be able to sue it.

What's most probable is that they finally deliver a decade later, and it will be just a shoddy product with tons of features that are not optimised or synchronized.

When their fans talk about the cool features they have, they don't realize that it is easy to make a small section demo than a full fledge working game. That's why Cp2077 and Anthem can make such awesome demos like flights, ai etc, when in reality, making a full complete features work together (especially with server stuffs) is very2 difficult.
Chris Roberts and his finance team are surely etching out some kind of revenue/cost roadmap. As long as the funds keep pouring in, there is no reason to ship a game.

As soon as that ratio starts to drop where costs exceeds new revenue and their corporate coffer dries up then they'll release the game as is, set a price of $60 for any non kickstarter and call it an ongoing early access release for everyone.
 

Bboy AJ

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File a lawsuit just to shake them down through discovery.
 

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Right, and JRR Tolkien took money from customers beforehand, missed deadlines by a mile and promises milestones in between right? He was teaching and writing in his spare time.... opps I guess that means SC is also developed in Chris' spare time? 😂

So RL Stein delivered month after month? Lmao what's your point, please don't contradict yourself.

My point: All games don't need to follow the traditional AAA formula/timeline. Anyone investing in Star Citizen over the last 8 years can easily learn about it prior to spending money.

People are spending money on it because they want to.
 

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Why does a release date matter these days? The game is always connected so it can always receive updates, which is necessary for a game of this scale. Does it make people feel better if there is some arbitrary "release date" that signifies nothing?
So it's a GaaS?
 
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As someone who put I think $25 towards the original kickstarter over the promise of a new game in the style of Wing Commander, I feel like I was 100% lied to and scammed. I am not really sure how anyone at this point can defend any thing about the Squadron 42 aspect of this project. The promise of Squadron 42 is IMO being used right now as a way to continue to string people along and get them to continue to contribute.

As far as the open world universe part of this, there are clearly people playing/using it and enjoying it, if they want to continue to contribute to that...whatever, who cares.

This whole thing would be much more palatable if they just admitted Squadron 42 is never happening and just said hey all we're doing is the open universe in a GAAS model, just please keep giving us money to work on that.
 
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You cant really use that word here as it doesnt apply because exactly like you said, those 'other' games at least released..

Unless you know something?

All I hear about this bag of shit is..

'It looks great'
'It's at least playable'
'It IS coming'
'It's not a scam'
'You're wrong'
'I'm right, it's sooo good'
'This $400 ship is good'
'Chris owns the best yacht'

I mean come the fuck on. At this point all any sane person can do is look and laugh.

So with all that out the way lets not shit on the game and i'll ask you. When do you personally think the game will release?
They'd be wise to just make it an ever-evolving expansive MMO. But for what most consider content-complete, I'd say 3-5 years. This game is massively expansive, detailed and rich.
 

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What's lifetime insurance in Star Citizen?
Basically if your ship gets blown up you do not have to buy a new one.

The economy was that if you had a ship you needed insurance. You would lose everything if you got in a battle and someone destroyed your ship with out insurance. Everything was going to be able to be stolen. So you could spend real money on a ship go into the game and someone could steal it, and it was theirs unless you stole it back or had insurance.
 

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You should ask that to someone who knows about CE2.

Not the level of fidelity that Star Citizen will bring on the table once its out.

It definitely WILL look good though. The trailer from 2021 should give you a good idea for Starfield's graphics

overhauled customizable face system (with the use of photogrammetry):



High-poly and high-rez textured assets:



All new real-time global illumination and lighting system:



All-new animation system with the removal of havok-behaviour and switch to Autodesk Maya:


A completely replaced renderer that draws in all the objects as well as vastly improved LOD over Fallout 4/76



just to name a few, I didn't even touch AI, Pathfinding, Procedual Generation, Vulkan API integration, and so on....
Did you just use fallout engine for comparison? That thing is older than you.
 

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You cannot even argue this game IS 20% finished.

It's not even 1% finished. The original plan was HUNDREDS of star systems with over a thousand planets FULLY explorable with THOUSANDS of fellow players. Pipedreams. They cannot even get an SINGLE instance with over a few hundred people to run properly with a SINGLE star system. SC supporters love to bag on Elite Dangerous and yet TO THIS DAY cannot achieve 1/10000000th of what Elite Dangerous has provided. I am a $40 backer of this game and every single update I jump in for maybe an hour. It's empty and lifeless and glitched to fuck.

Even the positive talk in this thread from backers are laughable. "So I played three very simple missions and talked to some players in a bar" Hello, that's awful for a damn near ten year old project? Nevermind the whole "i don't ever want this game to be 'finished'" type of mentality. The product THAT WAS PROMISED and SOLD will never be there. Squadron won't be there like was promised and sold.

That is a scam. The promised product will never exist. When technology gets to the point where they can provide the instances as they had promised and they can provide the star systems in numbers they sold us this game will already be out of date. It's already out of date in so much of the code. Hence all the glitches and bugs and problems like falling through your ship, missions that are so mindnumbingly BASIC that still don't work and glitch out is ridiculous.

Play the game, have fun with the small little "sandbox" they created but it is NO WHERE near what was sold and promised. It's not even 1% done. And what is done is a broken mess. AI and NPCs that would make the worst game look like GOTY. Anybody who boguht this and is having fun, congratulations but you're lying to yourself if you think this is what you WANTED and PAID for at ten years of development. You're lying. You know you're lying. Sure you might be having fun (and really what you mean is you're having MORE fun than you anticipated knowing how far behind the development is, thats all you mean) but the VERY VERY low bar of expectations is this low because of TEN YEARS. That's all. You've set the bar so fucking low after waiting all this time that you and I both know you're just happy to jump into your spaceship and TRY to play the game. That's not what we paid for after ten years.

Real backer talk.
 

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They'd be wise to just make it an ever-evolving expansive MMO. But for what most consider content-complete, I'd say 3-5 years. This game is massively expansive, detailed and rich.
Well if they can get off their arses and finish it, and it be good, i'll buy it day one.
 

YeulEmeralda

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No it's CR's onlyfans account.

It's sad because I actually played WC back in the 90s. Fuck the gaming industry and community has completely gone to shit.
 

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65$ then (at a minimum) so like you have to buy squadron 42 after that too right?

SQ42 is separate, but still cheap if you buy a SC package and SQ42. But for many years, packages had both in it.
 
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Why does a release date matter these days? The game is always connected so it can always receive updates, which is necessary for a game of this scale. Does it make people feel better if there is some arbitrary "release date" that signifies nothing?


"Today for the low low price of $20,000 you can have all of the oxygen in your ships replaced 100% pure weapons grade copium" - Chris Roberts
 
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Well if they can get off their arses and finish it, and it be good, i'll buy it day one.
They have their development roadmap on their website. I don't think it's a matter of them getting off their asses as much as the scope and scale of the game is tremendous. People can play it right now in its current state.

not to mention, each type of ship has a purpose relative to game activities.


for $10 / Month you get a free ship a month that gets swapped out at the end of the month.
 
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Nobody_Important

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They have their development roadmap on their website. I don't think it's a matter of them getting off their asses as much as the scope and scale of the game is tremendous. People can play it right now in its current state.

not to mention, each type of ship has a purpose relative to game activities.
Their roadmaps are not worth the paper they are printed on.


They said Squadron 42 would come at the end of 2015. Their latest update only had 3 of the promised features in it which is less than a FOURTH of what was supposed to be there.


Their "roadmap" is worthless.
 

Claus Grimhildyr

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They have their development roadmap on their website. I don't think it's a matter of them getting off their asses as much as the scope and scale of the game is tremendous. People can play it right now in its current state.

not to mention, each type of ship has a purpose relative to game activities.


for $10 / Month you get a free ship a month that gets swapped out at the end of the month.

Do you get paid for shilling and defending this scam? Or are you doing it for free?
 

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They have their development roadmap on their website. I don't think it's a matter of them getting off their asses as much as the scope and scale of the game is tremendous. People can play it right now in its current state.

not to mention, each type of ship has a purpose relative to game activities.


for $10 / Month you get a free ship a month that gets swapped out at the end of the month.
Ignore the roadmap, none of it has mattered. They only made one initially because of the backlash on lack of production or schedule. Then they never followed it. they have no schedule or budget or deadline.
 
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You should ask that to someone who knows about CE2.

Not the level of fidelity that Star Citizen will bring on the table once its out.

It definitely WILL look good though. The trailer from 2021 should give you a good idea for Starfield's graphics

overhauled customizable face system (with the use of photogrammetry):



High-poly and high-rez textured assets:



All new real-time global illumination and lighting system:



All-new animation system with the removal of havok-behaviour and switch to Autodesk Maya:


A completely replaced renderer that draws in all the objects as well as vastly improved LOD over Fallout 4/76



just to name a few, I didn't even touch AI, Pathfinding, Procedual Generation, Vulkan API integration, and so on....


All it proves is that technology itself is not enough to build great games.
You can have all the technology in the world and all the money in the world and still get nowhere in game development.

If feature creep had a Face, it would probably be a Star Citizen NPC's.
In glorious 4K , 20 layer of textures glory that serve no purpose other than looking good and takes ages for a team of artists to build.

All I see what I look at StarCitizen nowadays is opportunity Cost, they simply don't put the money where it's going to make a better game.
It feels to me like a giant tech demo, a game made by artist and programmers but no designers anywhere to question the WHY of it all.

StarCitizen in one GIF :
ryan reynolds hd GIF
 
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Do you get paid for shilling and defending this scam? Or are you doing it for free?
No, I’m not really close to the situation at hand. But if they were doing something wrong, they wouldn’t have any users. From what I can tell, this game is huge, and we know that all games with a giant scope Have unforeseen issues with them. But from what I can tell, this game is much larger than cyberpunk and somehow manages to have fewer bugs.
 

Claus Grimhildyr

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No, I’m not really close to the situation at hand. But if they were doing something wrong, they wouldn’t have any users. From what I can tell, this game is huge, and we know that all games with a giant scope Have unforeseen issues with them. But from what I can tell, this game is much larger than cyberpunk and somehow manages to have fewer bugs.
Just because they have users doesn't mean they aren't doing anything wrong. There are literally hundreds to thousands of games that still have players and are constantly referred to has having problems. World of Warcraft being one of the largest.

As for bugs, its easy to not have many bugs when you have so very few moving parts.
 

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No, I’m not really close to the situation at hand. But if they were doing something wrong, they wouldn’t have any users.
If bernie madoff had been doing something wrong, he wouldn't have had any investors.

Oh wait..

People throwing money at something unfortunately isn't at all a sign that something is sensible, or even legitimate.

Having said that, I don't think star citizen was, or is, intended to be a scam. If it was, Chris Roberts wouldn't employ and pay nearly a thousand people (he could've run a scam with much much fewer people at lower costs to keep it going).

I do however think the guy most be an absolutely awful manager and game developer. It's absolutely fine - nay, great even - to be ambitious. But if you're overambitious and can't deliver, it reflects very poorly on your competency.
If after almost a decade and record breaking funding, you have very very little to show for and no clear release timeline.. It's fairly evident which category of person he is.
 
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Utherellus

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You should ask that to someone who knows about CE2.

Not the level of fidelity that Star Citizen will bring on the table once its out.

It definitely WILL look good though. The trailer from 2021 should give you a good idea for Starfield's graphics

overhauled customizable face system (with the use of photogrammetry):



High-poly and high-rez textured assets:



All new real-time global illumination and lighting system:



All-new animation system with the removal of havok-behaviour and switch to Autodesk Maya:


A completely replaced renderer that draws in all the objects as well as vastly improved LOD over Fallout 4/76



just to name a few, I didn't even touch AI, Pathfinding, Procedual Generation, Vulkan API integration, and so on....


Starfield and Creation Engine 2 will be eye candy for sure. But I agree: Squadron 42 is different level. Plus they constantly upgrade their pipeline quality.








 
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Starfield and Creation Engine 2 will be eye candy for sure. But I agree: Squadron 42 is different level. Plus they constantly upgrade their pipeline quality.








Wait, wait, wait...

You're telling me despite how nowhere near finished this game is, they managed to get all this Hollywood talent? Is this a full single player game within their unfinished game?
 
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