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Axios: Microsoft misses Xbox Game Pass subscriber target for second year
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feynoob
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There is no consistancy with their output, during that period. Which explains their poor output.
Hope their 20+ studio can find that rhythm. This gen is where they need to put their mouth, where it belongs.
If they cant achieve that, there is no hope for them.
Swift_Star
Banned
Starfield isn’t going to give gamepass the boost you all think it will.
TLZ
Banned
This is exactly what they want. Get the vital money making games, put them on their service, then offer their service to everyone who wants those games for their customers.
feynoob
Banned
IT will through gamepass pc.
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Thirty7ven
Banned
No you see Starfield bigger than Halo and Forza combined.
Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
Tomorrow French CMA will investigate why Mona Lisa is exhibited uniquely at the Louvre. "Lessening of competition", amirite?
Thirty7ven
Banned
Should be framed and stored as NFT, the entire concept of illiteracy distilled into avant-garde posting, it has everything from cultural identity to bureaucracy, historical art, time and place folding on itself connecting a 14th century renaissance man to 21st century console wars in a singular shit post.
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DaGwaphics
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Cyberpunkd
Gold Member
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Thinking while 
. This "GP is profitable" BS + GP missing the mark.
Is just stresses the point of how important/critical content is. And not any content.we are talking about the AAA GOTY/ Zeitgeist/New IP/Sequels are.(the content that actually moves the needle/matters)
Philly Says a lot of things, green influencers like Jez "expert analysts" Corden laydowns the master plan. Yet:
Xbox just had one of worst years (of a consistently weak release schedule) of such content.
It doesn't matter the business model, at the end of the day you need that content frequently enough.
Even with Activision/Blizzard, this issue is not solved. Why?
1. MS first Party output was/is so pathetically behind that adding Zenimax+Acti/Blizz is going to make MS's output roughly on par with PlayStation's = Good for competition but not enough to make this "Mastet Plan" to work. Especially when:
2. This critical content is already established with communities outside Xbox ecosystem (CoD, Minecraft, Overwatch).
a) or you make them exclusive (and piss off 66% of the market)
b) leave them as is (which negates their purpose as "First Party" content)
c) some of them are already Free to Play in which GP becomes totally irrelevant.
3. This content takes a long ass time to make. Just to put in perspective: Starfield comes next year...how many years is going to take for Bethesda to release their next AAA game? 5 to 7 years?. We all know how much time Blizzard takes to make games as well.
If you see the entirety of MS first party/Acquisitons you have a shit tons of Studios....how many of those are able to make this critical content?....yep, the list is dramatically reduce. Even smaller studios like double fine take a long ass time to make a game that should take no more that 3 years.
So, the question is:
Is Game Pass the Keystone in which the success (as in: finally be able to take the number 1 and beyond -Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook- of the gaming market)? ....Or not?
These flip-flopping, weirdly vague statements from Phill a couple of months before the year in which we are supposed to witnesses the the arrival of the mythical "wait until next year". Are just sus.
. This "GP is profitable" BS + GP missing the mark.Is just stresses the point of how important/critical content is. And not any content.we are talking about the AAA GOTY/ Zeitgeist/New IP/Sequels are.(the content that actually moves the needle/matters)
Philly Says a lot of things, green influencers like Jez "expert analysts" Corden laydowns the master plan. Yet:
Xbox just had one of worst years (of a consistently weak release schedule) of such content.
It doesn't matter the business model, at the end of the day you need that content frequently enough.
Even with Activision/Blizzard, this issue is not solved. Why?
1. MS first Party output was/is so pathetically behind that adding Zenimax+Acti/Blizz is going to make MS's output roughly on par with PlayStation's = Good for competition but not enough to make this "Mastet Plan" to work. Especially when:
2. This critical content is already established with communities outside Xbox ecosystem (CoD, Minecraft, Overwatch).
a) or you make them exclusive (and piss off 66% of the market)
b) leave them as is (which negates their purpose as "First Party" content)
c) some of them are already Free to Play in which GP becomes totally irrelevant.
3. This content takes a long ass time to make. Just to put in perspective: Starfield comes next year...how many years is going to take for Bethesda to release their next AAA game? 5 to 7 years?. We all know how much time Blizzard takes to make games as well.
If you see the entirety of MS first party/Acquisitons you have a shit tons of Studios....how many of those are able to make this critical content?....yep, the list is dramatically reduce. Even smaller studios like double fine take a long ass time to make a game that should take no more that 3 years.
So, the question is:
Is Game Pass the Keystone in which the success (as in: finally be able to take the number 1 and beyond -Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook- of the gaming market)? ....Or not?
These flip-flopping, weirdly vague statements from Phill a couple of months before the year in which we are supposed to witnesses the the arrival of the mythical "wait until next year". Are just sus.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That post was made without knowing exactly what months were being covered in the fiscal report, don't pat yourself on the back that hard
Could be. Could very well be.
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feynoob
Banned
????Thinking while
Is just stresses the point of how important/critical content is. And not any content.we are talking about the AAA GOTY/ Zeitgeist/New IP/Sequels are.(the content that actually moves the needle/matters)
Philly Says a lot of things, green influencers like Jez "expert analysts" Corden laydowns the master plan. Yet:
Xbox just had one of worst years (of a consistently weak release schedule) of such content.
It doesn't matter the business model, at the end of the day you need that content frequently enough.
Even with Activision/Blizzard, this issue is not solved. Why?
1. MS first Party output was/is so pathetically behind that adding Zenimax+Acti/Blizz is going to make MS's output roughly on par with PlayStation's = Good for competition but not enough to make this "Mastet Plan" to work. Especially when:
2. This critical content is already established with communities outside Xbox ecosystem (CoD, Minecraft, Overwatch).
a) or you make them exclusive (and piss off 66% of the market)
b) leave them as is (which negates their purpose as "First Party" content)
c) some of them are already Free to Play in which GP becomes totally irrelevant.
3. This content takes a long ass time to make. Just to put in perspective: Starfield comes next year...how many years is going to take for Bethesda to release their next AAA game? 5 to 7 years?. We all know how much time Blizzard takes to make games as well.
If you see the entirety of MS first party/Acquisitons you have a shit tons of Studios....how many of those are able to make this critical content?....yep, the list is dramatically reduce. Even smaller studios like double fine take a long ass time to make a game that should take no more that 3 years.
So, the question is:
Is Game Pass the Keystone in which the success (as in: finally be able to take the number 1 and beyond -Google, Amazon, Apple, Facebook- of the gaming market)? ....Or not?
These flip-flopping, weirdly vague statements from Phill a couple of months before the year in which we are supposed to witnesses the the arrival of the mythical "wait until next year". Are just sus.
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Gamepass can't be moves just by having Goty games alone(Goty is just for forum people).
You need diversity content. All kind of genres, in order to get majority of people.
Even with that move, its still not enough.
The xbox series consoles are limiting the growth of gamepass. Because they aren't selling 20m a year. It will take them 3 years to hit 40+m. That is not enough.
Which is why MS needs other avenue to reach for my gamers. Cloud gaming is important to them, to achieve that.
All these cry for AAA first party games won't fix gamepass issues.
MS should focus on increasing gamepass PC, and try to make a deal with steam. That move would raise gamepass numbers. Until then, gamepass won't be growing super fast.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
Opening the GP market to millions of cloud users and all the "Publisher of the year 2021" games like Halo and Forza only gave them a 28% increase. And that was with popular PC stuff like Age of Empires 4 and Flight Sim too.
The people interested in stuff like Starfield is already subscribed. PC users will prefer playing on Steam because of modding and cloud mobile users for massive RPGs don't exist.
The only growth will come from Series console for new users (not upgrading from X One and not subscribed to GP).
Reality is hitting you hard. This thread is going so slow. No spinning or damage control possibleThat post was made without knowing exactly what months were being covered in the fiscal report, don't pat yourself on the back that hard
They scaredAt this point people are trolling here.
That is to be expected. Anytime gamepass is mentioned, the troll won't stop.
I guess trolls gotta be trolls.
PeteBull
Member
Lets hope phil doesnt read it coz with MS kind of money he would be desperate enough to do it, if valve was public trading company, luckily for us, it isnt, and Gaben has final say;D
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Set an unrealistic target and you’ll get a realistic result.
73% lol wow…
73% lol wow…
Banjo64
cumsessed
It unironically is, yes.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
When does sonys figures come out? It's important to see how the market leader has been affected in this start of an economic downturn. If they can weather the storm hats off to them.
vivftp
Member
Nov 1st
Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
Not sure what that has to do with my post
Yeah, it's a weird reply
Chukhopops
Member
The moment I saw people treating « growing by 28% YoY » as « absolutely collapsing and about to self-destruct » I knew the thread was going nowhere fast.At this point people are trolling here.
That is to be expected. Anytime gamepass is mentioned, the troll won't stop.
I guess trolls gotta be trolls.
It’s ok though, everyone processes grief differently and there’s a lot of grieving now that GP is actually profitable.
GhostOfTsu
Banned
They went up 37% the year before without any big release. 73% with all their big 2021 games coming out and the cloud expansion wasn't that high. The growth actually went down to 28% in 2021, a magnificent year for them. Publisher of the year according to Metacritic.
The year before that (2020) they went up 85.75% so 73% was not pie in the sky crazy target.
Sony already reached saturation with PS+ (50 millions). They don't have PC or Cloud to expand.
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Kikorin
Member
I think at first the growth of Gamepass was related to the insane price deals they did, I remember I bought months of the service for basically nothing, then they sent me 3 free months more for free in mail. Now, if they don't want to give it away for 1€, they need to release big games and sell a lot of consoles.
Yeah, they are currently struggling on both fronts.
Will also be interesting to see how hard they push the Riot deal/benefits whenever it finally happens.
Superayate
Member
2020 was a year of really big increase for all home Entertainment business so this 85.75% was simply possible due to that. Since beginning 2022 it's clearly not the same story for deifferent reasons, and they did not start from the same number so stop with stupid comparison.
The marketing agreement contracts go all the way back to 2015. Why did this supposed gamepass problem start this year? Just because the RE8 contract leaked in 2021 due to an Epic court case? MS stopped paying the big bucks to third parties and started spending big on acquiring major publishers like Zenimax and Activision. You trying to blame somebody else is a copout.
Negotiator
Member
They just need a new lockdown for Game Pass subscribers to skyrocket. Netflix has the same woes, since it peaked in 2020-2021.
The climate paranoia is coming next and should "help"...
The climate paranoia is coming next and should "help"...
damiank
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GhostOfTsu
Banned
The 86% was from July 2019 to June 2020. The pandemic was barely starting. There was no widespread shutdowns yet.
Bonfires Down
Member
No they aren't. It's the fastest selling Xbox generation.
feynoob
Banned
Why are you hell bent on defending Sony?
Every one knows Sony wants to defend their marketing investment. So blocking gamepass access is sure way to ensure that. Or else, MS would get those games either day1 or 6 months later.
Also, what does those acquisition have anything to do with this topic?
MS bringing games to gamepass from 3rd party is not always succesful. This is them losing victoria 3 from windows store, and gamepass. Its up to developers whether to accept MS deal or not.
Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
If MS isn't offering devs enough money to be on gamepass that isn't Sony's fault
feynoob
Banned
I dont think the console situation would improve at the moment. Its going to very slow until 2025.
PC is their best shot at the moment. That riot deal is the very step to do it. Also improving the windows store, allowing moding more would also make their pc gamepass even more attractive. And since PC isnt restricted like consoles, its easier for PC gamepass to explode fast.
Currently total sub is 25m.
estimate 10m console users until 2025, due to slow console manufacturing.
Estimate 20m pc gamepass growth, should they invest heavily on pc gamepass.
total userbase in 2025 would be 55m.
That is one way, they can hit higher numbers.
feynoob
Banned
are people not reading at all?
Paying more money doesnt guarentee the deal.
Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
Okay so what reason did the devs end up dropping gamepass then
feynoob
Banned
Nov1 is gonna be spicy.
feynoob
Banned
Like every deal. If both party dont reach agreement, then there is no deal.
Having too much money doesnt always guarentee you getting the deal 100% of the time.
You have studio, who are thinking like this.
here is take 2 point
TheGodfather07
Member
The fact that Phil Spencer himself said subscriptions ain't the future and growth is slowing says it all. Many people thought subscriptions and specifically, gamepass, were going to take over the industry and become the normal way people consume content.
Ass of Can Whooping
Banned
Okay, you still haven't answered the question.
A game with a marketing contract with Sony. Lol
AKA our games make too much money for anyone to realistically offer us enough money to add our games day one
Harold Lloyd
Neo Member
Maybe struggling is the wrong summary.
I think they are still supplied constrained in certain markets, especially in the US. That's a struggle and Spencer did say that they would be supply constrained this holiday.
I also think that they need additional content for the mass market (personally I am very happy cause my brain is still thinking about citizen sleeper and norco and excited about sommerville/Pentiment/signalis) to push series s sales.
feynoob
Banned
Sony is blocking MS attemp to negotiate with those devs. If you cant understand that, then this topic isnt going anywhere.
IF that clause didnt exist, MS will enter the negotiation part. If the devs agree to it. MS would put those games on gamepass. If they dont, then they would go to the next game.
Not every studios would have the same mindset. There are pro gamepass who wants to reach more audience, and there are anti gamepass, who are looking after their pocket.
