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Could the Ps5 do quick resume if Sony desired it to?
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Max Payne’s Baretta
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Yup sure .Mark Cernys fault. He got me used to custom I/O and architecture.
Yeah obviously the ram gets copied to the ssd and then loaded back into the ram again. So it would eat at ssd storage IF used. If it is not then you can usw the space in anpther way. So you could make the User choose. Also this method is way old. My old snes emulators had save states over a decade ago.
So can Sony Do it? Yes, obviously.
Why dont they? They probably have enough other Features for the System that are higher on the priority list.
Should they have it? Depends what the other Features are that would be postponed for the time this feature needs development. Would the console be better if it hat this optional feature? Absolutly. Iam not the Kind of Player that would use it but give the people who want it the option to use it.
Is it an important feature? For me personally, no. But many love it so theres a good Chance it will come in the future imo.
So can Sony Do it? Yes, obviously.
Why dont they? They probably have enough other Features for the System that are higher on the priority list.
Should they have it? Depends what the other Features are that would be postponed for the time this feature needs development. Would the console be better if it hat this optional feature? Absolutly. Iam not the Kind of Player that would use it but give the people who want it the option to use it.
Is it an important feature? For me personally, no. But many love it so theres a good Chance it will come in the future imo.
JLB
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HeisenbergFX4
Gold Member
I hope they do their amazing single player experiences are a match made in heaven for a quick resume type of feature
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You mean like game sub services and streaming games now? Or how single player story driven games will also be the rage boner soon too after almost a decade of hand waving?
We can do this all day. That's how lame the great war back and forth is. Hell, the uncle Phil #MeToo's Bobby Kotick thread had enough primates showing their pink asses
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
But now imagine you didn't need to go to a card and you could load into ratchet exactly where you left it, then jump into a run in returnal, play for a bit then go into miles morales where you were, then into demons souls mid run...etc....and back to ghosts.
I currently have psychonauts 2, a mid run mission on gears tactics (criminally under rated game) forza 5, halo multiplayer, it takes two, red dead 2 in the wilderness for my daughter to ride the horse and more in quick resume.
I don't even think about it. I just click a game and it usually has a quick resume where I just continue. It's a brilliant feature that you don't have to think about when you are using it.
I hope Sony adds it.
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Bogroll
Likes moldy games
And what the fuck do you know you've only just had your Ps5.You mean like game sub services and streaming games now? Or how single player story driven games will also be the rage boner soon too after almost a decade of hand waving?
We can do this all day. That's how lame the great war back and forth is. Hell, the uncle Phil #MeToo's Bobby Kotick thread had enough primates showing their pink asses
Here's my quote from the thread about Xbox being able to stream games to Xbox consoles.
The war is in your head you prick.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
WTF does this have to do with my comment? We are talking hypocritical console war narratives, innit?
So why even bring it up then? Other than to have argumentative tripe?
I'm proud of you, bby boi, but we are talking about the overall narratives, as you were blanketing... but since you took in personally, IDK what to tell you.
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FrankWza
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You mean like game sub services and streaming games now? Or how single player story driven games will also be the rage boner soon too after almost a decade of hand waving?
We can do this all day. That's how lame the great war back and forth is. Hell, the uncle Phil #MeToo's Bobby Kotick thread had enough primates showing their pink asses
MasterCornholio
Member
saintjules
Member
Supposedly iit was a feature that was coming in the future according to some rumors before launch. Probably no longer?
www.resetera.com
Will PS5 have quick resume between multiple games? (update: no)
I see Polygon says that too. If that's indeed true that's a huge unforced error. Doesn't affect me since I'm at 120Mbps with no data caps but for people in less developped countries without proper broadband it's very bad.
www.resetera.com
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Bogroll
Likes moldy games
Your right regarding the blanket. I read it wrong (I've had a drink earlier than normal) I take back the prick comment I apologize . I've been the prick. Got a bit frustrated by people who appear to have no experience of it who don't have both. Why would anyone turn down the option if you don't have to use it baffles me.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Supposedly iit was a feature that was coming in the future according to some rumors before launch. Probably no longer?
Will PS5 have quick resume between multiple games? (update: no)
I see Polygon says that too. If that's indeed true that's a huge unforced error. Doesn't affect me since I'm at 120Mbps with no data caps but for people in less developped countries without proper broadband it's very bad.
Again, not quite sure how it'd work on the PS5. They're able to do it on the Xbox because the way the system (since the Xbox One) uses virtualization for games. They're basically just checking the suspend box on a VM to suspend it. PlayStation games aren't running as a VM.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
All good bro, we all passionate gamers in the end, otherwise we would not be here on Gaf. And I agree with you.
Kokoloko85
Member
I dont know why anyone wouldnt want this feature or at least the option being available.
PS5 doesnt have this feature, yes it loads your games super quick and sometimes skips the intro’s but alot of the time it doesnt either. And you can’t just jump into a game you were playing before at the exact time.
Its like the only feature Id like from Xbox. Even if its for 2-3 games. I like to jump into my session on everybody’s gold or Driveclub etc quick time and the loading turn me off from playing a quick match or 2.
PS5 doesnt have this feature, yes it loads your games super quick and sometimes skips the intro’s but alot of the time it doesnt either. And you can’t just jump into a game you were playing before at the exact time.
Its like the only feature Id like from Xbox. Even if its for 2-3 games. I like to jump into my session on everybody’s gold or Driveclub etc quick time and the loading turn me off from playing a quick match or 2.
saintjules
Member
I was looking at the switcher feature between two games in the menus earlier.
I know I'm not looking at it more on a technological level, but it feels like it could have been possible under switcher in some way. Why not just go to "home" and select a game at the top versus the switcher then?
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ManaByte
Gold Member
I was looking at the switcher feature between two games in the menus earlier.
I know I'm not looking at it more on a technological level, but it feels like it could have been possible under switcher in some way. Why not just go to "home" and select a game at the top versus the switcher then?
Those aren't suspended games. It's basically a history, the Xbox does the same thing on the guide. Again, the feature works on the Xbox because each game is a VM in suspended state when they're in Quick Resume.
Suspend-VM (Hyper-V)
Use this topic to help manage Windows and Windows Server technologies with Windows PowerShell.
docs.microsoft.com
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
I’m sure they could, but more importantly let’s get some goddamn BC.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Yes, it's not, but it's groundwork with a UI element already in place for something that is supposedly in the works and has been prior to launch. Matt knows his shit.Those aren't suspended games. It's basically a history, the Xbox does the same thing on the guide. Again, the feature works on the Xbox because each game is a VM in suspended state when they're in Quick Resume.
Suspend-VM (Hyper-V)
Use this topic to help manage Windows and Windows Server technologies with Windows PowerShell.docs.microsoft.com
If it comes, then great, it will probably be tied into their compression and decompression tech, if not, then it doesn't.
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HoofHearted
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Are you all just bored today? Got nothing to do other than argue about a few seconds difference in loading times of a video game?
i spent more time ”waiting” on a game to load having to get up and go over to my Nintendo or sega to switch out cartridges…
Just enjoy the capabilities of both consoles…
I think some here would argue over the directional shift in the wind when a gnat farts…
i spent more time ”waiting” on a game to load having to get up and go over to my Nintendo or sega to switch out cartridges…
Just enjoy the capabilities of both consoles…
I think some here would argue over the directional shift in the wind when a gnat farts…
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GHG
Member
Well it's either that or you're severely impatient.
Take your pick.
I know, it's just that the 10-20 seconds it takes for me to exit a game and then load into a new one isn't a big deal at all. It's also very rare that I'll juggle more than one game in a single evening.
SmurfMustard
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RoadHazard
Gold Member
I don't really jump from game to game that much. In the last month or so I've been playing literally only Ghost of Tsushima, 84 hours of it (I'm now at 100% completion). And that's how it usually is, I focus on one game at a time. And if I DO want to play one game one day and another the next, the 30 seconds I lose from having to switch makes no difference in my life.
Please can we keep the obvious console wars out of here. If you don’t like the feature fine.
Might be good to make it optional if you don’t want it to gain back ssd space.
ManaByte
Gold Member
I don’t notice any missing SSD space with Quick Resume.
cireza
Member
My Series X certainly did not come with 1 full TB of data available. You can be sure that a lot of space is being reserved to hold the memory dumps of all the games that are in quick resume.
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
ManaByte
Gold Member
No partitioned HDD does.
The XSX has 802 after the drive is formatted with a partition for the OS (there are actually two partitions on modern Xboxes). The PS5 has 667 available.
The HDD size after formatting doesn’t have anything to do with Quick Resume.
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cragarmi
Member
Yep this is the main reason, no Hypervisor
cireza
Member
Quick Resume has reserved space, accounted in the OS space. The data has to be stored somewhere... The console has 16 GB of ram, so whenever you put a game in Quick Resume, all of its RAM has to be dumped on the SSD. Let's suppose that some RAM is reserved for the OS, you are still probably dumping at least 12 GB. If Quick Resume allows for five games at once, then that's 12 x 5 GB that are reserved for the feature = 60 GB. Accounted for in the 200 GB used by the OS, obviously.
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SenkiDala
Member
Yeah
And who the fuck made this list ? Almost everything is wrong on the list, for exemple some games I played and that ARE 100% quick resume compatible (I just bothered trying back each of them to be sure) and are said to be NOT compatible in the list :
Far Cry 5
Halo MCC
Doom
FFXV
FFX Remastered
FFXII
Resident Evil Remake
Resident Evil 2 Remake
Resident Evil 3 Remake
Resident Evil VII
Watch Dogs Legion
So wtf ? Is it made by "Sony4ever&fuckMS.com" ?
It's just some of the games I typed, to be honest NONE OF THE GAME that I've searched are said to be compatible except that they're in fact ALL compatible.
After a year of XSX usage, 95% of the games (all : XS, Xbox One, 360, OG) are compatible, so come on, don't spread fake informations.
ManaByte
Gold Member
Even if it is, then it's a finite amount of reserved space. The XSX OS takes up about 198GB (thus the 802 usable) while the PS5 OS is about 152GB. XSX runs on Win10 Core, while the PS5 OS is Linux-based.
It's not like it's eating up your SSD with an ever increasing mystery "OTHER" folder that has 50GB of data that you can't see or delete.
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cireza
Member
This is not what I was saying, and this OTHER folder is quite a joke indeed.
I added a few explanation in my previous post. A quick raw estimate of what can be reserved for Quick Resume. Probably around 50 GB in my opinion.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Probably the same way the PS4/5 are able to suspend games, only for several games at once? Just write everything in RAM to the SSD. I don't see why that couldn't be done.
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ManaByte
Gold Member
The PS4/PS5 are able to suspend 1 game because it's what's currently loaded into memory, it's not being written onto the SSD.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Yes, but I'm saying: Why couldn't they write that to the SSD and later recall it?
Aenima
Member
Games that have a gamecard to resume a game from the last save, lets you cold boot a game by bypassing all loading screans and go straight to your game. Its a cold boot that takes about 8 seconts to go from the console OS to ingame.
I dont really see a need for a quick resume feature. What i would like to see was ALL games using the gamecard system to let you resume your game since not all games use that feauture to launch the game.
I dont really see a need for a quick resume feature. What i would like to see was ALL games using the gamecard system to let you resume your game since not all games use that feauture to launch the game.
ReBurn
Gold Member
Are there cards that take you to exactly where you were when you stopped playing, yet? That's the one thing I like about quick resume. I go right back to the spot I was in and don't lose progression since the last save. All of my games on PS5 just take me to a predetermined loading point, which is ok, but not quite the same.
Quezacolt
Member
if sure it could, but honestly, with how premium SSD's space is, i dont see why bother with that. do people really want to sacrifice 100's of GB's just for a quick resume? the new console's loadings are already so fast anyway, or maybe i just don't see a point in this, because i dont change between 3 or more games constantly. I usually focus on one game at a time.
Tripolygon
Banned
Because quick resume is a system-level game save state. While on PS5 developers need to actually implement on a game-by-game basis the activity card feature. That is why some games can load pretty fast and others don't. I think Sony can implement quick resume if they want and it would be easy. They already have the game switcher UI for game switching already which I incorrectly assumed would do the same thing. They just now need to dump the RAM into the SSD.
Aenima
Member
No, the cards take you to the last save. Is like loading a save from the console OS with the game turned off. Some games like Spider-Man can use the cards to take u to especific locations in the game, for example in spider man you can select a card to take u to a NPC to start side missions, or in the case of games like Astro Playroom thers multiple cards that let you select diferent levels and boot the game from the start of the level u select from the card.
The resuming a game from the place u are without saving works only when u put the console in rest mode and then resume back to the game. But i dont really see a need for Sony to implement a system like quick resume for multiple games, when the cards can be used to cold boot games fast and can even take u to diferent places.
Even without any cards, cold booting a game is pretty fast with the SSDs, so while quick resume is a cool feauture is not really something that i find its needed, especially if it needs to eat up SSD space.
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Chickenwing10
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While it's a nice feature, i never have used it, and i would never notice if they stopped doing it. I feel old school but i always close app when I'm done and never feel comfortable leaving a game in resume.
Tripolygon
Banned
You are talking about a hypervisor, all consoles use a hypervisor to segregate games and apps from the main system. It's a layer of security. PS4 for instance has 2 operating systems running simultaneously, one runs in the Southbridge and pretty much controls access to the GPU and other systems devices, and is also in charge of low power mode operations when the system is in standby mode.