SpiceRacz
Member
What are you talking about? Do you just throw around terms like this when you disagree with people?
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What are you talking about? Do you just throw around terms like this when you disagree with people?
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
So exactly what is your point again?
SpiceRacz
Member
Amazing. It's like you came in here and started posting without reading anything.
funkygunther
Banned
I guess we’re done talking about South West airlines now then
DeaDPo0L84
Member
Me and my wife flew back into town this past Sunday and we were really confused why the terminals for southwest were extremely backed up yet everyone else seemed relatively normal. It wasn't until Monday it became clear why. Glad to see people having an impact when standing up against these mandates.Southwest cancels more than 2,000 flights this week.
Southwest implements vaccine mandate 7 days ago.
Southwest promises the cancellations have nothing to do with the mandates.
Establishment media covers for them by lying to the American public.
Most of the country doesn't care that our media is essentially what Chinese State Media has been for decades.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
What people?
DeaDPo0L84
Member
I've been reading up on different reports since the last time so there's a lot more information. Still all seems a bit too coincidental and also odd they chose to lie about why the delays were occurring. All the same it was a really shitty situation and happy to not get caught up in it.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
It's not about violins, it's not even about CNN, it's about your ability to live as a functioning human. If you don't know how to process information and you go around believing the sky is yellow because CNN said it was blue, that becomes your problem.
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
What?
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
Reality not being what you expected it to be =/= they chose to lie.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
CNN says the sky is yellow.
BouncyFrag
Member
CNN is hot garbage.
12Goblins
Lil’ Gobbie
it's tabloid trash, but the shit you watch is somehow even less credible so I fail to see your point ?
MisterFalcon
Member
"Ivermectin is prescribed to billions" is also a lie, not nearly that amount of people live in the countries where it is used. Billions of doses were taken but not by billions of people
SpiceRacz
Member
You should read the article he wrote about his experience on JRE. At one point he calls Joe an MMA Fighter.
Thaedolus
Gold Member
That’s not what happened.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
No they don't, dude, that's my point. If a source is wrong, say, 5% of the time, they're considered ridiculously unreliable for a newspaper and it's fair to criticize them for that and maintain some skepticism, but that doesn't mean you can just believe the opposite of everything they print. 95% of it is still accurate.
You act like news outlets are the Dezolans from Phantasy Star and they all either always lie or always tell the truth. It doesn't work like that. You have to use your brain
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Irobot82
Member
Alright everyone. Friday I started to have a tickle in my throat. It became rougher by Sunday. Monday and Tuesday the throat wasn't bad but I had congestion and achy muscles and lower back. By Wednesday I felt ok but bad in the morning. Today, morning sucks. I stuck my head in a coffee can and I can't smell anything. I also can't taste anything. I drank a Florida Man Double IPA from Cigar City last night and couldn't taste it. No rear tongue hit or anything. So no smell/taste. Pretty sure it's Covid. I was double vaxd with Moderna back in June.
funkygunther
Banned
get yourself tested
Irobot82
Member
Yeyah. Wife's picking up a kit after work. I WFH so my life is quarantine.
Thaedolus
Gold Member
Just got word my cousin’s wife is home finally, weeks in the ICU. Still on a lot of oxygen, tons of monitors hooked into some monitoring network, can’t be alone, can’t walk more than five steps at a time, etc. but she avoided being intubated and should make it. No idea how her QOL will be long term.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
I can't get mine for another month, but the second one kicked my ass for a day so I am definitely gonna schedule the booster at the beginning of the work week!
WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
People whining over a decade old vaccine tech really makes me laugh.
cr0w
Old Member
Sorry to hear. The "it's just a flu" and "99.8% survival rate!" bullshit conveniently ignores people who are suffering long-term issues from both the virus and the resulting hospital stay. It's fucking hard on the body to go through some of the procedures people are having to go through just to breathe...you don't just get discharged from the hospital and happily skip home whistling a tune after weeks of being bed-ridden and hooked up to machines.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I think I should clarify my position because you seem to be accusing me of something I'm not.
My position has never been "100% of what establishment media says is a lie." That's ridiculous. Obviously there are certain news stories where lying doesn't benefit them, so they dont. However, they've proven 100 times over that they're willing to lie to the American public if it benefits them. Some people, not all, value integrity in individuals, groups, organizations etc. They don't have any.
They've lost credibility on highly politicized issues for the majority of Americans.
This particular story (negative effects of vaccine mandates) have a rotten fish smell you can sense from a mile away. I'm not 100% certain they're lying about this story, but they're long past getting the benefit of the doubt from me. I'll do what most reasonable people do in this scenario. I'll maintain a high degree of skepticism and go about my day. Then I'll see how this story unfolds in the coming weeks. It's a strategy that has served me well in the past.
Btw, I'm not sure if you recognize this but liars employ certain strategies to get you to believe them. I'm sure you've been approached at a gas station by someone who's said "Hey man, can I just get $10 dollars, my car broke down around the corner and my kids are stuck crying, and I left my wallet at my wife's place."
They know you don't have the energy to burn checking in on all their stories. It's a muddy water tactic. So when establishment media tells you the flight cancellations were a result of "military testing, bad weather, and air traffic control issues, among other things..." hopefully you spot the similarity.
funkygunther
Banned
this story you completely made up or are echoing without thinking about you’re going to wash your hands of and hope that the establishment allows the truth to come out in an unspecified time, weak
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Translation: You should pick a side and stick to it before all the facts cone out. Weak.
funkygunther
Banned
Translation: You should pick a side and stick to it before all the facts cone out. Weak.
how long are you going to wait for?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
As long as I waited for these lies...sorry, mistakes.
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SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
This is equally (and in many cases more) true of partisan alternative media. So again, what a real skeptic does is learn how to read an article and not think in terms of the logo on the screen.
Just because CNN is unreliable or biased doesn't mean that OANN isn't wholesale disinformation with biases of its own.
This leaves you with two choices: learn how to process information, or be misinformed about shit. There is simply no third option.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Odd tactic you're employing here. Though, to be honest it's pretty obvious.
Me: Establishment media (majority left wing) can't be trusted.
You: So you just blindly believe right wing establishment media?!
Me: Le sigh...
I heard OJ won his murder case back in the 90s because his attorneys placed the focus of the case on the system, rather than on what OJ did or didn't do.
Keep employing bizarre tactics. It works on some apparently...
funkygunther
Banned
As long as I waited for these lies...sorry, mistakes.
Media Errors during the Trump Era: A Comprehensive List | Sharyl Attkisson
Discover a comprehensive list of media errors made during the Trump era. Explore notable mistakes and missteps in reporting.
that’s not an answer, you say that you are not 100% convinced they’re lying yet at the same time you’re convinced that we are in the before stage…these are contradictory positions
if you think we are in a before stage then you must also think there will be an after stage, and so you have already taken a position despite your projection of that onto me
you either haven’t really thought about this or don’t want to really think about, but in your attempt to clarify your position you’ve done nothing of the sort
the irony being that by not wanting to talk about either the actual story (South West cancellations) or your made up stories (media are lying about it), you have become the story here…is that what you wanted?
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poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Southwest cancels more than 2,000 flights this week.
Southwest implements vaccine mandate 7 days ago.
Southwest promises the cancellations have nothing to do with the mandates.
Establishment media covers for them by lying to the American public.
Most of the country doesn't care that our media is essentially what Chinese State Media has been for decades.
Nice to see you don't hold yourself to these high standards of integrity. This whole conversation started because you stated unequivocally that the media was lying.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I'm not 100 percent convinced they're lying. I'm more in the extremely likely camp.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Chinese State Media doesn't lie 100 percent of the time.
"High degree of skepticism" does not mean certainty.
I think media should be held to a higher standard than myself considering how important their job is.
Choose 1, 2, or 3. They all apply here.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
"Southwest promises the cancellations have nothing to do with the mandates.
Establishment media covers for them by lying to the American public."
This sounds like certainty to me.
funkygunther
Banned
then you can accept there is a possibility that they're not lying, and that there isn't a "before all the facts" stage, right?
DragoonKain
Neighbours from Hell
I thought the Gupta Rogan episode was good from what I heard. Rogan was cordial and brought up good counters while allowing Gupta to back up his side.
That said, I couldn't listen to all of it, I'm so tired of the COVID debates at this point.
That said, I couldn't listen to all of it, I'm so tired of the COVID debates at this point.
SF Kosmo
Al Jazeera Special Reporter
More like:
You: I can't be bothered to read into everything so I just look at if the publication is on my "trustworthy" list.
Me: That's a good way to be a dumbass in 2021.
Narasumas
Member
Umm, why not at the end of the work week? Isn’t that counterproductive?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
High degree of skepticism leaves room for them to be telling the truth. Alas, my high degree if skepticism around this story remains. Let's see what gets revealed over the next few weeks.
Exactly. There aren't many Americans who can keep up with the 24 hour news cycle. Looking into every fishy story takes a lot of time and effort that most people don't want to spend.
Try reading about HALT and consider leaving childish insults on the scrap heap.
poppabk
Cheeks Spread for Digital Only Future
Counter productive for who? Lose a day or two of work or a day or two of my weekend. Hmm let me think.
funkygunther
Banned
how many weeks and what if nothing gets revealed?
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
funkygunther
Banned
So within 7 weeks I should expect a level of engagement from you over a story that you have so far completely failed to engage on, looking forward to it
Narasumas
Member
Stop picking fights with everyone. You are unproductively pedantic with anything you disagree on. Just my opinion.