Yeah this is sooooo bad. The interview with the actor was all about trans rights and how important inclusivity is Like listen I have nothing against trans people but Gren wasn’t a trans character, he had tits from side effects of a drug he took for PTSD. Lol he’s a beloved character, fans of the OG don’t want this, and this type of fake woke pandering should be offensive to trans people, imo.
He used the disguise to get close to Viscous but he was still Gren or as Faye called him mr saxophone to everyone else. You could argue what gender he felt he was but we only get him for two episodes and don’t know much, but they are doing with the live action and what they did on the show appear to be two very different things.Gren was living as a woman and could just as easily of chosen to dress and act like a male. Call it what you want, I guess, it was a tragic story any way you look at it. Not some chipper silver lining thing.
He used the disguise to get close to Viscous but he was still Gren or as Faye called him mr saxophone to everyone else. You could argue what gender he felt he was but we only get him for two episodes and don’t know much, but it’s not what they are doing with the live action.
Lol yes it is indeed an auto correct thing. I thought I was wrong and auto correct was right (for once), you are correct tho it is indeed spelled viciousDamn, as much as i bitched when they first showed the actors, i kinda liked this trailer.
It's original and unburdened by conventions.
The actors still don't look like their anime counterparts but they seem to have a good alchemy between them.
Jett is great, Spike and Faye are okay, Vicious looks like Marc Dacascos cousin tho... But we should not see him too much anyway
The martian saxophonist is a total misinterpretation of the original material but what can you do nowdays?...
Pierrot le Fou looks cool, his episode has a lot of potential.
As J jason10mm said, with a good drink (and maybe a spliff) it should be fun enough.
They even managed to squeeze the ballad of fallen angels in there!
Edit : For all of you on the thread calling Vicious "Viscous", tell me it's an autocorrect fail or some kind of private joke please... Looking at you Kev Kev
All that I can think of is how much it reminds me quality-wise of that amazingly bad dungeons and dragons movie
I sense this version of Cowboy Beboop will provide us with gifs of bad acting and terrible scenes aplenty
If this adaptation is as cheesy as it looks in the teaser (I’m all for it) they should adopt this viscous moniker it would be perfectLol yes it is indeed an auto correct thing. I thought I was wrong and auto correct was right (for once), you are correct tho it is indeed spelled vicious
I think your take is a bit lenient to them. They are saying « the vocabulary did not exist at the time ». It’s like they are saying « we are reimagining the character as he should have been in the first place… » the character was never non binary and having both gender characteristics (which are the result of meds he took after going to war as someone already said) was painful for him. It’s not because he didn’t knew how to name his condition or feelings.to be fair, they are clearly saying they are reimagining Gren’s character, in the tweet
and also, to be fair it is certainly up for debate whether or not Gren was bisexual and/or questioning his gender, but it’s not really a big focus in the original show, they never explicitly state he’s gender neutral or questioning or trans, and I always kind of liked that. He was this enigma of a person who shined really bright for only two short episodes.
So we agree it was better left ambiguous?Gren said something in the original show along the lines of: "I am both male and female, yet neither, at the same time." Which has trans, non-binary, and inter-sex connotations. Like that tweet said though, we lacked the vocabulary back then to define what Gren was. But at the same time, like the actor said, it allowed for people who had identity issues, to relate to that character, regardless of which of those three identities a person gravitated towards, because it was ambiguous.
I was discussing this with my partner as well, and she made a really good point. Anyone who had identity issues back then that watched the show, could relate to Gren in some way, whether they leaned more trans, non-binary, or inter-sex. But now, they're definitively labeling the character as non-binary. Which means that they're invalidating any sort of connection a trans or inter-sex person might have felt towards that character. Netflix was attempting to be more inclusive by having a non-binary character, and then they end up invalidating the feelings of trans and inter-sex people that may have related to Gren, by saying that "nope, actually Gren was non-binary."
Oh yeah, definitely it was better when it was ambiguous. Sorry if that didn't come across too well in my other post. I agree with your other points, not everything needs to be inclusive to every race/gender/identity. Personally, I never really saw Gren as an LGBTQIA+ icon either, but that's how they're defining the character for the adaptation.So we agree it was better left ambiguous?
I think that’s what you’re saying. I don’t understand all the gender lingo. I don’t think there’s anything to be offended by here either. Not everything piece of media/art needs to include every gender/race/whatever.
With them sayin they are “reimagining” the character Gren, it bacially means all bets are off, they get to decide what Gren is and isnt, which is fine, whether that includes or excludes people is irrelevant tbqh bc that is their “reimagining”, it’s whatever they want it to be.
That doesn’t mean people can’t be upset about it or have an opinion, but I’m not of the idea that everything needs to be inclusive, so that part doesn’t bother me.
All that bothers me is people who haven’t seen the original, and only see the live action, won’t get to experience the same Gren that myself and many of us did, and how disingenuous the reimagining of Gren’s character feels (it feels like fake woke pandering and if I was lgb+ I might be offended by the bad faith corporate acting going on here —> “how do ya do fellow gays?”)
Hopefully whatever they do works and feels right. The show will never live up to the OG so, as I’ve said, I’m just going to try and enjoy whatever they do, and not think too hard about it.l (if I haven’t already lol)
The thing with someone like Takashi Miike is that he understand that simply looking or doing the same as the source material will not usually cut it, the adaptations that are able to stand by their own are usually those not really worried about the fans but instead have a unique interpretation of the source material and the balls to do it without worrying about pissing some fans...in someways, i think it's even harder if the source material it's famous instead of some cult shit.Tarantino or Takashi Miike would of been an interesting choice.