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Dark Souls II is so bad
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SCB3
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Possibly the best one after the first tbh, 3 was far too easy and took too much from Bloodborne, for me Fromsoft's Souls games are
Elden Ring > Dark Souls > DS2 > Bloodborne > Demons > DS3 > Sekiro
You know what may blow peoples minds, Elden Ring IS Dark Souls 2 and inspired by in so many ways, it feels like a True DS2
Elden Ring > Dark Souls > DS2 > Bloodborne > Demons > DS3 > Sekiro
You know what may blow peoples minds, Elden Ring IS Dark Souls 2 and inspired by in so many ways, it feels like a True DS2
Gaiff
Member
But then why does an even older game still feels great?"Hey guys, I've just played a game from this generation and enjoyed it greatly. Why does this other older game from two generations ago feel worse to play?"
Sounds like someone didn't bother reading the OP and thought he was being smart.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
I've seen many people state this here and elsewhere, but I still don't get this reasoning.
SCB3
Member
I made a big post in the OT back at release, I'll have to find it, but there are so many things that were clearly in or expanded upon from DS2 in ER
March Climber
Member
You don't have any for DS 2 so it feels 'worse'. However the honest truth is that both feel very stiff to play by today's standards. It's not my fault you're more forgiving towards one than the other
No worries on questioning if anyone has read your OP or not, it's barely longer than a paragraph. You'll be okay.
Kokoloko85
Member
Agreed. I don’t even count it as the same as the other Miyazaki games
All of Miyazaki’s game have a certain feel and control. I played it after playing Demons Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, DS3 etc. And it took about 7 seconds to realise this isn’t a Miyazaki game. The roll feels completely different and the art style etc. Even Sekiro had the same feeling and controls in some ways, animations etc.
Good game still but not in the same league as Miyazaki directing it. You can tell the differences
All of Miyazaki’s game have a certain feel and control. I played it after playing Demons Souls, Dark Souls, Bloodborne, DS3 etc. And it took about 7 seconds to realise this isn’t a Miyazaki game. The roll feels completely different and the art style etc. Even Sekiro had the same feeling and controls in some ways, animations etc.
Good game still but not in the same league as Miyazaki directing it. You can tell the differences
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Kokoloko85
Member
Yep. I liked a couple tracks though.
The game just didnt feel like the other games, anyone who says its in the same league just isnt the same kind of fan
Compared to the others yes
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Gaiff
Member
This is puzzling because Motoi Sakuraba and Yuka Kitamura worked on the OST but for some reason, it's overall a lot weaker than I or III. I did like a few tracks like Old Dragonslayer and Mjulula but but I and III are full of bangers.
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NeverYouMind
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This game unlike others in the series requires considerable time investment to play like them as there is an upgradeable attribute that controls item use speed and invincibility frames in the roll. However, it had brilliant ideas for streamlining weapon augmentations and resetting bosses/areas at higher difficulties without beating the game all the way through. It was also more RPG oriented as the player had more choices in how to tackle the content instead of following a predetermined path. A lot of things were improved in Scholar of the First Sin with the game finally running at a smooth 60 fps instead of an uneven 30fps and changes to item placement.
It is worth noting that Dark Souls II added the best rings (one made unarmed runs viable and the other dissipated damage to back to make low health runs reasonable), coolest weapons (including kung fu fist, twinblades, and dual wielding combinations with unique attacks), and arguably best covenant (Pilgrims of the Dark) to the series. It even had notable changes to NG+ experience and managed to make the different weapon classes and different schools of spells equally useful. With mods it actually holds up a lot better than Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, and Dark Souls 3.
It is worth noting that Dark Souls II added the best rings (one made unarmed runs viable and the other dissipated damage to back to make low health runs reasonable), coolest weapons (including kung fu fist, twinblades, and dual wielding combinations with unique attacks), and arguably best covenant (Pilgrims of the Dark) to the series. It even had notable changes to NG+ experience and managed to make the different weapon classes and different schools of spells equally useful. With mods it actually holds up a lot better than Demon's Souls, Dark Souls, and Dark Souls 3.
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Kokoloko85
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I think that decision making by Miyazaki and attention to detail really shows, even if the games have similar staff.
Same. Mjulula theme is the most Souls thing about the game lol
SkylineRKR
Member
I beat DS2 Scholar of the First Sin on PS4 and I don't get the hate. There are too many areas yes, some very insignificant, and the atmosphere is lacking to DS1, but the game felt rather consistent to me. And great DLC. Its also my favourite PvP Souls.
Actually, Elden Ring is VERY reminiscent of DS2 in terms of overall feel and looks. I'd say DS2 is closest to it.
Actually, Elden Ring is VERY reminiscent of DS2 in terms of overall feel and looks. I'd say DS2 is closest to it.
Rhazer Fusion
Member
I actually liked Dark Souls 2 especially the enhanced PS4/XBOX One versions despite its shortcomings. Yes, it had issues like the weird hit boxes, but I thought it had some improvements as well like the magic system. I also think the DLC was really good and it had some of my favorite armor sets and builds. Even if it is considered the worst Dark Souls to many, it’s still better than most of the so called “good” games of today imo.
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Touch fuzZy. get BizZay
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Remember how Elden has this agility stat where there's input lag to delay rolling when you press the roll button, on purpose by design, but you can decrease the input lag if you keep putting points into agility, but the points also make rolling have more i-frames so the point of pressing the roll button with good timing is lost completely?
Wait, From didn't copy that from namco bandai? What are they, good developers or something
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
Mind explaining why?
Stamps1646
Member
Best NG+ I've ever experience in any game.
ADP was a dunderhead feature
I loved the armor sets and weapons
Some of the best DLC content in any souls game, IMO.
I might be in the small minority of players who thought the game was fun despite all of its flaws.
ADP was a dunderhead feature
I loved the armor sets and weapons
Some of the best DLC content in any souls game, IMO.
I might be in the small minority of players who thought the game was fun despite all of its flaws.
Grildon Tundy
Gold Member
What game are you referring to?
If I'm following right, when you upgrade agility you not only decrease lag but it becomes a wider i-frame window? What am I missing? Other than starting off probably feeling underpowered, seems like it'd be a lot of fun to become a dodge-God in two different ways at once (decreased lag & wider window)
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Mr Hyde
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Elden Ring is not directed solely by Hidetaka Miyazaki. His co-director was Yui Tanimura, the director of Dark Souls 2. Tanimura began pre-production of Elden Ring after The Ringed City DLC in 2017 wrapped up while Miyazaki went on to direct Sekiro (when he was finished there, he joined team Elden Ring).
Many themes and mechanics from DS2 is reintroduced in ER. For example, power stancing and twinblade weapons being two of them. The amount of weapons and build variety is another thing DS2 had, and what ER evolved into. The semi open world of DS2 is what inspired ER to go fully open world. Then you have similarities in the story, such as Godfrey waging war against giants and then being exiled, leading the Queen to rule (King Vendrick suffered the same fate) and so on.
There is the gist of it, but there are a lot more references in the game. Here is a video from Zullie the Witch, explaining more in detail.
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NeverYouMind
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I will admit the animations are rough but hiboxes are par for the course in this franchise and the balance in this one is better than any other Souls game.
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Tomeru
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FunkMiller
Gold Member
Dark Souls 2 is the worst FromSoft game… and still far better than any other Soulslike.
hyperbertha
Member
While the game is utter trash, tbf the sword did graze the player in the gif. Only later did he realise he was hit so he tp'd back. Tensions were high so you miss stuff.Skill issue.
HoodWinked
Member
i thought it was pretty good. DS1 was 30fps on PC and you needed a mod to get to higher fps and it would screw up the physics or made you fall through world when you got off a ladder occasionally.
so when i played DS2 right after that experience the game ran extremely well and looked pretty good out of the box and while DS2 didn't have this fully connected world it did go fully in vain as they massively expand the kind of locations they created for the game.
so when i played DS2 right after that experience the game ran extremely well and looked pretty good out of the box and while DS2 didn't have this fully connected world it did go fully in vain as they massively expand the kind of locations they created for the game.
AngelMuffin
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Little Chicken
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Dark Souls II is good in its own way, it may not reach the heights of the first game, but it's still fun to play with a lot of build options. The DLC is fantastic.
NeverYouMind
Member
All of the FromSoftware games have bad hitboxes. Bosses just walking through things, attacks going through objects, jump attacks getting stuck in object collision but still doing damage, bodies going through walls of metal or magic, grounded enemies not getting hit, etc.
The game was programmed to complete the single roll animation, but at low Adaptability the invincibility frames are too low for the character to avoid the homing attack during the last frames of the animation. Once Adaptability catches up it works as intended.
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simpatico
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Less focus on inter connectivity and more pure dungeons. Build variety, Viable dual wielding / power stancing. OP casting. The pacing. The jank. Mini boss -> boss patterns. Duo bosses. Stonesword keys are back.
But most of all the damn vibe. Dark Souls 2 is so damn comfy and Elden Ring comes close to matching that. This one is harder to objectively quantify, so I saved it for last. Surely it won't apply to all players. I kept expecting to find Majula at the top of an elevator.
Jigsaah
Gold Member
I remember lining up at midnight at gamestop for this trash. Thing is. I didn't realize how bad it was until I played through it and found out you could just teleport to any bonfire whenever you wanted. I'm not really a graphics whore (I am a framerate whore though) so that didn't really bother me. My gripe was with how teleporting made the world feel more instanced as opposed to seemless and connected like the first Dark Souls did. It became normal practice in Dark Souls 3 so I kinda just swallowed that gripe because 3 was so good otherwise.
NeverYouMind
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Not being able to teleport at the start of Dark Souls is painful given how even Demon Souls allowed it. I would not be willing to do another run with that feature locked to late mid-game, but fortunately there is a mod that fixes that and another that fixes access to DLC.
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SlimeGooGoo
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Cute waifui thought it was pretty good. DS1 was 30fps on PC and you needed a mod to get to higher fps and it would screw up the physics or made you fall through world when you got off a ladder occasionally.
so when i played DS2 right after that experience the game ran extremely well and looked pretty good out of the box and while DS2 didn't have this fully connected world it did go fully in vain as they massively expand the kind of locations they created for the game.
TropicanaTwista
Member
Yea DS2 is pretty rough. I've only played the SoTFS version but man does it feel cheap. Too many enemy ambushes, completely forgettable bosses (and too many). It's just meh compared to FROMs other work.
Never understood how ER ad DS2 are the highest souls games, at least per metacritic, when they are by far the worst games in the series.
Never understood how ER ad DS2 are the highest souls games, at least per metacritic, when they are by far the worst games in the series.
Mr Hyde
Member
Some more similarities between DS2 and Elden Ring that I forgot in my previous post.
Pharros Lockstone - Stonesword key
Magical artifacts used to open secret areas and rooms for loot
Iron Keep - Volcano Manor
Giant palaces sunken in molten lava
Ancient Dragon Cult - Dragon Shrine
A cult dedicated to worshipping dragons. Ancient Dragon can be fought in the Shrine in DS2 and Placidusax is an ancient Dragon you fight under the Erdtree. Both are worshipped by this cult. There are similarities between the Drake knight set in ER and those annoying assholes on the stairs up to Ancient Dragon in DS2.
Also talking about armor sets. Astrologer set (and class) in ER is a direct reference to Astrologist set in DS2. The traveling merchant is also a reference to the nomadic merchants in ER.
And so on and so on.
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Greirat
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I really enjoyed DS2, the depth and variety is excellent. I think it's their most replayable game, just because of the sheer quantity of different weapons/covenants/spells/mechanics/etc. Plus the whole alternate enemy layout with Scholar. There's a lot of King's Field references in the game, so if you're a fan of FromSoft's earlier work, it's a great experience.
Puscifer
Member
Per the usual, weird art changes and people complaining about the lighting and them not going back to make it look like the E3 build. It's a good version, though I do agree ripping away the original for sale on digital platforms was an ass move.
Buggy Loop
Member
Yes
Elden ring is Dark souls II 2.
- Powerstance for the dual wields was unique to DS2 and Elden ring ring brought it back.
- Twinblades were a weapon class unique to DS2, Elden ring brought them back.
- Both use mid bosses as check points for skill/power level
- Also the catalogue of spells being so large it makes better viability of magic builds, much like Dark souls 2 being way more impressive for spellcasting than DS1 & DS3.
- Multiplayer, both ER and DS2 have MP without humanity/ember requirements
- Multiple bosses at once
- Even motherfucking enemy tracking! Elden ring is not without fault there
- Siofra River IS Shrine of Amana, even the well-hidden antler mobs sniping you from hard-to-reach places and covering each other.
- Repeating bosses
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Exactly dude ...to see a Souls fan so vehemently hating this game is strange. Almost as strange as the people who consider it the best in the series lol. It's got so much of the same DNA as the other games though so how can you hate it so much? I can definitely understand being disappointed by the controls and hit boxes tho. To me those are fundamental flaws but then again you can adapt. Speaking of adapt, Adp is really dumb.
I like it for its atmosphere mostly which is magical in its own way. Back in 2014 it was an awesome experience but after Sotfs and then ds3>bb>sekiro>elden ring it is hard not to see it as a tier below them.
Werewolf Jones
Gold Member
I beat it once, I can say contently that when I die I'll never have regrets of never playing this game again before that happens. Once in a lifetime is enough.
NeverYouMind
Member
You can still buy the original Dark Souls II on Steam unlike the Prepare to Die Edition of Dark Souls.
bitbydeath
Member
Nobody mentioned hollowing yet?
It’s an objectively broken mechanic in the game, losing max hp without finding and wearing a specific ring is bs.
I’m glad that never continued, otherwise I would have dropped the series.
It’s an objectively broken mechanic in the game, losing max hp without finding and wearing a specific ring is bs.
I’m glad that never continued, otherwise I would have dropped the series.
NeverYouMind
Member
In that case, I am surprised you did not drop the series at Demon Souls as its spirit form worked similarly to hollowing. It can actually be used to gain significant damage buffs with several weapons at the cost of lower base health in Dark Souls II.
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