Craig of War
Banned
As long as it optional and not forced it won't really matter
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Diablo IV is releasing in 2023 with cross-save and cross-progression
sankt-Antonio
:^)--?-<
So you assume a game from MS is going to have criossplay - because overwatch (not owned by MS) just did not show it?
I’ll believe it once it’s announced and or working.
mxbison
Member
Good luck with that if they are even 20% as bad as in Diablo Immortal....
Classicrockfan
Banned
Love that blood flow reminds me of the shining.
xpresstuning
Member
All of them. The original is a different beast compared to everything that followed with a strong emphasis on its atmosphere and gothic - horror aesthetic, and with a much more methodical approach to its combat; in this regard it's very akin to Dark Souls. It's crude, rough around the edges but definitely worth giving a swirl for a couple of hours at least. The soundtrack is fucking amazing.
Diablo 2 Resurrected is the best in the series and what everybody is playing right now, especially since Ladder mode started. It easily has the best loot itemization and drop table in the series.
Diablo 3 is fantastic as well, but everything took a nosedive except for the combat which is improved.
DavidGzz
Member
I wonder if we saw an example of a cosmetic in some of the gameplay shown. I saw fire and the fire snake that looked like a unique color in the IGN footage. More pink than red.
In this video, compare the same fire spells at 10:25 and at 13:49 on the same map. It could also be the level of the spell or the rune used. Just something I noticed.
In this video, compare the same fire spells at 10:25 and at 13:49 on the same map. It could also be the level of the spell or the rune used. Just something I noticed.
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Craig of War
Banned
I played Immortal on my phone and ignored all of the MTX so i don't know why it so hard for some of you guys
mxbison
Member
How long did you play? These games always let you progress just fine in the beginning to get you hooked.
MTX in Immortal heavily influence loot and level progression, two of the main aspects of the game.
Rykan
Member
That's precisely it.
You can play Diablo Immortal just fine until endgame. You'll probably have a good time doing so.
It's at the endgame where the problems arise, because the focus moves away from progressing through new content to optimizing/maximizing your character which is very pay to win. That's why I continue to recommend D:I. Play through it to the endgame because its a genuinely good game and drop it once you get there.
amigastar
Member
I was thinking that Diablo Immortal is actually a good thing. Why? Because It's a pay2win game and there's no reason for Blizzard to repeat this formula for Diablo 4 because they have already Immortal doing that.
So Immortal paves the way for Diablo 4 to be free of Microtransactions.
So Immortal paves the way for Diablo 4 to be free of Microtransactions.
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sendit
Member
Diablo 4 will be a GaaS.
amigastar
Member
They said for Diablo 4 there will be only cosmetic ingame shop and normal expansions.
Anyways what does GaaS in Diablo 4 case mean, actually?
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strange headache
Banned
It is hard to get excited for this game considering how shitty Blizzard has become.
This will be infested with insidious MTX and other monetization options that will impact gameplay an ruin the experience.
Let's hope I'm wrong.
This will be infested with insidious MTX and other monetization options that will impact gameplay an ruin the experience.
Let's hope I'm wrong.
What makes you think it will be infested with that?
Diablo Immortal is possibly the best mobile game ever made. I know you hate how monetisation works on mobile to the point you lie about it but what indications do you have that it will carry on to PC?
So far it really seems like it will be things like cosmetic, maybe battle pass and inventory space.
Ellery
Member
Way more Diablo than I expected.
Sadly they managed to desensitize the industry to microtransactions in full price games and they even managed to make people happy about it.
If you ever wonder how manipulation works -> Release Diablo Immortal the worst pay2win shit possible and make people angry. Have the idiots and whales still play it to get their money -> Announce Diablo 4 only has cosmestic microtransactions, because people that pay the full price for this game don't deserve the cosmetics if they not also pour more money into.
I am well aware that in itself this isn't the end of the world and doesn't really impact Diablo 4 that much, but it is another step on the downwards spiral.
Personally I prefer to unlock things (including cosmetics) through playing the game or achieving certain things and not by stuffing even more money down Bobby's greedy throat.
Sadly they managed to desensitize the industry to microtransactions in full price games and they even managed to make people happy about it.
If you ever wonder how manipulation works -> Release Diablo Immortal the worst pay2win shit possible and make people angry. Have the idiots and whales still play it to get their money -> Announce Diablo 4 only has cosmestic microtransactions, because people that pay the full price for this game don't deserve the cosmetics if they not also pour more money into.
I am well aware that in itself this isn't the end of the world and doesn't really impact Diablo 4 that much, but it is another step on the downwards spiral.
Personally I prefer to unlock things (including cosmetics) through playing the game or achieving certain things and not by stuffing even more money down Bobby's greedy throat.
sendit
Member
GaaS has gotten a bad rep. Diablo 4 will be a GaaS in a sense that it will require an online connection to play. Micro-transactions will be present. Ongoing updates and events will be present. I believe it will be handled similarly to Destiny. Multiplayer is a huge aspect this time around.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
The thing that gives me the most confidence in Diablo IV is the fact that Rod Ferguson is the one leading it.
TrebleShot
Member
Thank you, currently recovering from COVID so will give D2 a go its not too expensive on PS5 either.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
I think Seasons will have much more beef and variety and will be accompanied by Battle Passes. At least that's how I'd do it.
JCK75
Member
too bad it's a shit game.
Thank you . The amount of people who think Blizzard would be designing TWO loot-games is laughable. Like, why would you invest all these resources into your turning your mainstream title into a Gambling Den when you've already got a game out there to take the bullets (and dollars) from players for you. D4 is CLEARLY going to be a GaaS game; there's no reason and zero chance it will be a "gacha."
I'm Paragon 6 in D:I. I didn't spend a dime to get to this point and was not gimped in either power or features. You're talking out your keister.
Interfectum
Member
Most of GAF will never participate in endgame anyway. There is zero need to stress out about MTX in D:I unless you want to do some shitty competitive PvP after you beat it.
AJUMP23
Gold Member
They will never allow offline play.
drotahorror
Member
Looks and sounds good. I'm definitely excited but...why did they even have a section called "End Game" in that trailer? They didn't talk about any end game activities or anything. Wtf.
sircaw
Banned
Knightmare dungeons, one of the videos i watched mentioned keys, i think those will be similar to POE's maps with modifiers on them.
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They talked about end-game in about as much depth as they talked about anything else. "New items, new dungeons, new paragon boards. . .everytime you come back to Diablo IV, there's going to be new stuff for you to experience" is what they said in regards to end-game and I imagine at some point in the next twelve months they will detail precisely what those are in the context of the game.
killatopak
Member
I'm sorry but you need to play more mobile games. DI is good but not that good.
jimmypython
Member
I really hope the console versions get mouse and keyboard support....not sure why devs are so against it for other games: Pillars 1/2, Divinity, Diablo 2, Stardew etc
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
The most embarrass is if he watched the video give more minutes he'd found out that you can freely customise gender and skin color.
JimmyRustler
Gold Member
This. Thought exactly the same. After all he brought Gears back from the dead as well.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
He also rescued Bioshock Infinite. You can debate the quality of his games (IMO they're solid, but SAFE), but he will get a game done on time and complete. Has a great track record. MS should appoint him to oversea all of their 1st party instead of Phil Spencer.
Anos Voldigoad
Member
HYPED for Diablo. Will be there day one on my PS5!
MiguelItUp
Member
Diablo Immortal =/= Diablo IV
Diablo Immortal is a F2P mobile game co-developed by NetEase. Built FOR mobile, which is why its monetization (while avoidable) is as awful as it is. Diablo IV won't be any of those things.
If anything, I think it's fair to be concerned about the outcome because of the internal changes made to D IV team during its development. Hopefully at launch it'll be better than decent, but overtime I see it being more than that. Much like D3. They have plenty of things to reflect on to show them what success means for them, D IV, and its fans. Will they do it? Hopefully. I think they realize what is as stake on those platforms.
Diablo Immortal is a F2P mobile game co-developed by NetEase. Built FOR mobile, which is why its monetization (while avoidable) is as awful as it is. Diablo IV won't be any of those things.
If anything, I think it's fair to be concerned about the outcome because of the internal changes made to D IV team during its development. Hopefully at launch it'll be better than decent, but overtime I see it being more than that. Much like D3. They have plenty of things to reflect on to show them what success means for them, D IV, and its fans. Will they do it? Hopefully. I think they realize what is as stake on those platforms.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
Ironically, I think D3 suffered from not being GaaS. Blizzard had no incentive to keep the game going. Seasons were barebones as fuck.
With D4 they're gonna go all out because they can sell MTX. I expect D4 to be a proper competitor to PoE2.
JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
Like I said in my above post, having Rod Fergusson as the guy in charge is GREAT news. There are few people in the industry who knows how to get games done in an orderly and timely fashion.
I have NO IDEA where he stands on microtransactions and monetization, but you can expect the game to be completed in good order.
Classicrockfan
Banned
killatopak
Member
So it's cross gen still.
BossLackey
Gold Member
Welp, as much as Blizzard has been shitting the bed, I'm still probably gonna double-dip on this.
Cross-Save and Cross-Play are becoming more and more important to me as of late. The more games that start making this a priority, the more likely I am to buy them.
Cross-Save and Cross-Play are becoming more and more important to me as of late. The more games that start making this a priority, the more likely I am to buy them.
Shubh_C63
Member
If that trailer is on a concrete build than kudos, because they got rid of that irritating illuminating white border previous quarter updates had.
In terms on mxtx, I'm 100% sure it will be only cosmetics like Destiny. I am even enjoying DImmortal, log in an hour everyday and there's just so much stuff to do at Lvl60.
In terms on mxtx, I'm 100% sure it will be only cosmetics like Destiny. I am even enjoying DImmortal, log in an hour everyday and there's just so much stuff to do at Lvl60.