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Digital Foundry: Star Wars Jedi Survivor - DF Tech Review - PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S - Ambitious But Compromised
Alright which one of the DF guys still lurking NeoGaf?
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/so-w...ey-release-current-gen-pc-only-games.1656027/
(Joking I know it's a commonly used word but a day later seems fishy
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https://www.neogaf.com/threads/so-w...ey-release-current-gen-pc-only-games.1656027/
(Joking I know it's a commonly used word but a day later seems fishy
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Rien
Jelly Belly
Premium but not waterproof
Thick Thighs Save Lives
Gold Member
Hmm... the video appears to be unlisted. Are you a DF patreon OP?
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Very basic analysis by DF.
Doesn't even show side-by-side screens on consoles to highlight similar or different performances on the consoles.
Doesn't even show side-by-side screens on consoles to highlight similar or different performances on the consoles.
Horseganador
Member
What type of analysis is "more or less the same" resolution, "more or less the same" framerate, put the same area where both machines suffer more and compare.
Luipadre
Member
I mean they are not wrong. RT looks better but HW is weak still, especially consoles
RT seems to involve increasing returns, as in the effect gets proportionally more impressive the more demanding it is of the hardware.
At the level the consoles can do it, it's almost certainly not worth it imo. The only game I've seen that makes a reasonable contrary case is Metro Exodus.
Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
They really should have an option for switching off RT.
DaGwaphics
Member
I think the game looks good and I'll be sure to check it out on EA play. I'm not sure I'd say it is particularly ambitious visually, but maybe as you play more of it that is something that you notice more.
Low Moral Fibre
Member
RT is great if you have the performance to spare but I don't think the consoles have that performance to spare at least not in this game.
I'm always going to prioritise at least 60fps so I'm really disappointed with the performance mode as it is horribly inconsistent. VRR is great but can't save your game when it is dropping into the 30s.
If you are happy with 30fps the game does look great to be fair but I'm glad I refunded it as I don't expect miracles here.
For anyone curious how I survived the PS4 gen the answer is I bought hardly any games on console and 99% on PC. The PS3 gen was obviously bad but I was rocking a 720p 32in LED with the response time of a ocean liner and brightness level similar to vantablack not a 65in OLED with near instant pixel response so judder was the least of my concerns back then.
I'm always going to prioritise at least 60fps so I'm really disappointed with the performance mode as it is horribly inconsistent. VRR is great but can't save your game when it is dropping into the 30s.
If you are happy with 30fps the game does look great to be fair but I'm glad I refunded it as I don't expect miracles here.
For anyone curious how I survived the PS4 gen the answer is I bought hardly any games on console and 99% on PC. The PS3 gen was obviously bad but I was rocking a 720p 32in LED with the response time of a ocean liner and brightness level similar to vantablack not a 65in OLED with near instant pixel response so judder was the least of my concerns back then.
To me it looks like a last gen game but with way more geometry and a better draw distance. The overall effect is "cross-gen-ish", roughly as impressive as GOW Ragnarok or RE4, say.
There's nothing there that really blows your socks off.
DJ12
Member
Ps5 edition clearly better then lol
I'll look forward to Alex putting the PS5 against a 79503d with 4090 next week.
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After REmake 4 I'm guessing they are waiting for the patches to keep from doing it over & over again
JackMcGunns
Banned
Focused on analyzing the game itself, rather than analyzing the consoles since there isn't a big enough reason to write home about.
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SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
All that laughing at the PS5 version in the other thread, and DF confirms that XSX performs the same with the same drops in heavy areas and similar resolutions.....
Let warring die for one goddamn game people and come together to call out the industry who is happy pitting the most passionate fanbases against each other while they ship last gen trash for $70. This is just a very poorly optimized game. The game fancies the highest end CPUs like the new 7800x3d and 6.3 Ghz Intel CPUs that run the game flawlessly even on 16 tflops 6800 and 17 tflops 3070. Clearly, the game favors higher clocks and doesnt do a good job multithreading.
The RT comparisons are infuriating. They barely make a difference even when zooming in and DF acts like they are comparing a victoria secret model to honey booboo. The non-RT mode even does a great job illuminating the halo around bright neon lights. In the open world, there is literally no difference in the GI. Turn that shit off. RT reflections use SSR anyway in most spots. This is so stupid. These guys are completely detached from reality.
Let warring die for one goddamn game people and come together to call out the industry who is happy pitting the most passionate fanbases against each other while they ship last gen trash for $70. This is just a very poorly optimized game. The game fancies the highest end CPUs like the new 7800x3d and 6.3 Ghz Intel CPUs that run the game flawlessly even on 16 tflops 6800 and 17 tflops 3070. Clearly, the game favors higher clocks and doesnt do a good job multithreading.
The RT comparisons are infuriating. They barely make a difference even when zooming in and DF acts like they are comparing a victoria secret model to honey booboo. The non-RT mode even does a great job illuminating the halo around bright neon lights. In the open world, there is literally no difference in the GI. Turn that shit off. RT reflections use SSR anyway in most spots. This is so stupid. These guys are completely detached from reality.
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Skifi28
Member
You need to squint a little more. I'm sure there's a difference. Probably.The RT comparisons are infuriating. They barely make a difference even when zooming in and DF acts like they are comparing a victoria secret model to honey booboo. The non-RT mode even does a great job illuminating the halo around bright neon lights. In the open world, there is literally no difference in the GI. Turn that shit off. RT reflections use SSR anyway in most spots. This is so stupid. These guys are completely detached from reality.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
Mr.Phoenix
Wrote this reply in the other thread before it was closed.The game is indeed poorly optimized but its also accurate to suggest the game is bottlenecked by the CPU. Latest benchmarks of high end CPUs show that even mid end GPUs are able to run the game very well with those CPUs showcasing that the CPU is the bottleneck here. Once they are able to properly multithread the game, it should run better on consoles and on PCs.
Killer8
Member
Oliver is probably the worst analyst at DF so it's not surprising.
Thirty7ven
Banned
Density of detail, lod, animation, cloth physics, ML muscle deformation and instant loadings still the tech improvements that every next gen should be striving for.
Is lumen RT lighting? Because that looks great already.
Is lumen RT lighting? Because that looks great already.
Lysandros
Member
Luckily we got a deeper/more detailled one already.
lh032
I cry about Xbox and hate PlayStation.
The race has started
New patch now available for PC and tomorrow for consoles....
my copy should be arriving tommorow, hopefully the performance improvement is big enough for me to jump in
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
The race has started
New patch now available for PC and tomorrow for consoles....
Time to turn off ray tracing again. Maybe I can run the game at native 4k 40 fps now without dropping.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
DF and other benchmarkers have done a very poor job benchmarking this game. I see them focus a lot on the first level which is a very brief 40 minute level while the second level is almost 10-15 hours of gameplay if you do all the open world quests. Ive explored only 40% of that world and i have 8 hours in the game.
There is an enemy base that is very detailed and has A LOT of enemies in that level that regularly dips below 40 fps. That should be the main benchmark level for this game. Running around the world on a chocobo should be another since that affects streaming and causes massive frame drops. These guys are covering the story dungeons which are very light on graphics, NPCs, enemies, etc. Of course they are locked at 30 fps.
I am not saying they should be running around large bodies of water trying to get the game to drop as much as they can, but traversal and doing open world missions in enemy camps should be what they are testing.
There is an enemy base that is very detailed and has A LOT of enemies in that level that regularly dips below 40 fps. That should be the main benchmark level for this game. Running around the world on a chocobo should be another since that affects streaming and causes massive frame drops. These guys are covering the story dungeons which are very light on graphics, NPCs, enemies, etc. Of course they are locked at 30 fps.
I am not saying they should be running around large bodies of water trying to get the game to drop as much as they can, but traversal and doing open world missions in enemy camps should be what they are testing.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
Huge differences that can be easily spotted. He doesn't even mention anything of note.Tom 2.0.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Tom 2.0.
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Aside from the animated billboard, they look identical. Same for every other area in the video.
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Mr Moose
Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yes sir. I said "aside from the animated billboard". The environmental textures look the same unless I'm missing something.
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Mr Moose
Member
I don't understand the image lol, sorry.
Wouldn't surprise me if they have fucked up the RT for Xbox version, because they clearly suck.
TGO
Hype Train conductor. Works harder than it steams.
I thought they didn't do a last gen versionTom 2.0.
Yes, has a bunch of compromises but it is ray tracing. The hardware mode improves on it a bit though.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
- Lower-quality billboard. More artifacts/shimmering. Blurrier font on the billboard.
- No grill on the XSX version. Lower LOD and/or draw distance issues.
- Missing shadows on the XSX version.
- Blurrier area, less defined edges, and lower-quality assets on XSX.
- Fewer details -- fewer scratches and less rust -- on the XSX version.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Wouldn't surprise me if they have fucked up the RT for Xbox version, because they clearly suck.
Ah, that feels like an inconsequential difference. The bill board having a lower quality .png is more noticeable. But the texture-work and resolution seems to be the same between the two.
Would have loved to see them compare that second planet area that drops to 15 FPS in Quality mode on SX to see if its the same or better/worse.
Mr Moose
Member
Unreal 4 so not sure if it's Lumen.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
DJ12
Member
Clean the vaseline from your specs or seek medical help immediately.
Yeah I missed you saying that. I also added something, I see others pointed it out.Yes sir. I said "aside from the animated billboard". The environmental textures look the same unless I'm missing something.
Not trying to say anything about this analysis but while the game is a mess on all platforms...it's technically not more of the same between the 2 versions.
Hopefully the patch makes things better.
This isn't PS3 level IQ. We have far better upscaling today. I do agree that RT should only be used where it makes sense though. Games where lighting is expected to be very dynamic. Otherwise just bake that shit, save electricity and gain performance.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
They need to have an RT on/off toggle for performance's sake and also possibly a 40hz option.
We know the PC version works without RT so it's not a case where the RT Is baked into the rendering engine ala Metro EE. No reason not to have it as optional, especially if it impact performance this much.
Mr Moose
Member
It's the difference between RT and non-RT maybe?
I think they've fucked up the RT on Xbox.Is textures loading/LOD in the distance.
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