Yup. Or any action game. So much more comfortable and less stress on your hands. What are you using, Extremerate Rise?
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Do you consider “pro” controllers as “pay 2 win”?
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HeisenbergFX4
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Once you get used to them its super hard to play shooters without them
I know several people who hate their elite controllers but I have asked them how long they tried them and they say something like "a few games"
It took me quite awhile to have them be second nature
Kiya's Guard
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Come to the PC realm, we have cookies
BadBurger
Is 'That Pure Potato'
Maybe I am just thinking too narrowly, but I can't see how having a little extra customization and back paddles available with the controller could overcome skill, reaction, time, etc.
I played with a Xbox pro controller for a few years on PC and it didn't give me any advantage that I could tell. I'm a scrub, and it didn't make me any less scrubby, despite how much I customized it. It only made gaming more comfortable for me in some circumstances.
I played with a Xbox pro controller for a few years on PC and it didn't give me any advantage that I could tell. I'm a scrub, and it didn't make me any less scrubby, despite how much I customized it. It only made gaming more comfortable for me in some circumstances.
I Love Rock 'n' Roll
Member
In fact, that's the opposite. Those are so trash!
There was a time when SEGA was doing "pro" controllers and, oh boys, those were great and yeah you could achieve better results. Sony and MS should be ashamed with the trash they put on the market.
There was a time when SEGA was doing "pro" controllers and, oh boys, those were great and yeah you could achieve better results. Sony and MS should be ashamed with the trash they put on the market.
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8BiTw0LF
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Yes Rise4
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Reverse groomer.
They're not pay to win because you still need considerable skill to really use them to their fullest extent. Same goes for a lot of other things too,
higher refresh rate monitors, better GPUs, bigger TVs, etc
It's not as egregious as paying a bunch of money for an OP weapon (say, an opressor mk2 in GTAV) and fragging everyone in the game instantly with 0 skill.
I do wish pro controller features were just the standard though. Back pedals especially should have been default with the new console controllers in 2020
higher refresh rate monitors, better GPUs, bigger TVs, etc
It's not as egregious as paying a bunch of money for an OP weapon (say, an opressor mk2 in GTAV) and fragging everyone in the game instantly with 0 skill.
I do wish pro controller features were just the standard though. Back pedals especially should have been default with the new console controllers in 2020
Hoddi
Member
Not really. There are far bigger offenders than pro controllers and there's no such thing as an even playing field nowadays. Surround sound gives you better location data and someone playing with higher FoV does the same. And if you play racing games then someone with a racing wheel setup has a far bigger advantage over a gamepad player than any pro controller will ever do.
And that's not mentioning ultrawide displays on PC. Someone having a few extra buttons on his controller is the least of my worries in that sense. Some controllers even allow you to program macros for special moves in fighting games which is infinitely worse.
And that's not mentioning ultrawide displays on PC. Someone having a few extra buttons on his controller is the least of my worries in that sense. Some controllers even allow you to program macros for special moves in fighting games which is infinitely worse.
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Mephisto40
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Imagine being that bad at COD that you need to pay $200 for a "Pro Controller" to win games
Elitro
Member
The core essence of your question would be answered with a Yes.
It's like paying to get better gear in MMO's. Sure, if the player who payed is bad he will still lose most duels, but it undoubtedly makes him more competitive, especially against same MMR competitors.
I see people here saying it does not, but how is it not when you have controllers with the same layout as non pro controllers but with more buttons? Lucio in Overwatch 2 is a character that gets so much easier to play when you have back buttons to wall ride for example.
It's like paying to get better gear in MMO's. Sure, if the player who payed is bad he will still lose most duels, but it undoubtedly makes him more competitive, especially against same MMR competitors.
I see people here saying it does not, but how is it not when you have controllers with the same layout as non pro controllers but with more buttons? Lucio in Overwatch 2 is a character that gets so much easier to play when you have back buttons to wall ride for example.
Nope.
Same way we can’t say the same for PC gaming people with high end GPUs and CPUs that can drive high framerates. Or folks with low response rate monitors. Or ultra low latency mice.
Soodanim
Member
That's a controller design/ergonomics problem, and the main driving force behind wanting back buttons. I haven't played it, but I imagine there isn't an intentional contortion behind wall riding. Instead, they just didn't have a better way to implement that input because controllers themselves are limited. Back buttons solve that in the same way they solve claw grip in Dark Souls.
Console manufacturers have stopped adapting to requirements like they used to. Sony brought us all 4 shoulder buttons and they've proven invaluable, but now in an age where we need even more they're not bothering. Maybe it's because they can get away with charging a premium for it, as with so many other things these days.
VN1X
Gold Member
So you're saying if I buy a more fancy guitar I'll become a better guitar player overnight?
Neat!
MonkeyClaw36
Member
Not true by a long shot. People with dexterity problems also buy and benefit by these, so they can also be competetive.
Don't be narrow minded.
existensmaximum
Member
You mean like the NES advantage? Yeah, that's definitely cheating!
Art The Clown
Member
nope. They are way more comfortable to game on however to the point where I have “pro” models for all three consoles. It’s hard to game on other controllers once you’re used to the back buttons. I have never really fucked with the sicks sensitivity or anything but having those back buttons are godlike.
bentanchorbolt
Member
The trigger locks and ability to adjust their sensitivity is maybe the most elite feature when it comes to the controller. All things like reaction time being equal my trigger will activate well in advance of yours and therefore will begin shooting sooner.
BlitzerRadic
Member
dont know about that but for sure a controller with back buttons will make you a better player in Dying Light 1 PVP.
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LazyParrot
Member
The real question is would they still be P2W if you got one for free?
nightmare-slain
Member
if you want to win you don't play on a console with a controller.
so no.
so no.
bentanchorbolt
Member
Based on these comments there should have been more “undecided” votes because it’s pretty clear a lot of people here never used these controllers.
HoodWinked
Member
why are people like this.... I was very precise in my language and yet people invent a different interpretation of what's written. incredible.
22•22
Doesnt need recognition
Halo Infinite you need to be able to look around and move ie the core fundamentals.
Left and right thumb constantly occupied.
That leaves Jumping, Aiming (zooming) running, crouching, sliding, reloading, switching weapons, melee, equipment and grenades. Those actions are supposed to be able to execute while moving and aiming. That are 9 actions preferably done while moving and aiming. With only two back buttons that leaves one action where you're forced to use your thumb which means you can't move or look for a brief second. And this hypothetical comes from using a pad with two back buttons. So even going the extra mile you're still at a organic disadvantage regarding a smooth experience.
Left and right thumb constantly occupied.
That leaves Jumping, Aiming (zooming) running, crouching, sliding, reloading, switching weapons, melee, equipment and grenades. Those actions are supposed to be able to execute while moving and aiming. That are 9 actions preferably done while moving and aiming. With only two back buttons that leaves one action where you're forced to use your thumb which means you can't move or look for a brief second. And this hypothetical comes from using a pad with two back buttons. So even going the extra mile you're still at a organic disadvantage regarding a smooth experience.
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VN1X
Gold Member
It's just a dumb premise that when taken to its logical extreme makes it nothing more than a glorified shower thought.
People will never instantly get more "skilled" with "better" hardware. A CSGO pro will play just as well on lower-end hardware and a CSGO noob won't ever make it to the professional circuit just because he has a 360hz monitor and the lowest latency input hardware possible.
GametimeUK
Member
You can make that argument, but then again you can make that argument for any third party controller too as long as you perform better with it than the one that came with the console.
But no, I don't really see it as pay to win. You can have the fanciest controller in the world, but if you don't have the fundamentals mastered, map knowledge, good aiming etc in a shooter for example you're just gonna get wrecked by someone that know what they're doing.
I think guns that offer more damage or higher stats in general have more of an impact in game balance than the controller.
But no, I don't really see it as pay to win. You can have the fanciest controller in the world, but if you don't have the fundamentals mastered, map knowledge, good aiming etc in a shooter for example you're just gonna get wrecked by someone that know what they're doing.
I think guns that offer more damage or higher stats in general have more of an impact in game balance than the controller.
PSYGN
Member
Would they make you win all your games? No. Would they put you ahead of many others that don't have back buttons and don't play claw in FPS games? Most definitely. In that regard I would say yes, as it would give you an advantage. But it ultimately depends on if you're adept at the game and if the genre benefits from this config. I've owned modded (back button) controllers since 360 days.
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HeisenbergFX4
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I agree it doesn't make you win but I also agree it gives you an advantage
Thing is in a game like the current COD making you a little better just puts you in a better SBMM
But as others have said like I am playing on 3 gig fiber on a PS5/XSX on a super fast monitor and I feel all of this gives people an advantage as well.
Elitro
Member
Fair point! It could certainly be fixed with a different layout instead of more buttons (for this specific case).
Exactly! The fact that these controllers exist is proof that companies are well aware of the needs of more competitive players (or shooter games in general) and they clearly decided to upsell these players instead of just evolving the base controller.
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