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Do you think that proprietary game engines have answers to UE5's Nanite? Do they need to?
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Kuranghi
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It would be great if they did but I'm fine with the current model fidelity but with much more advanced physics, Nanite will impress for a good while until you realise its all static again.
So I'm more excited to see what the new UE5 physics (Chaos I think its called?) will do for interaction, if I had to choose I'd go with better physics/interaction over Nanite 9/10, depending on what type of game it is because a few games don't really need that interaction and would benefit much more from ultra detail instead.
So I'm more excited to see what the new UE5 physics (Chaos I think its called?) will do for interaction, if I had to choose I'd go with better physics/interaction over Nanite 9/10, depending on what type of game it is because a few games don't really need that interaction and would benefit much more from ultra detail instead.
carloseduardocd
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Nanite should be acessible and easier to use. Many different customers, including non-game companies.
Proprietary engines like RE Engine are exclusive for Capcom developers. Maybe more hard code, less "mouse drag tool". But i guess we will see same interesting implementation on these engines.
4A games for example has awesome illumination implementations on 4A Engine.
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SlimeGooGoo
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VFXVeteran
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Some *may* be working on an answer but most aren't IMO. This tech has been years into the making. Not every developer is going to make a graphics engine as robust as Epic's. Tbh, I don't think there will be many games at all this generation that uses this kind of tech. Remember Epic had showed SVOGI and had to pull back on producing it because of so many problems? That was almost 2 generations ago. And Nvidia released it in their dev kit and it was only used in a handful of games IIRK.
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REDRZA MWS
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Agreed. Physics and much more fluid and physics based animations across all genres would be a big step to me. Those aspects have been neglected far too long now. Along with AI too.
reezoo
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Most of the proprietary engines will have some variation of nanite and lumen. Every hardware generation enables new techniques for rendering this seems to be doing good with GI, virtualized resources (thanks to fast SSDs) and ray tracing.
Examples from last gen are physically based rendering, probers based GI etc.
Examples from last gen are physically based rendering, probers based GI etc.
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Lethal01
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No and Yes.
Nanite meshes already work together with the chaos physics engine, they are rigid, not static. Nanite will lead to more interesting physics not less.
On top of that Epic fully intends for it to be working with deformable and transparent meshes, remember this is only the early access version.
Nanite meshes already work together with the chaos physics engine, they are rigid, not static. Nanite will lead to more interesting physics not less.
On top of that Epic fully intends for it to be working with deformable and transparent meshes, remember this is only the early access version.
Generally speaking only Sony 1st party engines will surpass Unreal. They did with U3 Back in PS3.
They did with U4 during PS4.
They will with U5 with PS5.
Thats one of the benefits of developing with only 1 platform/target in mind.
Im expecting the first real showcase to be God Of War.
My Guesstimate:
Focus on taking advantage of the SSD, 6 priority levels, I/O throughput.
Oodle Kraken and Oodle Texture Kraken, which provides an unexpected speed up in I/O throughput. (Note: Since Epic bought Rad game tools Oodle kraken will be a part of U5)
Focus on the PS5 GPU cache scrubbers which makes the GPU more efficient with importing and exporting data. (Also it reduces the burden on Memory Bandwidth, I read a paper on it last year I think)
Focus on PS5 Geometry Engine (This is where alot of the PS5 performance is at, but Sony haven't had a deep dive yet) they will definitely be skipping LODs, use Virtual Geometry and Virtual Textures.
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Mister Wolf
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Capcom put it work with RE Engine this last gen. I'm sure they will be fine. Interested in seeing their first game using it made for the next gen only.
Not for those engines. I do find it strange though that MS now owns a fairly famous engine but is using unreal.
Kuranghi
Member
I'm saying I would prefer other engines to prioritise better physics before implementing nanite style mesh rendering into their engines.
Portugeezer
Member
Usually proprietary engines impress more, so I would assume developers on a proprietary engine will be able to do more on their respective engines.
Bo_Hazem
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Seems Sony has it in a hardware-level. Primitive shaders inside the geometry engines. Seems to help accelerate Nanite on a hardware level as well instead of only software+CPU.
All of that before going to the rendering pipeline. So should be available on every dev-kit, but of course engines should be tweaked to. Seems would work with any engine in the future.
All of that before going to the rendering pipeline. So should be available on every dev-kit, but of course engines should be tweaked to. Seems would work with any engine in the future.
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mansoor1980
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ue5 is mighty impressive , but other developers arent just going to sit by , they will compete with epic
mansoor1980
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OP would you kindly add DECIMA engine to that list
Negotiator101
Member
Nanite is nothing without Lumen, they go hand in hand.
yurinka
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I think they will implement it somewhere in the future once they start to make next gen only games. As of now and during 2 (maybe even 3 years more) they will continue releasing their games in in previous gen consoles (+sometimes Switch) and PCs with HDD or too slow SSDs+I/O, and games will be made considering the limitations of these old systems that for the next couple of years or so will continue being a very important part of the market, so won't be able to take full advantage of next gen stuff like the one seen in Nanite in these games if they don't want make the old gen versions look too bad.
But yes, not tomorrow but they will take advantage of hardware accelerated primitive/mesh shaders and insanely fast SSD+related I/O on their next gen engines.
Outside Nanite, the other big main UE5 feature is Lumen. I think they will also implement better, more realistic lighting than in the current gen with stuff like proper global illumination, volumetric lighting and reflections. And we may see that faster than Nanite because it's way easier for them to replace the lighting stuff for next gen stuff.
Proper lighting will make things look way more natural and realistic.
But yes, not tomorrow but they will take advantage of hardware accelerated primitive/mesh shaders and insanely fast SSD+related I/O on their next gen engines.
Outside Nanite, the other big main UE5 feature is Lumen. I think they will also implement better, more realistic lighting than in the current gen with stuff like proper global illumination, volumetric lighting and reflections. And we may see that faster than Nanite because it's way easier for them to replace the lighting stuff for next gen stuff.
Proper lighting will make things look way more natural and realistic.
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Dolomite
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Decima will still manage better character models and cleaner animation IMO because they are blood magic satanist of developers, but they aren't answering the LOD, Mip Mapping or GI solutions offered by UE5. Other than them, I'd guess frostbite can give Epic a run. We'll see after E3's BF Gameplay
Astral Dog
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I expect great things from REngine, its evolution is impressive from RE7 to REmake 3, DMC V and VILLAGE(even Switch!)
Astral Dog
Member
Kind of, i still think Square Enix got lucky with UE4, Kingdom Hearts and FFVII turned out well, their own while impressive was such a mess their employees didn't want to use it anymore lol
Platinum is making a new customized engine because they tried UE4 and thought it lacked some tools for their action games
SirTerry-T
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Never underestimate the drive and ego of the talent who design and code game engines
Lethal01
Member
Never underestimate the drive and ego of the talent who design and code game engines
I won't, But whos to say that the drive that went into making nanite/Lumen wasn't strong enough that it will take a couple years to copy.
bitbydeath
Member
Sony literally worked with Epic for years on UE5/Nanite, so… yes.
www.gamesradar.com
Epic reveals how it's been working with Sony for years on Unreal Engine 5
Sweeney talks to Edge about the new next-gen engine