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FIFA says it never liked EA anyway, will see other publishers now
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Lord Thunderbear
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Anybody planning to make an actual rival would still have to make a deal with both FIFPro and FIFA, though - cause the FIFA license by itself isn't that useful...anybody looking to buy a fifa game wouldn't be satisfied with fake squads and players. I wonder if it's even worth to deal with FIFA at all for a bunch of names and logos, on that regard. Maybe we'll end up with a Super League game instead, heh.
thegame983
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The only thing that matters is players & teams licensing. As long as EA still have the real names/kits they will be fine
Yeah, that and the once every 4 years world cup themed game.
All the team/player/stadium/league deals are totally separate which is why some have jumped between being exclusive in pro evo and FIFA. It's beyond idiotic.
They'll need to renegotiate everything. I wouldn't be surprised if EA saw this coming at the end of the contract with FIFA and as insurance added a line to their contracts with teams/etc saying they cant sell the license to any new games in the space for 5+ years. I'm speculating, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear they did that - nobody would've batted an eye at a line like that being added to a contract but it's some incredible insurance.
To be competitive they either need to sell the name to konami and release FIFA 23, which would be fucking hilarious, or they're going to need to fund the development of an entirely new game made by a studio that's never made a large scale football game before - which will also be fucking hilarious. In either option, they're going to make significantly less money than they would if they'd just taken what EA was offering.
The scale of the hubris here is just incredible.
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GasTheWeebs
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Yes, with the salary for Kojima they save now they can buy that.
FrankWza
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EA has the NFL license
Heimdall_Xtreme
Jim Ryan Fanclub's #1 Member
And now Konami should buy the Fifa rights and use the fox engine.
Of course if they are smart
Of course if they are smart
IFireflyl
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Source: https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/how...-fifa-ultimate-team/r1tbutqcbjhx19gkz54rtrp68
If we assume a "substantial portion" is about a third, that means FIFA made EA ~$1.35 billion over a three year period. 2021 was a bigger year than 2020, and is estimated to have made $1,623. This puts our four-year total at approximately ~$1.89 billion over the last four years. That means this deal makes them more money than it loses them. By about double. Also, that is only taking into consideration "extra content". That means the actual game sales themselves is not included. The total copies sold for FIFA 18 and FIFA 19 is 46.4 million. We don't have solid numbers for 2020 or 2021. But if we estimate average sale at $20 per copy (which is lowballing it), that means that is an additional $928 million in just two years of games. If we assume FIFA 20 and FIFA 21 75% of that amount we can put the total sales at 81.2 million, or $1.62 billion. That means the total amount FIFA brought in to EA over the last four years was ~$3.51 billion.
FIFA getting ~28.5% of that does seem high, but that is also an exclusivity deal for EA. This means that FIFA is ONLY found with EA, and that means more people are driven to EA who could potentially branch out and buy other games from their platform as well. EA no longer having FIFA exclusivity means that FIFA sales themselves will drop, but also that competitor sales will increase. I think this is still something that could come back to bite EA. They certainly aren't going belly-up. But it's also not a nothing-burger. That's just my opinion though.
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Derktron
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nightmare-slain
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don't feel bad for EA in the slightest but it's not the end of FIFA. whoever gets to make them now will be lucky cause the games will still sell even if they suck.
my bet is that TakeTwo will get the rights. they got the money (about to sell GTA V for the third generation in a row) and they have the talent at 2K to make sports games like NBA, PGA, and WWE. Shit, they could make up a dedicated studio with people from both 2K + Rockstar. With the money that FIFA brings in it would be totally worth it.
other than TakeTwo the only other realistic option is Konami but I'm not sure if they'd get it. Third choice, although very unlikely, would be SEGA. It'd be a lot of work for Sports Interactive but Football Manager is one of the biggest football games out there. They would at least have an idea what to do but it'd be a huge job going from a management/simulation game with very basic 3D stadium/players up to a game like FIFA 22.
my bet is that TakeTwo will get the rights. they got the money (about to sell GTA V for the third generation in a row) and they have the talent at 2K to make sports games like NBA, PGA, and WWE. Shit, they could make up a dedicated studio with people from both 2K + Rockstar. With the money that FIFA brings in it would be totally worth it.
other than TakeTwo the only other realistic option is Konami but I'm not sure if they'd get it. Third choice, although very unlikely, would be SEGA. It'd be a lot of work for Sports Interactive but Football Manager is one of the biggest football games out there. They would at least have an idea what to do but it'd be a huge job going from a management/simulation game with very basic 3D stadium/players up to a game like FIFA 22.
10101
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28% wouldn’t be too bad if that was for everything, but this is only for the FIFA name and WC competition. They still have to pay for licensing the domestic stuff, players and everything else which someone said was done through FIFPRO. So there is an additional cost there not factored into your equation.
Also another poster said the rumour was FIFA wanted to sell the licence to other companies so the exclusivity may not have been included in that price (although that is just a rumour).
I personally think EA will be fine, but also think you have a point in that this could bite them in the arse long term. I suspect though it’s FIFA who are kicking themselves (bad pun intended) today as they now have a lot more work ahead of them to get that payday.
Either way, I’ll be there popcorn at the ready - I have no love for either organisation
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KormaChameleon
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I find it ironic that a corrupt organisation like FIFA is talking about how bad it is that football is being controlled by one organisation.
Created by the working-class, stolen by the rich.
Created by the working-class, stolen by the rich.
JackSparr0w
Banned
Yeah I'm sure EA is shaking in its boots with an extra billion in its pockets while still having all the teams and player rights.Great news ! FUCK YOU, Eleshitronic Arts
While FIFA is off begging publishers to cough up a billion dollars to develop a football game that will take years and may still fail.
MidGenRefresh
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I'm not like FIFA as I used to like EA.
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Unfortunately for every good game, they released ~50 that's completely crap.
NBA Street
Def Jam Fight For NY
SSX
Burnout
Dead Space
Mass Effect
Star Wars: The Old Republic
The Sims
Unfortunately for every good game, they released ~50 that's completely crap.
Ev1L AuRoN
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That will cause a lot of confusion. Can't say that I'm not enjoying the show.
chigstoke
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For as long as EA have the FIFPro licensing for player names, clubs, stadiums etc... they probably won't give much of a toss because they can still monetise the shit out of Ultimate Team. If people can still spend hundreds of quid packing TOTW's, mum and dad giving the credit card for packs etc... then it'll still be a killer money maker.
Easy move is to just call a game without FIFA branding - 'EA Sports Ultimate Team' and it will sell like hot cakes, as usual.
Off of the top of my head, I can only see Take Two as the most realistic possibility of other publishers if they're willing to develop a footie game under 2K Sports. Sony bring back TiF? Konami spend the big bucks perhaps.
Tencent? Hope not.
Easy move is to just call a game without FIFA branding - 'EA Sports Ultimate Team' and it will sell like hot cakes, as usual.
Off of the top of my head, I can only see Take Two as the most realistic possibility of other publishers if they're willing to develop a footie game under 2K Sports. Sony bring back TiF? Konami spend the big bucks perhaps.
Tencent? Hope not.
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Kokoloko85
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Fifa is bad but its time EA doesnt get a free pass. Literally making the same game for decade and charging people money every year plus extras like loot boxes /dlc like stuff, fifa ultimate team.
Time for EA to disappear and get what the deserve. I hope they never get to sue the name or license again and see how succesful they will be without it. Laziest developers every. At least COD and Assassins creed actually make new games every year
Kokoloko85
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Who says there are gonna get the fifapro licensing?
The game won’t sell the same if the name doesnt contain fifa. Luckily they have no competition
kiphalfton
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This just reminds me of a really bad relationship. From giving ultimatums to talking smack and just otherwise being extremely petty.
I look forward to seeing them both lose out on a boatload of money.
I look forward to seeing them both lose out on a boatload of money.
Magnific0giganticus
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Things went crazy already. FIFA dwarfs NFL which is big but not globally big. Losing NFL would be a few more nails in their coffin though. But losing FIFA puts them in the coffin.
chigstoke
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EA recently renewed a long term contract with FIFPro
I firmly believe it will. Nearly every fifa player knows what Ultimate Team is, and the people that buy it for UT far outweigh those of us who play clubs or career mode. They’d be daft not to have that as the new name if the license for FIFA goes elsewhere.
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Kokoloko85
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I didnt know fifapro is separate to fifa
Lognor
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$1b might be double, but wasn't ea making a shit ton off fifa? $1b might be the fair market value.
DevilHunterX0
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FIFA has a Tinder account now?
Keihart
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From the little i have played and what people that do play a lot always though, PES always seemed like the better game only suffering of licenced teams and players or less than stellar graphics, but gameplay was always better in that franchise. Maybe this is the moment when Konami takes a clever decision and pushes the PES team into a licensed FIFA game and conrners the market.
EA was definitely making bank as |Firefly| pointed out here, earlier on in the thread.
But EA can probably safely go on without the FIFA license. They have separate licenses to keep using the official team names, player names, and player likenesses. The loss of the FIFA license means only the loss of the "FIFA" name, "FIFA" logo, and the right to include the World Cup in their future titles. I think this is definitely a calculated risk that EA is fine with taking here. To me, it seems like FIFA needs EA more than EA needs FIFA at the moment.
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Grechy34
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Have you seen the profit FIFA generates?
This is fantastic. EA have shit on the FIFA franchise for a long time now, pushing out lacklustre rehashes on a yearly basis. The micro transactions are one thing but when people are consistently spending money for terrible returns (try getting a half decent card in UT - I was an addict for a year so I'm well aware)
supernova8
Banned
To be fair they already abandoned PES and are calling it eFootball (because they are absolute clowns).
supernova8
Banned
They've been using the fox engine for PES and it's still shit.
TwiztidElf
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Microsoft gonna clean up here. Unfortunately.
They might finally get their Europe W, if they don't cop severe backlash.
NFL caught not paying attention.
They might finally get their Europe W, if they don't cop severe backlash.
NFL caught not paying attention.
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