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[Skifi28]

likely a CPU bottleneck. If you look at the quality mode which typically runs at 1440p internal resolution, a GPU 3-4x more powerful should run it at 4k 60 fps as long as its not paired up with a trash Zen 2 CPU like the 2700x.

How is it a CPU bottleneck when the game has to consistently drop resolution to get 60fps?

 

[daninthemix]

Curious if a 4090 could even run this game at native 4k60.

Curious why it would need to when Nvidia's DLSS is objectively superior to native.

 

[geary]

If they release it only on Epic, than Square is deserving all the bad financial they had...

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Right, so propping this game like it's some technical marvel pushing tech limits bringing GPU's to their knees is bullshit. These guys are just lacking at their job.

It actually is technically impressive, especially real time cutscenes

But Square simply does not prioritize Framerate, and generally their games on PC aren’t well optimized

They seem to do better when only one platform is involved

 

[Caffeine]

I don't think they will be insane enough to release it on epic. This one feels like when 15 dropped and is coming to steam.

 

[Zathalus]

likely a CPU bottleneck. If you look at the quality mode which typically runs at 1440p internal resolution, a GPU 3-4x more powerful should run it at 4k 60 fps as long as its not paired up with a trash Zen 2 CPU like the 2700x.

The quality mode drops to 1080p. And dropping resolution has got absolutely nothing to do with the GPU. Even counting out frame drops that is still 1080/30 and 720/60 at the worst.

 

[Chukhopops]

Right, so propping this game like it's some technical marvel pushing tech limits bringing GPU's to their knees is bullshit. These guys are just lacking at their job.

Also it’s not like SE has the best track record when it comes to PC ports so it may not even run that much better.

The game has really good art direction (and that’s all it has, honestly) but I wouldn’t expect something extraordinary out of the PC port.

 

[Shifty1897]

Curious if a 4090 could even run this game at native 4k60.

If it doesn't, the PC version is poorly optimized.

 

[ClosBSAS]

Curious if a 4090 could even run this game at native 4k60.

Lol if its optimized a 4090 can run anything. Hell, even my 3090 build can run anything. Pa5 is already becoming obsolete, pro version needs to come out soon

 

[Gaiff]

Gaiff this is running at Native 4K over 60fps Max Settings with Raytraced Reflections, Raytraced Shadows, and RTAO. If FF16 cant hit 4K 60 on the 4090 it has everything to do with the ineptness of the developers.

Right, but that's a different game. Rift Apart on PS5 in hits 4K/30 with RT reflections. FF XVI doesn't even sniff 4K on PS5 so we cannot extrapolate the performance from a highly competent developer.

I will say this though, Skull & Bones runs at 720p upscaled to 1440p using FSR2 on SX/PS5 to hit 60fps (and still dips at times). The 4090 on the other hand has no problem hitting 90fps+ at 4K native. That's 9x the pixel count at a 50% higher frame rate so it's pushing 13.5x as many pixels every second lmao. We need to consider the impact of FSR2 but this still makes no sense given the performance profiles.



4K60 on a 4090 isn't impossible, especially given the visual makeup of this game but using PS5 as a baseline, it seems like a tall order.

 

[IFireflyl]

Is what I’m saying even that controversial? Remake is a mess that’s packed with filler and nomura nonsense. Go find 3 cats! Go fetch me 2 McGuffins! If you like it, that’s fine too but many fans of the old game don’t like it.

It's controversial in the sense that we are on the internet, and the average internet citizen behaves like:

 

[SlimySnake]

The quality mode drops to 1080p. And dropping resolution has got absolutely nothing to do with the GPU. Even counting out frame drops that is still 1080/30 and 720/60 at the worst.

Very rarely. i played the game for 60 hours and i could immediately tell when it was dropping to 1080p. Its a 1440p game that can actually go up to 1728p at times.

There is some kind of bottleneck on consoles that is causing devs to drop resolutions all the way to 720p to hit 60 fps and in FF16's case, it doesnt even work. It STILL drops frames at 720p in some battles. And thats after they downgraded the settings. Skull and Bones just came out, runs at native 4k 30 fps on consoles and then drops to 720p in the 60 fps mode. If the GPU is powerful enough to run at native 4k then it should be powerful enough run games at half the resolution or around half, not dropping to 1/8th the resolution just to hit 60 fps.

I ran the skull and bones beta just fine at 4k 60 fps maxed out with ray tracing on my 3080. This card is roughly 2x more powerful than the PS5 and yet it is performing 8x better in the 60 fps mode. something doesnt add up.

 

[MagiusNecros]

If they release it only on Epic, than Square is deserving all the bad financial they had...

They probably will. Trend is usually Console > Epic only > PC.

 

[SkylineRKR]

Don't fall for the demo. Narrative and pacing wise it never gets this good again.

 

[analog_future]

Curious if a 4090 could even run this game at native 4k60.

"Native" doesn't really mean anything anymore.

Will be thrilled to play this with DLSS Quality 4k & Frame Generation for 4k/90-120 on my setup.

 

[proandrad]

Best FF in years, but you are going to need a monster rig if you want to play this at 60fps.

 

[VolticArchangel]

Watch it be Epic exclusive for a year. Lmaooooo

 

[Slimboy Fat]

After playing the demo I was in day 1 for the PC version, but the more I saw of it and the more time passed and the honeymoon perioid ended I think I’ll pass. FF is basically Sonic now where every new entry is supposed to be the good one but they all stink.

But on steam you'll probably be able to get it for a couple of bucks on sale. I think it'll be worth it at some point just for the presentation alone lol

 

[kazuyamishima]

About a year later, but better than never.

I hope that all the people saying exclusivity killed this game will support the PC version.

 

[Nickolaidas]

Perfect. Gimme.

About a year later, but better than never.

I hope that all the people saying exclusivity killed this game will support the PC version.

I'll buy it day one.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

After playing the demo I was in day 1 for the PC version, but the more I saw of it and the more time passed and the honeymoon perioid ended I think I’ll pass. FF is basically Sonic now where every new entry is supposed to be the good one but they all stink.

I loved the demo but the full game is so disappointing. Probably tied with Spore as my biggest gaming disappointment of all time. It’s such a boring, pointless slog like 80% of the time. It sucks whether you judge it as a JRPG or a character action game.

 

[Brock2621]

After playing the demo I was in day 1 for the PC version, but the more I saw of it and the more time passed and the honeymoon perioid ended I think I’ll pass. FF is basically Sonic now where every new entry is supposed to be the good one but they all stink.

Dude I promise you won’t regret it. It’s not sonic, and the story arc itself is amazing. I implore you to jump in

 

[Gaiff]

Dude I promise you won’t regret it. It’s not sonic, and the story arc itself is amazing. I implore you to jump in

I loved the demo but the full game is so disappointing. Probably tied with Spore as my biggest gaming disappointment of all time. It’s such a boring, pointless slog like 80% of the time. It sucks whether you judge it as a JRPG or a character action game.

One of them is a liar. Find the truth and expose them!

 

[mckmas8808]

After playing the demo I was in day 1 for the PC version, but the more I saw of it and the more time passed and the honeymoon perioid ended I think I’ll pass. FF is basically Sonic now where every new entry is supposed to be the good one but they all stink.

NOPE! Totally wrong!

 

[Pedro Motta]

After playing the demo I was in day 1 for the PC version, but the more I saw of it and the more time passed and the honeymoon perioid ended I think I’ll pass. FF is basically Sonic now where every new entry is supposed to be the good one but they all stink.

The problem with this game it's being called Final Fantasy. Any other name or brand and it would be one of the best action games of the decade. Its a great action game, it's a lousy Final Fantasy.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

The problem with this game it's being called Final Fantasy. Any other name or brand and it would be one of the best action games of the decade. Its a great action game, it's a lousy Final Fantasy.

It’s terrible as an action game. Enemies don’t even fight back, they just stand there like training dummies while you rotate through your 6 abilities off cooldown and chip away at their health.

Maybe it’s better on “Final Fantasy mode” or whatever. But I’m not going to play a boring 50+ hour game just to replay it again at a higher difficulty. Especially when all the sidequests, exploration, and (lack of) RPG elements are also so dreadfully boring.

 

[SlimySnake]

One of them is a liar. Find the truth and expose them!

It’s not a lie to state that the final game is nothing like the game of thrones inspired almost naughty dog quality storytelling you see in the demo.

The game is fine but they suckered a lot of people in with that very misleading demo. Only the combat is the same. The story is less game of thrones and more like the last few hours of ff15. Over the top classic jrpg nonsense.

The 4 eikon battles are cool but in a 60 hour game, that’s not enough.

 

[SantaC]

Eh FF7 rebirth is the more attractive game but yeah i take it.

 

[SantaC]

They probably will. Trend is usually Console > Epic only > PC.

If you mean by trend it was one game lol

 

[Schmendrick]

Square Enix and optimization.... Right.
Oh well not that I'd ever touch this bloated bag of fetch quests again.

 

[DonkeyPunchJr]

It’s not a lie to state that the final game is nothing like the game of thrones inspired almost naughty dog quality storytelling you see in the demo.

The game is fine but they suckered a lot of people in with that very misleading demo. Only the combat is the same. The story is less game of thrones and more like the last few hours of ff15. Over the top classic jrpg nonsense.

The 4 eikon battles are cool but in a 60 hour game, that’s not enough.

Plus for every riveting GoT-style scene filled with dramatic tension and intrigue, or bombastic AAA set piece, there are 10 others where it’s characters standing there like mannequins yapping on and on about something nobody cares about.

I swear this was originally planned as a linear character action FF spinoff game that would’ve been maybe 15-20 hours. Then they added all the sidequests, open exploration, totally pointless crafting system, etc in order to justify calling it Final Fantasy XVI. The quality difference is pretty dramatic.

 

[kazuyamishima]

I'll buy it day one.

Beautiful, I hope more people buy the game, it's good.

 

[proandrad]

Most people enjoyed the game, but the ones that didn’t are really vocal about it. It’s not your classic jrpg and the side quest are just to pad the game. But if don’t feel the need to 100% every game and just skip the parts you aren’t enjoying, FF16 puts on a hell of show.

 

[paolo11]

If it’s a high spec required game, so be it but it has to be optimized . No micro stutters if possible

 

[Celcius]

From Game Informer, more at the link: https://www.gameinformer.com/news/2...l-stages-of-optimization-expect-a-demo-before

My guess is a release date will be announced around GDC in 2 weeks where there is a talk planned about FFXVI and the final DLC with Leviathan, the Rising Tide. The Eikon fights should look even more spectacular.

Yep that's my thought as well - an announcement in 2 weeks at PAX or GDC

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Will try a Demo

 

[Gaiff]

Very rarely. i played the game for 60 hours and i could immediately tell when it was dropping to 1080p. Its a 1440p game that can actually go up to 1728p at times.

There is some kind of bottleneck on consoles that is causing devs to drop resolutions all the way to 720p to hit 60 fps and in FF16's case, it doesnt even work. It STILL drops frames at 720p in some battles. And thats after they downgraded the settings. Skull and Bones just came out, runs at native 4k 30 fps on consoles and then drops to 720p in the 60 fps mode. If the GPU is powerful enough to run at native 4k then it should be powerful enough run games at half the resolution or around half, not dropping to 1/8th the resolution just to hit 60 fps.

I ran the skull and bones beta just fine at 4k 60 fps maxed out with ray tracing on my 3080. This card is roughly 2x more powerful than the PS5 and yet it is performing 8x better in the 60 fps mode. something doesnt add up.

From the videos I've seen it falls a bit short of 4K60 fps on a 3080 at max settings. It's generally 50-55fps. Still, that's almost 9x times the amount of raw pixels and even factoring that they're upscaling from 720p to 1440p doesn't explain the disparity.

There is some fuckery going on in some console games where the res drops way too low. On PC with a 2070S and a 3600, console settings, and DLSS Performance at 1440p, it maintains 80fps+. I think native 1080p/60fps would have been far preferable to 720p upscaled to 1440p using FSR. The only place where it's CPU-limited is in St.Anne's where it can drop to the high 50s on a 3600. Otherwise, it's 70-100fps in the open world.

 

[Go_Ly_Dow]

At PS5 settings the 4090 will do 4K 60 easily.

It's a beautiful game already on base PS5 in quality mode, so simply slapping on crisper IQ with better resolution along with 60fps and it will look wonderful.




Maybe I should buy a gaming PC.

 

[ChiefDada]

Curious why it would need to when Nvidia's DLSS is objectively superior to native.

Not always. Depends on the TAA technique being used.

Right, so propping this game like it's some technical marvel pushing tech limits bringing GPU's to their knees is bullshit. These guys are just lacking at their job.

Their shadow rendering technique is very gpu intensive, often compared to RT shadows, and has received praise from DF, NXGamer, etc.

http://www.jp.square-enix.com/tech/library/pdf/2023_FFXVIShadowTechPaper.pdf

In regards to optimization, it seems to me this game was designed to run at 30fps on PS5 console and Square didn't anticipate gaming community's demand for 60fps with the current generation so performance mode was haphazardly tacked on late in development. I expect high end PC to be able to brute force at or near 4k60.

 

[Bojji]

This won't run at native 4k in 60fps on 4090 unless they optimized it better than PS5 version. There are games that push 4090 below this level of performance (like remnant 2) so I don't get why it would be so surprising.

It will do fine with DLSS if it is implemented.

 

[CrimsonSquall]

Been waiting to play the DLCs for this eventual expansion. Can't wait to run through it again. Once this thing is flying at max settings and people can witness it on appropriate hardware, they're going to be stunned at how incredible this game is. Final Fantasy diehards always hate what's new at first because negativity is the fastest way to have an opinion, but as people process the experience they'll slowly see the light.

Spoiler

L3 + R3 to face the truth

is one the most powerful moments in gaming in recent memory.

Beautiful game.

Chills. This game wasn’t perfect but come on yall this is a standout JRPG in the genre.

The highs in this game imo have almost no parallels, it’s an impressive af game.

 

[Celcius]

Well, today’s the day we were guessing that we would finally find out the FF16 PC release date at PAX…

Listing

east.paxsite.com

edit: All they said about the PC version was more info "soon".