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[The Cockatrice]

Found this on reddit/twitter as its slowly blowing up.

Sources: https://careerconnection.jp/review/569991/


theres more darker stuff on that twitter feed. True or not, what do you think gaf? I know work culture in Japan is rough but is it as rough as we think or worse?

 

[ManaByte]

 

[Draugoth]

Furiously writes article

 

[Punished Miku]

The low pay gives the work meaning.

 

[The Cockatrice]

I beat him to the punch. Wheres my income?

 

[Kiddo Cabbusses]

You could say it's the Dark Souls of employment.

 

[Lucifers Beard]

This doesn’t seem very good at all if true. The salary seems low but I have no idea what the cost of living is like in Japan so can’t really comment.

Everything else however doesn’t seem great!

 

[EviLore]

Japanese culture (I'm an expert) woefully undervalues software developers compared to the west, even when they're outputting a massively successful product. It's not a problem specific to FROM, and it's unlikely to be something that can change through western activism. The people making these brilliant games should be properly compensated and treated like the golden gods they are, but it's not a just world.

 

[DonJorginho]

The Dark Souls of Job Roles.

 

[SEGA_2012]

So basically Miyazaki is a Dark Souls Boss in real life

 

[The Cockatrice]

Japanese culture (I'm an expert) woefully undervalues software developers compared to the west, even when they're outputting a massively successful product. It's not a problem specific to FROM, and it's unlikely to be something that can change through western activism. The people making these brilliant games should be properly compensated and treated like the golden gods they are, but it's not a just world.

At the very least considering most japanese games have very bad level design, the people working on the souls game maps should be given a fucking statue.

 

[SSfox]

"MUH i need attention, what should i do?... Oh yeah let's write some dramas about the things that is the HYPE at the moment"

Yeah as usual...

You have the Japanese that are passionte about art. And the Westerner passionte about dramas.

 

[Badlucktroll]

Maybe things will change once Sony buys them

 

[Fools idol]

Japanese culture (I'm an expert) woefully undervalues software developers compared to the west, even when they're outputting a massively successful product. It's not a problem specific to FROM, and it's unlikely to be something that can change through western activism. The people making these brilliant games should be properly compensated and treated like the golden gods they are, but it's not a just world.

Lol. this meme will never die. Long live.

It isn't just software devs tbh, it's a culture wide industry agnostic problem sadly. I highly doubt were getting based Elden Ring from the gulag to to speak, but it sucks it's not a better place to work

 

[SJRB]

Elden Ring publisher rewards devs with pay rise after incredible launch - Dexerto

After the remarkable launch of Elden Ring, publisher Bandai Namco has handed devs a hefty pay rise to celebrate the achievement.

www.dexerto.com

Not a fix by any stretch, but they all did get a raise, apparantly.

 

[Orbital2060]

Ive always wondered what Nintendo employees in Japan make each year.

 

[rofif]

These websites are only used by disgruntled ass employees

 

[Dick Jones]

Jason already knew it but didn't want to break it yet.

OP please credit Jason's unpublished Bloomberg article. /s

 

[Dr_Salt]

Elden Ring publisher rewards devs with pay rise after incredible launch - Dexerto

After the remarkable launch of Elden Ring, publisher Bandai Namco has handed devs a hefty pay rise to celebrate the achievement.

www.dexerto.com

Not a fix by any stretch, but they all did get a raise, apparantly.

Bandai Namco isn't the developer.

 

[Banjo64]

Keep cracking that whip Miyazaki, your disgruntled slaves are making quality games for us to enjoy.

 

[Hugare]

"Japan work culture" and all that

But they should be decently compensated, specially now with Elden Ring's success

While playing Eldenr Ring I thought "how the hell they were able to make all this content in such small time?"

Well, now I know

 

[Fools idol]

you guys dunk on press sneak fuck a little too hard imho. He does good exposing bullshit in the industry and it's overall a better place because of it.

 

[Clear]

Concern trolling bullshit at its finest.

Be honest, you really don't give a fuck.

And if by some chance you do, why do you particularly care about this group of office workers in a different country?

Just bear in mind if you want to argue that you care because they made a piece of work that you especially like, what does that say about your lack of regard for the other underpaid, overworked people in that culture? Do they not deserve your pearl-clutching because their labour doesn't benefit you in some way?

 

[worldwithpyramids]

Oh, wow, 13 reviews half from temporary/contract employees and almost all written in 2011-2013.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

Ive always wondered what Nintendo employees in Japan make each year.

Entry level salary is 3m yen, 3.5m with bonuses. Nintendo gives you a guaranteed pay raise every year though, which is why the average salary at the company is 9m yen (without bonuses). If you stay there for a decade you're gonna earn decent money.

 

[sigmaZ]

 

[SlimySnake]

$29k is awful. You could make more working at McDonald’s nowadays

 

[Dirk Benedict]

you guys dunk on press sneak fuck a little too hard imho. He does good exposing bullshit in the industry and it's overall a better place because of it.

Until he withholds information until it suits himself, such as someone breaking news and he all of a sudden, chimes in about how he already knew.
He isn't a saint by any stretch.

 

[JPSLotus97T]

I think what would be interesting to know is the turnover rate at a place like FROM with that kind of pay.

 

[Fools idol]

Until he withholds information until it suits himself, such as someone breaking news and he all of a sudden, chimes in about how he already knew.
He isn't a saint by any stretch.

Who is?

 

[mxbison]

You still think their gonna use all that Elden Ring money to fix their shitty engine?

 

[Beer Baelly]

 

[saintjules]

Spoiler

*another one*

 

[Dream-Knife]

So it's the Dark Souls of game designers?

 

[mxbison]

Just bear in mind if you want to argue that you care because they made a piece of work that you especially like, what does that say about your lack of regard for the other underpaid, overworked people in that culture? Do they not deserve your pearl-clutching because their labour doesn't benefit you in some way?

Of course they do.

Every country has tons of underpaid workers and it all sucks equally. And some weirdos always defend it because it's nice to have someone to look down on.

 

[nemiroff]

If you (not _you_, but urinalists and people who live in twitter) only started to care about this right now then your fake ass concern tells me you're just a low-life clout chaser.

 

[Panajev2001a]

Japanese culture (I'm an expert) woefully undervalues software developers compared to the west, even when they're outputting a massively successful product. It's not a problem specific to FROM, and it's unlikely to be something that can change through western activism. The people making these brilliant games should be properly compensated and treated like the golden gods they are, but it's not a just world.

True, but it looks like all salaries are compressed and the result is a cashier at a supermarket does not make a lot lot less than a software developer or higher ranking executive. People used to also place more emphasis on the social status of the position too.

Do we want to copy that? Maybe not, but does it help society cohesion if we can raise the minimum level and while there is a difference the salary delta between most jobs is not a high as we are used to?

 

[sircaw]

I am really hoping there is some sort of bonus scheme attached to the game's financial success.

Of course is not a long-term solution but it could be a start.

 

[The Cockatrice]

Concern trolling bullshit at its finest.

Be honest, you really don't give a fuck.

And if by some chance you do, why do you particularly care about this group of office workers in a different country?

Just bear in mind if you want to argue that you care because they made a piece of work that you especially like, what does that say about your lack of regard for the other underpaid, overworked people in that culture? Do they not deserve your pearl-clutching because their labour doesn't benefit you in some way?

Some of us care about devs tho. I never praise Kojima, I never Praise Sony or Microsoft, I praise the working man/woman that give us the games not the ones gaf drools about in every single thread. At the end of the day we can't really do anything can we? Stop buying the games? Then the devs suffer. Buy the games? Money goes to publisher, devs still suffer? Criticize the game with low ratings? Devs suffers again. THeres no winning for them either way. We can bring shit to light but yeah doubt anything will ever change. Maybe a little.

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Who is?

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Japanese culture (I'm an expert) woefully undervalues software developers compared to the west, even when they're outputting a massively successful product. It's not a problem specific to FROM, and it's unlikely to be something that can change through western activism. The people making these brilliant games should be properly compensated and treated like the golden gods they are, but it's not a just world.

Animators and manga authors are pretty miserable too from what I've heard due to low pay and high stress.

 

[rodrigolfp]

Are they badly paid because are bad at programming or they are bad at programming because are badly paid?

 

[Spukc]

you should read his book i heard it's great

 

[EviLore]

True, but it looks like alla salaries are compressed and the result is a cashier at a supermarket does not make a lot lot less than a software developer or higher ranking executive. People used to also place more emphasis on the social status of the position too.

Do we want to copy that? Maybe not, but does it help society cohesion if we can raise the minimum level and while there is a difference the salary delta between most jobs is not a high as we are used to?

The social cohesion can be attributed to the collectivist culture rather than salary compression specifically. Software development, as you know, is highly technical knowledge work with a large commercial upside, and as such should be well paid in any reasonable market system.

 

[Jennings]

These numbers are meaningless in a vacuum. I'd like to see how they rate vs other AA->AAA game developers experiencing explosive growth over the last ten years.

 

[Yoboman]

Animators and manga authors are pretty miserable too from what I've heard due to low pay and high stress.

Yeah but the potential for a manga author to become super rich is much greater than an animator or game developer

 

[kevm3]

Pretty much sounds like the game industry, which is super trash. I refuse to make any efforts on getting in the game industry.

 

[FingerBang]

The social cohesion can be attributed to the collectivist culture rather than salary compression specifically. Software development, as you know, is highly technical knowledge work with a large commercial upside, and as such should be well paid in any reasonable market system.

On top of that, most people are hired in bulk and the number of CS graduates is still low, so what happens is that after the initial training that is common to the entire company, you get assigned to a department. You could go to sales, you could go to marketing or to engineering. They basically make you a software developer from scratch, even though you studied something completely different. Your salary will be the same as everybody else.

Things have gotten better recently though. Many companies have started hiring foreigners and I've seen those salaries make big jumps. I have a friend that at 26 is making 10M yen a year as a front end developer and I was making 7M with a couple of years of experience just a few years ago.

 

[EviLore]

Things have gotten better recently though. Many companies have started hiring foreigners and I've seen those salaries make big jumps. I have a friend that at 26 is making 10M yen a year as a front end developer and I was making 7M with a couple of years of experience just a few years ago.

Ah, glad to hear it.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Miyazaki backstabs anyone trying to leave early