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Horizon: Forbidden West has sold over 8.4 million copies since launch
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Physiognomonics
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Good game mostly elevated by the outstanding graphics (except for that eternal fog) and some epic fights against the machines. but overall it's less good than the first game where at least the combat (vs machines) was new and interesting.
The game is just too big for its own sake. The first game already had uninteresting exploration and here the world is just bigger and even more boring. 'RPG' systems are way too complex and pointless. There are no rewards whatsover for any exploration, crafting stuff or learning anything about the world or the people.
The problem with the story and its characters is that the whole game is hopelessly woke in every way imaginable. At some point you just can't ignore the propaganda that is pushed by the whole thing reminding me of (very good) chinese movies I have watched that were nonethess 100% propaganda material.
The game is just too big for its own sake. The first game already had uninteresting exploration and here the world is just bigger and even more boring. 'RPG' systems are way too complex and pointless. There are no rewards whatsover for any exploration, crafting stuff or learning anything about the world or the people.
The problem with the story and its characters is that the whole game is hopelessly woke in every way imaginable. At some point you just can't ignore the propaganda that is pushed by the whole thing reminding me of (very good) chinese movies I have watched that were nonethess 100% propaganda material.
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Guerilla Munch
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literally all they had to do was make Ahoy a qt3.14 with bikini armor and the game would have sold 46 million copies
yurinka
Member
It's just you.
I may be wrong, but I think all the other PS and Xbox exclusives and first party games ever published sold less than that in this period, with only GoW 2018, GoWR and Spider-Man (maybe also 1 or 2 Sony games more) as exceptions.
On top of that, the first one selling 24.3M seems it's the best selling Sony game (or PS console exclusive) ever.
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BiohazardX95
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Well, they just removed spiderman, so horizon may not be on PS plus forever
TheRedRiders
Member
Yup.
Glad to hear it sold so well, it's been my favorite game since the PS5 launched.
Hopefully now a lot of the stupid narratives and takes surrounding the game's sales and success will die down
Fake
Member
You are putting a lot of information without context. God of War was and always will be the best IP from Sony not matter how fanboys try to spin.
Previous GoW don't have the chance HFW had to sell digitally as every game those days gain from digital store.
Previous GoW games have one single plataform as well (PS2), while HFW have like 3 consoles (PS4, PRO and PS5), and I quite sure Sony will put this game on PC.
I guess GoT and Days Gone did 'OKish', while TLOUS franchise did their numbers as well.
Again, as much we like to see numbers like those, God of War:Ragnarok cost 200m to production. Sony was pretty confident about the sucess of GoW:Ragnarok for saying the total cost. IDK why you guys keep forgeting this. Those games cost tons of money to make, so when I saw companies (ND) afraid of telling what was the total cost of their game show they don't have much confidence yet to compare sales vs cost.
And I not even pointing out discounts, bundles, etc... because those do indeed help to inflate numbers.
IMO Guerrila should move on with maybe a new IP or Killzone revival.
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Die Namek Ability
Member
Wait...people are downplaying this? Since when is 8.4 mil in one year, fuck even lifetime considered meh?
SEGAvangelist
Gold Member
It's clearly because they didn't even pay a dollar for the game like all the Game Pass subs.
Kokoloko85
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Im guessing the first game with over 24+ million sales was also thanks to bundles right lol
Kokoloko85
Member
Does it upset you when a game sells well?
Gambit2483
Member
You're looking at this from the wrong angle.
For an IP that was newly established less than 8 years ago and is often rife with controversy (for one reason or another) that's actually pretty damn good that it can even come close to an Established long-time beloved IP like GOW
Fake
Member
That post was from a duplicate thread (they merged three threads btw), but I sure you notice that.
Also is funny you mention the word 'upset'.
mrmustard
Banned
I think around 30% for this one and GoW could be a realistic number. Console shortages + bundles was a perfect example of when life gives you lemons, make lemonade.
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Kokoloko85
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Fake
Member
I didnt notice that. Apologises.
Did you get upset though lol
Why should I? Is a celebration thread after all.
Kokoloko85
Member
Im only kidding
touchfuzzy
Member
Right? I'm not trying to start something here, obviously it's a very solid performance when compared to games overall, but you can't tell me it's a result Sony would be super excited about.
Like if next summer we heard Tears of the Kingdom sold 8M copies (same pace as BOTW) that would be very underwhelming performance too. And don't go on and on about oh Zelda is a huge legacy franchise of course it will do mega numbers, Horizon 1 outsold every Zelda game other than BOTW by a huge margin.
The artful mincer
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Nautilus
Banned
Exactly. People forget that companies don't want to only break even or have an ok profit, they want to laugh all the way to the bank.
And that's especially tru for Sony titles, whose budgets now hover around the 200 million mark (!!!!!). They want to make 5x times that number, at least, to justify the risk. Not just double it.
The artful mincer
Member
That's some serious selective history. God of war became the biggest ip with 2018. Uncharted, last of us and gran turismo were bigger before that.
These numbers from Horizon are crazy for a new IP. Only the last of us may have got to these numbers quicker and that's up for debate.
A new IP might be worth doing but going back to killzone after this would be madness.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Yeah but how many of those 20+ million were bundles and cheap copies long after the game came out? I myself bought four copies. Two in bundles as gifts, one day one on release, and another like two years later because I lost my disc and the complete edition was readily available for $13 at Walmart. Remember when people were comparing its early sales to Zelda? A year or so later the complete version of HZD is less than $15 and base Zelda is still selling better at $60
Oh I forgot another reason to sequel might end up lower, it’s on the higher tier of PS+. That’s how I played it. I wanted the HFW bundle since I couldn’t find a non-bundle PS5 and I have no interest in Ragnorok, but GoW bundle is all I could find. I was super close to ordering a physical copy of FW but then I saw it was on the service.
Anyway I hope it exceeds whatever their sales projections are, I got the plat and the story needs to be concluded.
gow3isben
Member
Overall good sales not incredible but good
DrFigs
Member
The fact of the matter is that Horizon is a bad series. The fact that it is selling so well, is noteworthy. Even if a lot of those are at a discount.Yeah but how many of those 20+ million were bundles and cheap copies long after the game came out? I myself bought four copies. Two in bundles as gifts, one day one on release, and another like two years later because I lost my disc and the complete edition was readily available for $13 at Walmart. Remember when people were comparing its early sales to Zelda? A year or so later the complete version of HZD is less than $15 and base Zelda is still selling better at $60
Oh I forgot another reason to sequel might end up lower, it’s on the higher tier of PS+. That’s how I played it. I wanted the HFW bundle since I couldn’t find a non-bundle PS5 and I have no interest in Ragnorok, but GoW bundle is all I could find. I was super close to ordering a physical copy of FW but then I saw it was on the service.
Anyway I hope it exceeds whatever their sales projections are, I got the plat and the story needs to be concluded.
DeepEnigma
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yurinka
Member
No, it's the context of the best selling Sony games. I'd like to know if there is a GoW previous to GoW 2018 that sold something remotely close to the 24.3M units sold by Horizon Zero Dawn because as far as I know it isn't the case.
And Horizon Forbidden West seems to be selling at a similar if not faster speed than Horizon Zero Dawn.
As far as I remember GoW, GoW2, Ghost of Sparta and Chain of Olympus had remasters and collections.
A year and a month after release TLOU had sold 7M + an extra million from its remaster, a total of 8M. Forbidden West sold 8.4M in a year and two months. GoT sold 9.73M two years after release.
According to a codirector and a website that made pretty good estimates according to what he saw when he was at Sony, Days Gone sold 8M a year and a half after release. According to the annoncement of the Days Gone movie (3 years and 4 months after release) the game had sold 9M.
We don't know how much did it cost. This was what apparently what a journalist estimated and wrote in an article about an interview with Shuhei Yoshida.
Ragnarok is the fastest selling Sony exclusive ever with 11M units sold in 3 months. Not sure if Spider-Man or Horizon Zero Dawn is the best selling Sony game ever, but Ragnarok seems on track to outsell both.
As of now HZD is Sony's best selling game ever or the second. HFW is selling at aprox. the same speed or faster. Guerrilla won't move on, it would be a stupid move on Sony's side. It's like to ask Nintendo to stop making Mario games or to ask MS to stop making Forza games.
To make something else in addition to more Horizon games, like a new IP or a new Killzone? Yes, it would be nice.
Vroadstar
Member
Exclusive unfinished game from my favorite console that's been derided universally - I have fun!
Exclusive game from a different console - boring!
Thirty7ven
Banned
DrFigs
Member
It is selling well and it is a bad game. I don't think i've told a lie yet.
Fake
Member
God of War was always their greater IP dude. Comparing PS2 vs PS2 games, not PS2 era sales vs GoW 2018 sales.
And back in day HZD was a new IP. And is not like they can't do others projects. They did VR.
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SmokedMeat
Gamer™
I’ll check out the complete edition when it hits PC.
Hopefully it’s better than the first game.
Hopefully it’s better than the first game.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Ok.
The artful mincer
Member
No it wasn't gran turismo was. Why are we pretending the ps3 era doesn't exist?
Uncharted and The Last of Us were bigger in the ps3 era at the end.
TheGodfather07
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So zero dawn is at 24m? So much for being over shadowed by zelda. Sold almost the same amount and it was a new ip. How many new ip can sell almost 25m copies?
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graywolf323
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Ogbert
Member
It’s not.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
So deserved. Horizon Forbidden West was the GOTY.
Better than Elden Ring or God Of DLC Ragnarok...that right i said it.
Come at me GAF
Topher
Gold Member
Not a "fact" at all.
