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How PlayStation Plus Compares to Xbox Game Pass and Nintendo Switch Online
Dr Bass
Member
So? It’s a dumb ass marketing phrase. And “better” … eh. First off, are the games better? Your time is infinitely more valuable than your money. So if it gets you to play a bunch of mediocre stuff and waste your time … that’s not better to me. I’d much rather spend 70 bucks each on the games I want than root through what I have available. That to me is an objectively better setup and life than what the current situation is. Maybe when starfield hits that will change. Currently, it ain’t good.
And back to the phrase.
Do you remember in the late 90s (if you were around) how AOL coined the phrase “you’ve got mail!” You can probably hear it in your head as you read that.
Now do you remember a show called Crank Yankers that had a less than intelligent character who would incessantly say “I’ve got mail, I’ve got mail, yaaaaaaay. I’ve got mail, I’ve got mail, yaaaaaaay”?
“Day one games, day one games, yaaaaaaay!”
Yeah, that’s how it comes across.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
What in the blue rat madness is going on here now. All I’ve seen is that subscription services are shit for the last few years and now suddenly everywhere I look on social media in the last 24 hours there is i guess a small vocal minority of insane Sony fans doing list wars and stanning for this new service with very little concrete details. I am actually sure these are the same accounts that were saying how shit these services are etc.
crazy stuff. I didn’t think it was happening yesterday but now im seeing it with my own eyes.
also, war is genuine crazy. The number one talking point and argument back and forth is literally becuase Sony announced their plans. It just proves no matter the battle ground the war will wage on. Little cuck soldiers on both sides waiting for their general overlords to announce their new plan or service or game and the little soldier ants ready to war over it.
pathetic That there can be so much investment and war over these massive corporations. Microsoft releasing game pass made Sony announce a better service. Sony have laid out their plans and now MS may respond in making game pass better. basically, the age old truth that competition makes customer win sings True once again.
crazy stuff. I didn’t think it was happening yesterday but now im seeing it with my own eyes.
also, war is genuine crazy. The number one talking point and argument back and forth is literally becuase Sony announced their plans. It just proves no matter the battle ground the war will wage on. Little cuck soldiers on both sides waiting for their general overlords to announce their new plan or service or game and the little soldier ants ready to war over it.
pathetic That there can be so much investment and war over these massive corporations. Microsoft releasing game pass made Sony announce a better service. Sony have laid out their plans and now MS may respond in making game pass better. basically, the age old truth that competition makes customer win sings True once again.
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Rykan
Member
Okay but then that whole discussion is pointless.
"Give me a list of good games.
"Here is a list of games"
"No I personally think those are not good games".
Thats just going nowhere. Objectively, these games have received good scores from critics and are fairly popular games.
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T0minator
Member
Right now at this point in time MS has released these games on GP
Over 5yrs they released
Forza Motorsport 7
Sea of Thieves
State of Decay 2
Forza Horizon 4
Crackdown 3
Gears 5
Ori
Halo:MCC
Gears Tactics
MS: Flight Simulator
Psychonauts 2
Forza Horizon 5
Halo Infinite
In June PS Plus will have
Horizon Zero Dawn
Bloodborne
God of War
Uncharted 4
Detroit Become Human
Shadow of the Colossus
Days Gone
Death Stranding
Spider-Man
Miles Morales
The Last of Us
Returnal
+ PS1,PS2,PS3, PSP games for "free" with the service along with Astro's Playroom. It's a solid start.
At this point and in June there won't be a drastic difference between the services. Both will have content. MS will have alot more coming starting in 2023. Sony may be planning for that in their own way.
Sony and Microsoft have different strategies. Sony's wants to continue to sell their games(like Nintendo)
Those game sales will help fund their services better.
The sales revenue will support more content in their services boosting growth in subs and revenue.
That revenue from more subs will help fund the budgets of their games. It's a growth cycle.
Sony and Nintendo need game sales. MS is betting more on subscription numbers than game sales.
Over 5yrs they released
Forza Motorsport 7
Sea of Thieves
State of Decay 2
Forza Horizon 4
Crackdown 3
Gears 5
Ori
Halo:MCC
Gears Tactics
MS: Flight Simulator
Psychonauts 2
Forza Horizon 5
Halo Infinite
In June PS Plus will have
Horizon Zero Dawn
Bloodborne
God of War
Uncharted 4
Detroit Become Human
Shadow of the Colossus
Days Gone
Death Stranding
Spider-Man
Miles Morales
The Last of Us
Returnal
+ PS1,PS2,PS3, PSP games for "free" with the service along with Astro's Playroom. It's a solid start.
At this point and in June there won't be a drastic difference between the services. Both will have content. MS will have alot more coming starting in 2023. Sony may be planning for that in their own way.
Sony and Microsoft have different strategies. Sony's wants to continue to sell their games(like Nintendo)
Those game sales will help fund their services better.
The sales revenue will support more content in their services boosting growth in subs and revenue.
That revenue from more subs will help fund the budgets of their games. It's a growth cycle.
Sony and Nintendo need game sales. MS is betting more on subscription numbers than game sales.
MS is betting on user growth (think this better highlights the play cause its not just the revenue from GP subscription fee but also the revenue from the MS store)
Might be interesting and also kinda unfair to plot GP sub numbers vs software revenue.
Also could plot PS software revenue vs MAU.
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T0minator
Member
Seems more like Sony is going to go big on both services and selling 1st party content.
No one can argue that Day 1 in GP doesn't affect 1st Party games potential sales peaks. They don't reach the highest of high sales because ppl will just download them instead in GP.
GP is making great revenue but the sales figures of their games have been affected. Halo Infinite may be the least sold Halo ever we really don't know tho.
Sony and Nintendo have very similar strategies. Sell their games as normal and feed content into their services to get profit from both games and service at their full potential
I am not arguing that first party full game sales won't be suppressed but I am highlighting that there is more revenue that xbox is counting than just the GP sub fee. There might be reduced profitability in terms of margin in that tactic but it works fine if you can get scale aka Apple.
It's the kind of maths that they are doing here.
Tldr, Sony would have required a 25% user growth if we assumed that first party games was 50% (very unlikely) of the full game revenue and arpu for the other types of revenue was constant. This would have match rev but not the profit/oi.
Sony's first party revenue is big but its not what's driving the general boat (that's mtx/DLC). MS would have been even less so imo.
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Chukhopops
Member
Just a few clarifications:
- TLOU isn’t even the PS4 version, it’s the PS3 one because none of the ND games for PS4 are on the service permanently. So streaming it is;
- Uncharted 4 isn’t on the service, I haven’t seen it’s getting added but maybe I missed it;
- Spider-Man is the PS4 version. For MM and Death Stranding nobody knows which it’ll be;
- SotC isn’t the PS4 remake but the PS3 one… so again, streaming.
See where I’m going with this? A lot of people never used PSNow and don’t realize just how much stuff isn’t there, even first party. You want to play Resistance 1/2? The last guardian? Motorstorm Pacific Storm? Well tough shit cause they ain’t on the service.
The fact that ND games from last gen aren’t on the service should tell you all you need to know.
Is it going to change? Maybe. Until then don’t compare the two catalogs.
PropellerEar
Member
Now weight in for I don't know how many times I got the Game Pass (on PC) for 1 EUR because I always disable auto renew and get immediately notified by MS after the end of subscription that I could try out Game Pass for only 1 EUR, this is hands down the best deal.
Even if I had to pay 10 EUR per month.
Even if I had to pay 10 EUR per month.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
No, it's a core feature.
That's entirely subjective.
"You've got mail" is a marketing phrase. Day one is a core feature and differentiatior.
Calverz
Member
That was the sore point for you.
Slicker than your average
Banned
Gears 5 bombed hard sales wise because of gamepass. they were even offering 3 months GP for 1$ with the game launching.
Chukhopops
Member
You got any numbers? Cause all I could find is:
Gears 5 breaks records as biggest launch for any Xbox Game Studios game this generation - Xbox Wire
Thanks to the incredible support from our fans, Gears 5 kicked off the Holiday season strong – attracting over three million players in its opening weekend and setting new records for Xbox Game Pass with the biggest launch week of any Xbox Game Studios title this generation. The performance...
news.xbox.com
And this:
So nothing really indicating what you’re saying at all.
Leyasu
Banned
Source: Trust me broYou got any numbers? Cause all I could find is:
Gears 5 breaks records as biggest launch for any Xbox Game Studios game this generation - Xbox Wire
Thanks to the incredible support from our fans, Gears 5 kicked off the Holiday season strong – attracting over three million players in its opening weekend and setting new records for Xbox Game Pass with the biggest launch week of any Xbox Game Studios title this generation. The performance...
And this:
So nothing really indicating what you’re saying at all.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Ditto, this is why I'm not bothering quoting that user again lol. The 10 games I added aren't quality, the 10 games you add aren't quality.The 10 game the next person adds won't be quality. I guess no game's quality unless it has "Sony Computer entertainment" in the publisher lol.
It's a strawman argument wrapped in a bad faith wrapper.
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Topher
Gold Member
All your point proves is people are willing to pay £40 a year. Not £100.
I think it proves they will pay more to save money. That's fine. We can disagree.
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Slicker than your average
Banned
Head of Xbox saying the game sold well... The charts at the time showed it bombed hard.You got any numbers? Cause all I could find is:
Gears 5 breaks records as biggest launch for any Xbox Game Studios game this generation - Xbox Wire
Thanks to the incredible support from our fans, Gears 5 kicked off the Holiday season strong – attracting over three million players in its opening weekend and setting new records for Xbox Game Pass with the biggest launch week of any Xbox Game Studios title this generation. The performance...
And this:
So nothing really indicating what you’re saying at all.
Chukhopops
Member
Show me a source, some numbers, anything. Like I did but showing your point instead. I think the one which flopped was Gears 4, but 5 performed better and the MP was active for years.
PropellerEar
Member
Gears 5 sales are bad – it is also the most successful launch in series history
The subscription future is now
www.pcgamesn.com
1st result in my GAF search:
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I'm not expecting them to follow up with any concrete evidence, so here's what I can find via a little google-fu.
Gears 5 had 3+ million players over the first weekend. But to be fair, it launched on game pass. So the important number here is user metrics.
As
PropellerEar
already posted.The dreaded UK Boxed sales showed lesser sales, but then again Zhuge also noted that majority of sales were digital "BY FAR". In UK, we have seen Xbox digital adaption go as high as 80~% in recent times to give you an idea.
And despite being on game pass day 1, Gears 5 still sold better at retail compared to Gears 4 as per Phil Spencer.
So, no, it's safe to say Gears 5 did not bomb. But if someone wishes really really hard, they can continue to believe that it did.
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PropellerEar
Member
Disappointing sales, but creative MSFT PR I would say.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Well, it sold better than Gears 4 despite being available on Game Pass day 1 on both PC and Xbox.
I wouldn't call that disappointing in any shape or form. But I guess everyone is entitled to feel differently about it.
Bernd Lauert
Banned
This guy unironically posting UK boxed charts...I remember reading more articles like this at the time, this was 1st result in my google search now.Gears 5 sales are bad – it is also the most successful launch in series history
The subscription future is now
1st result in my GAF search:
PropellerEar
Member
It's the most important metric..This guy unironically posting UK boxed charts...
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Torrent of Pork
Banned
I wish GAF had a button I could press to remove all posts with people simping over their preferred plastic box from multi-billion dollar corporations, but the topics would only be a quarter their current size.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Stacked Game Pass and still got another 18 months left but after that I’m going to go subless as well (Switch aside maybe because £12 a year is insignificant and I play Smash, MK and Splatoon online).
Apex, Rocket League and Halo are my main MP console games and they’re all F2P.
I’ll sub to regular Game Pass for 1 month to play Bathesda’s games and Obsidian’s.
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Chukhopops
Member
Interesting, I guess it’s true that it decreased in physical sales. I still think it performed better in lifetime sales compared to Gears 4 which was the low point of the series.I remember reading more articles like this at the time, this was 1st result in my google search now.Gears 5 sales are bad – it is also the most successful launch in series history
The subscription future is now
1st result in my GAF search:
Faithless83
Banned
They are already pulling a profit with that small psnow numbers. That's why I said two of them are profitable and one is sustainable.
That's 20+ years already, plus what was spent on Activision...They have been doing that with Xbox console since 2001
they said they have never made a profit with Xbox console sales ever lol
so they have shown that they can do it
any other company would have gone bankrupt by now like Sega for an example
Microsoft says it has never made a profit from the sale of an Xbox console | VGC
Company claims it always sells devices at a loss as part of Epic vs Apple trial…www.videogameschronicle.com
And that's where you're wrong. More profits, more investments on new games, like Sony and Nintendo have been doing for a while.
On the xbox side prior to Forza 5 and Halo Infinity it has been a very dry release schedule while Sony and Nintendo were pumping out AAA games throughout the same timeframe.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Hence the acquisitions.
There's more first party games in development at XGS right now than maybe all of their output on Xbox One and 360 combined.
Exciting times ahead.
Chukhopops
Member
I refuse to believe people are dumb enough to not understand the articles they quote.
The article you quote is about hardware, not revenue of the division. Let me paste the relevant parts for you:
By the way the same article estimates MS made more than 1bn USD profit in 2019. Since then their revenue has increased by 30%.
That would put MS profit between 1.6B and 2.3B. And it’s a court document with legal value. Just stop with the profit thing, it’s been done to death.
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Lognor
Banned
I do know that you used improper grammar. So I guess I'm the smart one hereYou don't know what smarter is, you were questioning validity of elemental math.
PropellerEar
Member
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Swift_Star
Banned
Grammar mistakes are acceptable, fundamental math mistakes aren’t.I do know that you used improper grammar. So I guess I'm the smart one here
Lognor
Banned
You did the same shit! LOL
And you're not one to say what is and is not acceptable. No one gave you that right.
kingfey
Banned
What is worth it then? A bunch of old games, which you charge $18 for?
Swift_Star
Banned
No need to get triggered. Math is universal, english isn't.
Now connect the dots.
Topher
Gold Member
I do know that you used improper grammar. So I guess I'm the smart one here
You are missing a period after "here".
Faithless83
Banned
You are not understanding what profit means and why I made the distinction that Gamepass isn't profitable, but sustainable.I refuse to believe people are dumb enough to not understand the articles they quote.
The article you quote is about hardware, not revenue of the division. Let me paste the relevant parts for you:
By the way the same article estimates MS made more than 1bn USD profit in 2019. Since then their revenue has increased by 30%.
That would put MS profit between 1.6B and 2.3B. And it’s a court document with legal value. Just stop with the profit thing, it’s been done to death.
Microsoft as a whole, not the gaming division. MS has windows, office, Azure and a shitton of other products too.
The XBOX division (since we are talking games here, right?) is the not profitable one.
"Not the Only Focus"- Phil Spencer Seemingly Admits Game Pass Is Not Profitable But Neither Is Xbox Console - EssentiallySports
Is the Xbox Game Pass profitable and sustainable? What about the Xbox Consoles? Let's find out what the answers to these questions are.
www.essentiallysports.com
Better understand the basics before calling people "dumb enough to not understand the articles they quote."
kingfey
Banned
Wtf is this logic?
Lognor
Banned
Telling someone not to get triggered. That's your whole thing. LOL. Every thread I see you in a thread you get triggered. It might be time for you to take a break. I think you probably worship your little plastic box a bit too much. If someone says something you don't agree with there is no need to go off the rails. You seem to always take criticism of your favorite company as a personal affront. Every time.
PropellerEar
Member
Lognor
s last way to save face, attack grammar.This coming from the guy who didn't know the meaning of sought-after.
Chukhopops
Member
You think the 1.6-2.3BN number from the court case is the total profit of Microsoft? For a whole year? You think MS as a whole makes less profit than Nintendo?You are not understanding what profit means and why I made the distinction that Gamepass isn't profitable, but sustainable.
Microsoft as a whole, not the gaming division. MS has windows, office, Azure and a shitton of other products too.
The XBOX division (since we are talking games here, right?) is the not profitable one.
"Not the Only Focus"- Phil Spencer Seemingly Admits Game Pass Is Not Profitable But Neither Is Xbox Console - EssentiallySports
Is the Xbox Game Pass profitable and sustainable? What about the Xbox Consoles? Let's find out what the answers to these questions are.
Better understand the basics before calling people "dumb enough to not understand the articles they quote."
Just trying to assess the brain damage here.
Lognor
Banned
You don't like negative things being said about your plastic box either, huh? "How dare someone say something contrary to what I think!"
This coming from the guy who didn't know the meaning of sought-after.
You think Microsoft makes 1.6-2.3bn in profit in a year? The whole company? What division?You are not understanding what profit means and why I made the distinction that Gamepass isn't profitable, but sustainable.
Microsoft as a whole, not the gaming division. MS has windows, office, Azure and a shitton of other products too.
The XBOX division (since we are talking games here, right?) is the not profitable one.
"Not the Only Focus"- Phil Spencer Seemingly Admits Game Pass Is Not Profitable But Neither Is Xbox Console - EssentiallySports
Is the Xbox Game Pass profitable and sustainable? What about the Xbox Consoles? Let's find out what the answers to these questions are.
Better understand the basics before calling people "dumb enough to not understand the articles they quote."
If not, what's the number representing?
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kingfey
Banned
The moment he said xbox isn't profitable, is the moment he lost his credibility.
I dont know how dumb do you have to be to reach that conclusion.
Swift_Star
Banned
You’re writing a lot to save face. That is pretty telling. You should take your own advice.
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Topher
Gold Member
Do we have any data to support whether Xbox is profitable or not at all? I don't think I've ever seen Microsoft break that information out in their financial results.
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