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[SLB1904]

This thread is a bit different than the one

"Why do Sony protagonists insist on not letting me solve puzzles myself?"

Anyway, I'm playing gow Ragnarok (who isnt)

Sometimes the solution for a puzzle it's on your face and you can't figure out.

Anyway I was doing a side quest with one of the character, and there was literally a gap on the ceiling but I couldn't see, I needed to go through there to have access to other room to open the door.
After about 10 min I was getting frustrated, than suddenly the character "kratos there is a gap here" it was literally in front of me.

Than I thought to myself. Thank god for that. At least you aren't a useless side character.

What you guys think.

Should the companion be like a puppet
Or a more realistic character and do things like you would expect.

 

[Soodanim]

For those times where you have a blind spot and you need a second pair of eyes, so as long as it's not overstepping I don't see a problem with inserting a hint in an organic way. It's better than getting annoyed because you can't see it and don't want to have to Google

 

[Kuranghi]

I don't mind it if it happens after a good few minutes, so if I'm hyper stoned then I don't get stuck. It's trash in some of the Horizon 2 main story missions, nearly ruins it for me because its so constant and comes about 14 picoseconds after you jump to a ledge or the like.

It's pretty cool in Uncharted: Lost Legacy when the other NPC finds some of the things in a puzzle but only after a minute or so, not sure if she finds them all if you take ages actually .

I've only played a few hours of GoW 2022, which means 45 mins of normal person playtime so can't say much about that, Atreus was giving a bit too much info too quickly in the sunny, mud swamp place though.

Game is cool so far though overall, what difficulty does everyone play at?

 

[Chronicle]

Amen brother.

If you want puzzles play sodokooo or crosswords.

I want to get back to smashing bashing and goring my way through the game!

 

[ReBurn]

I'd be ok with them solving them for me. And also doing crafting for me. And all the other tedious filler crap that developers put in their games.

 

[Banjo64]

I’m sorry OP but no. I’m a 30 year old father of 3 with barely any spare time, and even I’d rather search for help than have it spoon-fed to me. I won’t be a Sony apologist when they are introducing bad design choices. Toad was right, the hints are shite.

 

[SLB1904]

I’m sorry OP but no. I’m a 30 year old father of 3 with barely any spare time, and even I’d rather search for help than have it spoon-fed to me. I won’t be a Sony apologist when they are introducing bad design choices. Toad was right, the hints are shite.

Your statement makes no sense what so ever. You said you barely have spare time. And you would rather search for help. You mean Google it? How is that not spoon fed

 

[Banjo64]

Your statement makes no sense what so ever. You said you barely have spare time. And you would rather search for help. You mean Google it? How is that not spoon fed

Because I’d rather spend 10 minutes trying to figure it out myself before googling it rather than Toad’s explanation which is that Atraius and other NPCs explain the puzzle within seconds of arriving. Just because I have limited time doesn’t mean I want no challenge whatsoever.

 

[I_D]

This thread is a bit different than the one

"Why do Sony protagonists insist on not letting me solve puzzles myself?"

Anyway, I'm playing gow Ragnarok (who isnt)

Sometimes the solution for a puzzle it's on your face and you can't figure out.

Anyway I was doing a side quest with one of the character, and there was literally a gap on the ceiling but I couldn't see, I needed to go through there to have access to other room to open the door.
After about 10 min I was getting frustrated, than suddenly the character "kratos there is a gap here" it was literally in front of me.

Than I thought to myself. Thank god for that. At least you aren't a useless side character.

What you guys think.

Should the companion be like a puppet
Or a more realistic character and do things like you would expect.

I agree. This is exactly how companions should be done.
The key point is timing. You were stuck for a while, so the game gave you a hint.

Tons of games get it wrong by giving you hints within just a few seconds of starting the puzzle.
Then other games get it wrong by making the companion not help at all.
Then other games ruin it entirely by making the companion a constant nuisance by speaking 24-7, or slowing your movement down, or turning the camera, or whatever else.

Instead, and maybe it's just random coincidence, but it kinda feels like some games can detect when you're wandering, such as GoW.

Other than Navi from OoT, I can't currently think of other examples. And it's a bad one, because Navi gets pretty darn annoying, despite being useful on occasion.
I suppose you could count Alex from HL2, or Ellie from TLoU, but I don't know if they really count as autonomically-useful since they're dictated by story beats.

I know I've played some games from time to time, which include randomly-useful NPCs, but I can't think of any off the top of my head. My gut tells me Witcher 3, or Fallout 3, or maybe Phantasy Star Online?

 

[Beer Baelly]

 

[damidu]

it should be an option, can be similar to uncharted games too, a prompt to press something before your companion opens their mouth when game detects you are struggling.

current trend got completely out of hand, games spoiling anything remotely puzzle like as soon as you enter an area.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

You should drop the difficult mode: gimme movie then.

 

[SLB1904]

You should drop the difficult mode: gimme movie then.

Nah I enjoy my puzzles. Sometimes you brain just farts and the solution it's in front of your nose. And you can't see. So I appreciate that.

And the risk of looking for the solution you bound to find spoilers.

 

[jaysius]

If you're having issues with God Of War puzzles then you might need some help.

It's like not being able to follow the plot of a Marvel movie.

 

[SLB1904]

Toad’s explanation which is that Atraius and other NPCs explain the puzzle within seconds of arriving. .

I'm over 20 hours and that never happen.
That's straight up bullshit

If you're having issues with God Of War puzzles then you might need some help.

It's like not being able to follow the plot of a Marvel movie.

Fuck off knob

 

[Dirk Benedict]

Imagine making a thread about another thread that is already full of good points and counterpoints.

 

[Banjo64]

I'm over 20 hours and that never happen.
That's straight up bullshit


Fuck off knob

Well I’ve not played it yet I’ve still got TLG and then Horizon Forbidden West next up on my to do list, but that’s what the other thread’s saying

 

[SLB1904]

, but that’s what the other thread’s saying

Op was complaining about characters don't let him solve the puzzle by himself. The premise of this thread is npc help you when you stuck walking up and down trying to find the way to progress.

 

[Guilty_AI]

Anyway, I'm playing gow Ragnarok (who isnt)

Me. More interesting stuff on my backlog.

Anyway, so you cant solve puzzles in an action game.

 

[Arachnid]

I hate it. They should make it an option.

Shadow the Tomb Raiders puzzle difficulty options did it perfect. That, or more difficult riddles like Silent Hill. I hate wasting my time going through easy puzzles that may as well not even be there. I hate it even more when an NPC tells me the answer.

 

[Kacho]

Imagine making a thread about another thread that is already full of good points and counterpoints.

Don’t ever dare to criticize Lord PlayStation.

 

[SLB1904]

I hate it. They should make it an option.

Shadow the Tomb Raiders puzzle difficulty options did it perfect. That, or more difficult riddles like Silent Hill. I hate wasting my time going through easy puzzles that may as well not even be there. I hate it even more when an NPC tells me the answer.

Puzzle in gow aren't difficult at all. Most of them are just an extension of the first game.

So so far is pretty easy to go through them (for me) you try a few things and just works.

But in this case it was literally because I couldn't look up lol
So yeah appreciate when your companion figure that you are stuck and give a hint. Better than Google it.

 

[damidu]

Well I’ve not played it yet I’ve still got TLG and then Horizon Forbidden West next up on my to do list, but that’s what the other thread’s saying

oh you are in for a treat with forbidden west, that is in a league of its own for puzzle spoiling.
don’t even remember thinking it was an issue in TLG
psychonauts2, forbidden west, plague2 and now ragnarok are the examples it got to a point of pissing me off.

it’s definitely becoming a trend.
whats more insulting is these games all have brain dead puzzles anyway.

 

[RoadHazard]

It sucks and you suck.

(You're great.)

 

[hrab]

Looks like wii music was way ahead of its time.

 

[Beechos]

I like it when i get a notification that ive cleared the area of all secrets/items from my npc.

 

[ZoukGalaxy]

Hey guys, come on, we found the one responsible of all this.

Let's judge him fairly.

BTW, I hate it, it should be a mandatory option called "extreme casual mode: ON|OFF" or "brain off mode: ON|OFF"

 

[Alexios]

Seems like those characters should just ridicule you when you don't figure it out if they're capable of doing so :d

Guess I'm the protagonist in this story after all Kratos or whoever, try and keep up, how are you still not seeing it?

 

[RoboFu]

You guys are stepping over that “ only want interactive movies “ line.

 

[anthony2690]

I'm personally not a fan, it should definitely be optional that you can toggle, as I know some people just don't enjoy puzzles.

 

[John Bilbo]

Optional hints are the best

 

[Trilobit]

These back and forth threads that are:
"I hate this particular thing"
"Well, I looove that particular thing!"

are getting a bit tiresome. State your opinion in the first thread. No need to create a whole post as an answer to it.

 

[Nautilus]

 

[Danjin44]

My habit when I get new area is to fully explore before jumping to do any puzzles but its annoying to me when characters wont shut up about it, please let me explore before start nagging me about the damn puzzles, I will get to it.

 

[sachos]

It should be an option. Have it completly off, have it always on like is on the game now or have a "toggle" feature that after say 10 minutes a prompt shows up that says "ask for help" and have Kratos ask the NPC for help, or something like that.
But to me the real issue is the constant backseating during boss fights, "parry that attack!" "use your shield!" "dont stand there!"

 

[Flutta]

Why have puzzles if your not gona let players use their brain to solve them? What’s the point. Just remove them completely, they serve no purpose then other than padding out the game.

 

[ArtHands]

These back and forth threads that are:
"I hate this particular thing"
"Well, I looove that particular thing!"

are getting a bit tiresome. State your opinion in the first thread. No need to create a whole post as an answer to it.

This one is meant to counter the negative Sony thread.

 

[Neff]

"It worked, brother! The circle shape is going through the circle hole!"

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I'm personally not a fan, it should definitely be optional that you can toggle, as I know some people just don't enjoy puzzles.

You're not clear enough though.

You forgot to tell him the colours don't matter.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Having NPCs helping solve the scene is like playing a shooter game and sitting at the back of the group of AI grunts and letting them kill the enemy mobs.

Then when they are done with, you swoop in sprinting to the front of the line.

That's why teammate AI is dumb as rocks, there's respawning enemies, and they never take charge. You're the gamer. You're supposed to be one moving the game along.

 

[brian0057]

Yeah, riveting stuff.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Yeah, riveting stuff.

Who knew Kratos needed so much babysitting. And I thought he's supposed to be an ultra tough guy taking down gods.

 

[PonyStation4]

Things like this should only exist if you choose the Easy or Casual settings in games

 

[Captain Toad]

This thread is a bit different than the one

"Why do Sony protagonists insist on not letting me solve puzzles myself?"

Anyway, I'm playing gow Ragnarok (who isnt)

Sometimes the solution for a puzzle it's on your face and you can't figure out.

Anyway I was doing a side quest with one of the character, and there was literally a gap on the ceiling but I couldn't see, I needed to go through there to have access to other room to open the door.
After about 10 min I was getting frustrated, than suddenly the character "kratos there is a gap here" it was literally in front of me.

Than I thought to myself. Thank god for that. At least you aren't a useless side character.

What you guys think.

Should the companion be like a puppet
Or a more realistic character and do things like you would expect.

The problem is the characters don't wait 10 minutes. They don't wait 10 seconds. As soon as you get to the puzzle, they immediately tell you what to do.

Perhaps this was updated with today's patch?

 

[vodka-bull]

Joke‘s not funny anymore.

 

[SLB1904]

The problem is the characters don't wait 10 minutes. They don't wait 10 seconds. As soon as you get to the puzzle, they immediately tell you what to do.

Perhaps this was updated with today's patch?

Don't know. Honestly I haven't had any problem like that. But again the puzzles are easy enough fir me that doesn't take long to figure. This example is one tgat I appreciate because I was getting frustrated.

 

[bender]

Anyway, I'm playing gow Ragnarok (who isnt)

 

[Ghost of Caelid]

Amen brother.

If you want puzzles play sodokooo or crosswords.

I want to get back to smashing bashing and goring my way through the game!

I feel like if the character is going to walk/rush you through a puzzle just remove the puzzle...lol. Why include a segment that is going to be rushed anyway.

 

[Jennings]

If I need the game to tell me how to solve its own puzzle, I'd rather the puzzle not be in the game.

 

[MarkMe2525]

I don't agree, hints should only be provided when asked for. A contextual prompt followed by a button press.