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I want a non-mature Elden Ring game...

Raven77

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Right and that's what the OP should do while we dream of a Zelda that plays like Elden Ring.

People say they want less dark games because most games coming out are mature.......

You want an open world game that is mature? Take your pick. You want one that is All Ages or even Teen? Slim selection.
 

I_D

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People say they want less dark games because most games coming out are mature.......

You want an open world game that is mature? Take your pick. You want one that is All Ages or even Teen? Slim selection.

People clearly have different definitions of "mature."
Assassin's Creed, Batman, Watchdogs, LotR, Borderlands, Horizon, Insomniac's stuff, etc. are all very clearly aimed toward young people (imo).


Elden Ring, The Witcher, Kingdom Come, and Cyberpunk are the only (modern-ish) non-teen open-world games that currently come to mind.
And that's even with Elden Ring being, by FAR, the least-grim game in the FROM series. ER is pretty much the 'Sunshine and rainbows' of the franchise, in terms of its art style, compared to the other games.


"All age" open-world games are generally tough to find, though, to be sure.
 

Fredrik

Gold Member
I hate that I can only watch Breaking Bad and The Wire when the family is sleeping...why can't they make it furry for fuck sakes? /s

You want more sesame street and Elmo...

Nah, only a small handful have been able to even do that well, most are light hearted fucking CW shows, with Fox kids level of violence. The fact that you don't have most games with limbs being ripped off from gun violence shows just how detached games generally are from reality, that isn't some fucking standard feature sir, that is a small amount of games that do that and others that don't, literally still have the M rating...

Yea...so I think you confused the world for the demographic adults, with the porn theme of "adult". That simply means someone wants their games to have a mature theme like Mad Men, Breaking Bad, Ozarks, The Wire, House Of Cards etc, not a fucking porn video to beat off too. So I don't see any of those games as taking away "sex appeal", I see them as depicting the world the way it actually is, ie not a fucking runway model shoot.

Probably adults who are not playing happy-go-lucky Furry Friends games lol


I mean come on who is Breaking Bad really for? It's like people just obsessed with staring at drugs right? Lol

The biggest issue with this weird dumbass mindset by the way is it tries to argue that there's some fear of a hot person when in reality there are people who simply want a realistic game and not something that looks like some CW Show or Maxim models or something weird like that so it's not like I'm watching the Ozarks wanting the character that plays Wendy to look like a hot runway model she looks the way I would believe someone's wife would look in that situation.... so believe it or not there's some form of believability that gets taken out of a work when every person is looking like some runway model lol

That's not saying someone's going to scream and run away from a hot person as it sounds like a very slow minded assumption.... that's like me trying to say you wanting to play Furry Friends games with Ratchet & Clank it sounds like someone who screams and runs away from humans to jerk off over furries

It would be like me saying who actually are they making those games for? Pedophiles? That's probably who's playing Ratchet & Clank.... /s lol It tries for force this idea that their difference of an opinion is now a fear, phobias etc.

so I'm not sure how you came to that fucking conclusion and it makes more sense simply to argue that someone has a different opinion than you regarding some of those works instead of trying to question if someone having a different opinion exist. To even suggest someone must have this morbid obsession with death cause they want adult themed games is like saying you have a perverse obsession with furries and kids....

Back in the '80s the medium was more so geared towards children in the first place which is probably why you're in that furry mindset lol

None of that makes sense because the thing you're arguing for is completely subjective for all we know you fucking attracted to furry things in your idea of "Attractive people" are furries and you're demanding more games have that fetish lol Or you like BBWs and are like "where are all the 600LB attractive people I be seeing on 600LB life?, how come they not in games? probably cuz they scared of da sexy appealz"

But I couldn't play the last of us 2 in regards to its violence in my living room in front of my kids anymore than I could watch the Ozarks or Breaking Bad or The Wire or House Of Cards etc...


So your entire argument is simply based on the content you want to play in front of your kids or not so if you want to play e-rated or teen rated games you're free to do that but I don't see any weird reason to pretend someone wanting to play something else doesn't exist because it would be equivalent to you trying to fucking question all media that's not Disney.... what you fucking like is a personal view, its not some law or such a norm, that anything else needs to be questioned. I play most of what you listed btw. I however don't pretend it must be furry vs realism TO THE DEATH lol

This 10000%

Some kid is not going to fucking care and in my opinion we've reached the level of quality in games where you could have AA or AAA kids game and I don't know if that kid's fucking noticing or caring. Look at Minecraft look at fortnite the biggest games for kids also happens to be of the ugliest quality graphically in the first place those kids don't fucking care they'll have fun playing those Lego games and could give two shits about some deep realism with Ray tracing reflective lighting or some crap lol
You need to tone down your anger and condecending attitude… I find no interest in having a conversation with you when you’re reading through my posts and still completely miss my point and think I’m obsessed about beating off to furries just by mentioning Ratchet & Clank as an example of a great AAA game I can actually play in the living room. If that’s what you got from my posts then I don’t know what to say. I don’t think I’m that bad at english.

But now I’ve already started writing, so to sum it up, a little bit. The problem isn’t that realistic depictions of violence exist in games, the problem is that there is so much focus on violence in the first place in AAA gaming. And that such a big percentage of big budget games put you in a role of a person that for whatever reasons ends with that you go around killing people.

You’re using TV shows as an example. I don’t watch TV shows during the day so I guess that’s the reason I don’t see that as a problem, if my biggest hobby was TV shows I guess I could’ve been pissed about that too idk. I do play games during the day though, or try to do it, and then I usually can’t play AAA games because of how the industry is. If I was 20 and alone in the house I probably wouldn’t be bothered. But I’m 46 and never alone, or rarely.

I don’t know, I just want developers to start thinking about other ways to do action than putting a gun or sword in your hand and set you up to fight other human characters.

A game like Horizon Zero Dawn could’ve been awesome for both kids and adults, it’s a brilliant theme, it’s humans versus machines. And it’s still very much AAA in quality. Awesome!
But then of course they had to include bandits as well and then you suddenly can’t play the game infront of your kids anymore.

As for the sex appeal talk, that obviously wasn’t about Ratchet & Clank… It was just a sidenote about the current trends in character modeling. I just find it funny that the industry is frowning at curvy bodies while somehow having no issues at all with gore. It’s like you’d have a movie like Hostel censoring nipples. You’ve already made sure that it’s only adults who’re sitting by the TV anyway so what’s the deal? 🤷‍♂️
 
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rodrigolfp

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I'd love a cartoony elden ring game. Well get one for sure with the popularity of elden ring.

No. Worse combat, enemies, level design, exploration. Better elf tho.
How is mashing R1/R2 the entire game with a retarded character better than all the weapons+bow+runes of an agile Link in BOTW?
 
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How is mashing R1/R2 the entire game with a retarded character better than all the weapons+bow+runes of an agile Link in BOTW?
That says more about you level of skill if thats all you were doing. Elden ring has melee weapons that perform differenly, bows as well, magic and weapon ashes. if you religate it to buttom mashing thats on you. The combat is designed to be mixed up very well and gives you more options. Funny enough outside of the physics system in BOTW elden ring has far, and i mean far more combat options and unique weapons than BOTW.
 

Hohenheim

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I find Elden Ring to be the least "depressive" of the souls-games. It's very bright, colourful and vibrant.
I prefer the darker vibes in Bloodborne and Dark Souls, but if From decided to go all light-hearted and make a game with a more "non-mature" style like Zelda, it wouldn't really matter at all, as long as the gameplay was as stellar as their previous games.
 

rodrigolfp

Member
That says more about you level of skill if thats all you were doing. Elden ring has melee weapons that perform differenly, bows as well, magic and weapon ashes. if you religate it to buttom mashing thats on you. The combat is designed to be mixed up very well and gives you more options. Funny enough outside of the physics system in BOTW elden ring has far, and i mean far more combat options and unique weapons than BOTW.
We still mash R1/R2 with every different weapon, bow or magic. On BOTW we use melee weapons+bow+runes all "at the same time" as "combos".
 

DavidGzz

Member
Elden Ring is too cherry tbh. Lost some oppressiveness from Demon's and Dark. We have to go back not forward.
 

EDMIX

Member
nd think I’m obsessed about beating off to furries just by mentioning Ratchet & Clank

lol yet you talk about missing a point? The fucking lolz

Holy shit, its almost as if you liking Ratchet and Clank doesn't mean you are some pervert obsessed with furries...hmmmmm damn, I wonder if that can be applied to something else? Like...maybe those who want mature themes are not...what was it?
happy and starts taking photos when they see someone die?

Fucking crazy right?

If that’s what you got from my posts then I don’t know what to say

No buddy, the point being made is to illustrate what you are saying doesn't fucking make sense. If you clearly are not some furry obsessed person, then clearly someone who just wants mature themes isn't out here happy to see someone die taking photos. To be so narrowminded you didn't get that point makes this even more hilarious.

And that such a big percentage of big budget games put you in a role of a person that for whatever reasons ends with that you go around killing people.

Go play E or Rated Teen games then.

Thats like saying so much of TV is sex and violence, sir...that depends on where you are watching it, ie go watch Disney Plus or something. That makes much more sense then this weird assumption that those who want mature content must want to see people die in real life or take photos of them or some weird fucking shit like that.

You’re using TV shows as an example. I don’t watch TV shows during the da

yea... I don't care. The point was never if you cared about TV shows, it was an example to show different genres exist in different mediums JUST like gaming and one clearly can just play or watch what they like based on their taste or what they want their kids exposed to.

I usually can’t play AAA games because of how the industry is.
ok...but that isn't a problem of the industries. Its job isn't to censor itself to be easy on your kids though, its your job to show values and expose them to what you want them to see or not.

Not the gaming industry.

They have no ode to make their content all G and PG so you can play in front of them. It makes much more sense to pick what you want to play vs argue the industry to be Disney and rated G. It sucks, but its a you issue. Its not their job to remove all hurtful things in their content in case you might play in front of your kids, not sure why that would be up to the gaming industry to regulate or something. We have room for E, Teen, Mature etc.

HOW you play that content in front of your kids is your business.

" It’s like you’d have a movie like Hostel censoring nipples. You’ve already made sure that it’s only adults who’re sitting by the TV anyway so what’s the deal?"

I agree with this 100%. I feel if a game is rated M, allow it to be treated as such and I never really get the whole censoring thing on M rated games.

I think the gaming industry can work like shows with the rating. E like G, Teen like PG or PG 13 and M like R. But I feel for what ever reasons developers seem to be scared to make it that R even with it already being M. So who knows if we'd ever see a game like the film Hostel.
 
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Fredrik

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ok...but that isn't a problem of the industries. Its job isn't to censor itself to be easy on your kids though, its your job to show values and expose them to what you want them to see or not.

Not the gaming industry.

They have no ode to make their content all G and PG so you can play in front of them. It makes much more sense to pick what you want to play vs argue the industry to be Disney and rated G. It sucks, but its a you issue. Its not their job to remove all hurtful things in their content in case you might play in front of your kids, not sure why that would be up to the gaming industry to regulate or something. We have room for E, Teen, Mature etc.
I 100% think it’s the industry’s problem that more AAA games are too violent and detailed and gory to play in a family living room than they used to be.

I’ve seen the change slowly happen over 40 years, I’m not making this up. That most gamers are desentizised enough on gaming violence to not even care doesn’t make it less of a problem.

Most of it comes from the graphics simply getting more realistic. And animations. And the themes. I’m sure Platoon and The Last Ninja were in theory bad games for kids on C64 but they were so pixelated that you saw no details and a dead guy were mostly just a flashing sprite that vanished.

Also, while there were games like Barbarian with gory head chops most games were platform games, shmups, racing games, puzzle games etc. Or simply action games without human deaths or without any blood or detailed violence for it to be a problem for a kid.

I don’t see why this is my problem, I’m just doing what I’ve been doing for the past 40 years, play video games in the living room. I haven’t changed, I still play the best games every platform has like always.

How is it not the industry’s problem that I feel like I have to lock myself up in a dedicated gaming room now to keep playing the best games?
 
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GymWolf

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Last time i asked for less mature souls this guy showed up at my house

 

EDMIX

Member
I 100% think it’s the industry’s problem that more AAA games are too violent and detailed and gory to play in a family living room than they used to be.

But their job is to be as entertaining as they can, not as family friendly as they can. That would be your job based on what you want for your family.

I’ve seen the change slowly happen over 40 years, I’m not making this up. That most gamers are desentizised enough on gaming violence to not even care doesn’t make it less of a problem.

Yet that simply can't be the job of the industry to cast morals and values. As the industry changed, it opened up to more genres, more age groups etc. Same thing occurred with film, from being informative and educational, to having all sorts of options for violence in R rated films to Porn, but clearly those informative and educational films and programs still exist just like family friendly games still exist.

I don’t see why this is my problem

Cause the industries job is to sell, sell, sell, its not to instill morals or values or anything of the sort. No industry can make their content fit 100% of all families, its just impossible as I can't tell you what is good for your family Fredrik, only you can. You can have a mormon family question why a game has a person drinking tea, coffee, kissing a women that they are not married to etc Sir..it would be like saying the industry is at fault for all that.

What fucking game can they make using this weird logic? So they can't really make some game that fits all values or morals or something, someone will be triggered, upset, mad etc. Thus, it makes more sense for you, the consumer...to pick what you believe is good for your family to play based on your values. That simply can't be up to the industry.

How is it not the industry’s problem that I feel like I have to lock myself up in a dedicated gaming room now to keep playing the best games?

How you feel is up to you and they have no ode to censor their content just so you can play in front of kids. That 100% sounds like a you problem, how you run your household is your business Fredrik, not the gaming industries. I don't know how they'd be in charge of that or responsible or make content based on everyone's values when that isn't even a thing that is 1 thing. What you think is ok and suitable, trust me....someone is upset on some shit. Final Fantasy 4 was banned by some churches based on their views and parents told to not buy it. You might think nothing is wrong with FFIV and demand more of the industry to make such a game, that same family would have word with you lol They'd argue its the industries problem =)

No games can be made using this logic btw. All I can say is for you to make your own game or to pick out games based on your own values. Maybe someone can make a value option, like select this for no blood, gore, sex or select this if you are of this faith and no women will speak, have sex lol If you design it Fredrik, I'd support it and even argue on its behalf if you can make it fit some game concept lol
 

Fredrik

Gold Member
But their job is to be as entertaining as they can, not as family friendly as they can. That would be your job based on what you want for your family.



Yet that simply can't be the job of the industry to cast morals and values. As the industry changed, it opened up to more genres, more age groups etc. Same thing occurred with film, from being informative and educational, to having all sorts of options for violence in R rated films to Porn, but clearly those informative and educational films and programs still exist just like family friendly games still exist.



Cause the industries job is to sell, sell, sell, its not to instill morals or values or anything of the sort. No industry can make their content fit 100% of all families, its just impossible as I can't tell you what is good for your family Fredrik, only you can. You can have a mormon family question why a game has a person drinking tea, coffee, kissing a women that they are not married to etc Sir..it would be like saying the industry is at fault for all that.

What fucking game can they make using this weird logic? So they can't really make some game that fits all values or morals or something, someone will be triggered, upset, mad etc. Thus, it makes more sense for you, the consumer...to pick what you believe is good for your family to play based on your values. That simply can't be up to the industry.



How you feel is up to you and they have no ode to censor their content just so you can play in front of kids. That 100% sounds like a you problem, how you run your household is your business Fredrik, not the gaming industries. I don't know how they'd be in charge of that or responsible or make content based on everyone's values when that isn't even a thing that is 1 thing. What you think is ok and suitable, trust me....someone is upset on some shit. Final Fantasy 4 was banned by some churches based on their views and parents told to not buy it. You might think nothing is wrong with FFIV and demand more of the industry to make such a game, that same family would have word with you lol They'd argue its the industries problem =)

No games can be made using this logic btw. All I can say is for you to make your own game or to pick out games based on your own values. Maybe someone can make a value option, like select this for no blood, gore, sex or select this if you are of this faith and no women will speak, have sex lol If you design it Fredrik, I'd support it and even argue on its behalf if you can make it fit some game concept lol
Let’s just agree to disagree on this, neither of us will back down.
Anyhow I’ll keep hoping we see more light hearted AAA Insomniac games, that’s all I want really, still fun to play for me, no problem for the family, and still AAA.
I used to hope that ND goes back to Jak and Daxter too but I fear that Niel will pour his twisted dark mind into the IP somehow, probably better to leave Jak alone.
 

EDMIX

Member
Let’s just agree to disagree on this, neither of us will back down.
Anyhow I’ll keep hoping we see more light hearted AAA Insomniac games, that’s all I want really, still fun to play for me, no problem for the family, and still AAA.
I used to hope that ND goes back to Jak and Daxter too but I fear that Niel will pour his twisted dark mind into the IP somehow, probably better to leave Jak alone.

I think you see more light hearted titles then dark in the industry as a whole.

As in Insomniac made Ratchet and Clank and Spiderman. You'll get those types of games from them.

ND made The Last Of Us sure, they also make Uncharted, a Indiana jones light hearted type adventure. As much as I'm a fan of The Last Of Us IP, its not a common theme or tone in gaming, its one of a very small few of titles that have come out. So if you don't see Uncharted turning into any of that, its clear that was for The Last Of Us and not some copy and paste policy at Sony or ND or something. Neil has worked on the story of all 3 of those IP before, so clearly if all 3 are not all the same....maybe he isn't just applying some same logic to all things as you can't just ignorantly assume that.

The Last Of Us is as dark as Neil wanted it to be based on what he wrote it for, not based on some idea that its the only thing he wants or writes and everything will be like that etc. Would be like making it sound like if you wrote a game all if it would be Ratchet and Clank lol If you made Jak and Sony gave you the contract, how would you like it if someone said you better leave Jak alone to not turn it into Ratchet and Clank? lol I'm sure Neil has a mind of his own and applies those themes and tones based on if he feels it fits the theme, IP, genre etc, just like you or I might. I simply thing its a strange assumption to try to force this idea that all they do is 1 thing or something lol
 

EverydayBeast

thinks Halo Infinite is a new graphical benchmark
Elden ring is an assault on fun creative games there’s evidence showing the elden ring fans accuse other games at being less because they aren’t proven.
 

Fredrik

Gold Member
I think you see more light hearted titles then dark in the industry as a whole.

As in Insomniac made Ratchet and Clank and Spiderman. You'll get those types of games from them.

ND made The Last Of Us sure, they also make Uncharted, a Indiana jones light hearted type adventure. As much as I'm a fan of The Last Of Us IP, its not a common theme or tone in gaming, its one of a very small few of titles that have come out. So if you don't see Uncharted turning into any of that, its clear that was for The Last Of Us and not some copy and paste policy at Sony or ND or something. Neil has worked on the story of all 3 of those IP before, so clearly if all 3 are not all the same....maybe he isn't just applying some same logic to all things as you can't just ignorantly assume that.

The Last Of Us is as dark as Neil wanted it to be based on what he wrote it for, not based on some idea that its the only thing he wants or writes and everything will be like that etc. Would be like making it sound like if you wrote a game all if it would be Ratchet and Clank lol If you made Jak and Sony gave you the contract, how would you like it if someone said you better leave Jak alone to not turn it into Ratchet and Clank? lol I'm sure Neil has a mind of his own and applies those themes and tones based on if he feels it fits the theme, IP, genre etc, just like you or I might. I simply thing its a strange assumption to try to force this idea that all they do is 1 thing or something lol
Amy Hennig was lead writer for Uncharted. Druckmann was co-writer and actually wanted to kill Elena, showing glimpses of his dark mind he later unleashed in TLOU throughout both games. Luckily Straley convinced him Elena was worth keeping alive.
 

EDMIX

Member
Amy Hennig was lead writer for Uncharted. Druckmann was co-writer and actually wanted to kill Elena, showing glimpses of his dark mind he later unleashed in TLOU throughout both games. Luckily Straley convinced him Elena was worth keeping alive.

but he still wrote other games....

So this mindset of thinking he just wanted 1 thing or contributed one idea that was shot down, thus 100% of his ideas is about "dark mind" is as stupid as saying you like furries and are some pedo or something. People die in the Uncharted series, people die in many IP, to then pretend the suggestion is an obsession or part of something more is as silly as assuming you must be some predator based on your like of Ratchet and Clank. It tries to force this absolute like at all times thats the only thing the seek with no fucking evidence to argue such a thing.

It just sounds like a narrowminded view based on cherry picking 1 thing. I doubt he just had 1 idea to just kill and just did nothing for years writing or something. What about the games he wrote or worked on where such things didn't happen? Why dismiss that, but cherry pick this 1 thing?
 

Fredrik

Gold Member
but he still wrote other games....

So this mindset of thinking he just wanted 1 thing or contributed one idea that was shot down, thus 100% of his ideas is about "dark mind" is as stupid as saying you like furries and are some pedo or something. People die in the Uncharted series, people die in many IP, to then pretend the suggestion is an obsession or part of something more is as silly as assuming you must be some predator based on your like of Ratchet and Clank. It tries to force this absolute like at all times thats the only thing the seek with no fucking evidence to argue such a thing.

It just sounds like a narrowminded view based on cherry picking 1 thing. I doubt he just had 1 idea to just kill and just did nothing for years writing or something. What about the games he wrote or worked on where such things didn't happen? Why dismiss that, but cherry pick this 1 thing?
I tried to google and couldn’t actually find any examples of him writing light hearted stories? Unless you’re thinking about his co-writer work?

And I guess there is a possibility that Neil is the one bringing all the light hearted stuff into Uncharted.
And I see that he has written comics too, didn’t know this, maybe they have a more hopeful story idk.

But when I heard he wanted to kill Elena the pieces kinda started to fall in place considering his later work. I don’t think I’m cherry picking too much if I say that people seem to lose someone close in his stories. Kid, parent, sibling, friend, loved one. Which to me is as dark as a story can get.

On the other hand, maybe he has already ventilated these ideas now after TLOUp2 and will do more light hearted stories going forward. I guess we’ll see. I haven’t played Part 2 but I understand the ending is like ”Let’s not do this anymore. There is nothing good coming from this. We part ways and call it quits”.

Which is what we should do here as well btw… So I now chose to cherry pick and call it quits since this has nothing to do with a less mature Elden Ring anyway.
 
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EDMIX

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I tried to google and couldn’t actually find any examples of him writing light hearted stories? Unless you’re thinking about his co-writer work?

And I guess there is a possibility that Neil is the one bringing all the light hearted stuff into Uncharted.
And I see that he has written comics too, didn’t know this, maybe they have a more hopeful story idk.

But when I heard he wanted to kill Elena the pieces kinda started to fall in place considering his later work. I don’t think I’m cherry picking too much if I say that people seem to lose someone close in his stories. Kid, parent, sibling, friend, loved one. Which to me is as dark as a story can get.

On the other hand, maybe he has already ventilated these ideas now after TLOUp2 and will do more light hearted stories going forward. I guess we’ll see. I haven’t played Part 2 but I understand the ending is like ”Let’s not do this anymore. There is nothing good coming from this. We part ways and call it quits”.

Which is what we should do here as well btw… So I now chose to cherry pick and call it quits since this has nothing to do with a less mature Elden Ring anyway.

I'd say this still fits the idea of non-mature theme vs mature theme lol At least it shows this concept of wanting a game to be mature or non-mature has many different sides and reasons why users might feel that way.

I also agree that its likely those ideas he has might be for the tone he wants for The Last Of Us vs all works or something.
 

BoogerBomb

Neo Member
I know you said you wanted a non-mature “open world” but if you are not opposed to 2d games then I would suggest Ghosts n Goblins Resurrection. It has all the difficulty and challenge you could ever want and its world actually shares a very similar “theme” as Elden Ring except that it’s more light hearted and humorous due to its art style and animations. I’d say it’s family friendly visually, unless of course your kids are easily scared by Halloween type stuff.
 

Markio128

Member
I think it is more the open world of ER that killed my will to continue, rather than the oppressive atmosphere. I could argue that Bloodborne is a far darker and more oppressive game, but I absolutely adored it all the same, likely because it had just one protagonist, with a clear goal, better level design and fun combat.
 

Chronicle

Member
Well hers a cookie and some milk. If you ask nicely you may stay up a half hour past your bedtime. Remember mature games make you wet the bed so we don't want you playing them. Good boy.
 
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