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[Insider Gaming] PlayStation 5 Pro is “100%” in Development.

Only heard of Sony but would assume Xbox would be making one as well if Sony is but don't know honestly

Yeah, I understand that it makes sense, but I asked because the other side have been completely shut eye when it comes to rumours. Like what Xbox Series XX rumours have we heard till now? IIRC that document leak from Microsoft's plans for future console hardware from the ABK M&A court case talked of this iterative upgrade, but we don't even have a codename yet.
 

HeisenbergFX4

Gold Member
Yeah, I understand that it makes sense, but I asked because the other side have been completely shut eye when it comes to rumours. Like what Xbox Series XX rumours have we heard till now? IIRC that document leak from Microsoft's plans for future console hardware from the ABK M&A court case talked of this iterative upgrade, but we don't even have a codename yet.
There is nothing out there an the mid gen Xbox and honestly even their show coming up is bone dry, they really went silent on this stuff which is unusual from team green
 

Calverz

Member
Stop It Michael Jordan GIF
 

HTK

Banned
Didn’t Phil Spencer just recently say that they currently have no plans for a Series X Pro? Which is wild to me.
 

X-Wing

Member
I honestly don't see the need for a pro console when we are just now starting to see the first current-gent exclusive titles taking advantage of the hardware in full. When I look at the new Avatar game I find it even less necessary.
 

killatopak

Member
I honestly don't see the need for a pro console when we are just now starting to see the first current-gent exclusive titles taking advantage of the hardware in full. When I look at the new Avatar game I find it even less necessary.
Raytracing sucks up resources I thought would be put more into traditional resolution and framerate. The current consoles are very anemic in that aspect. I’d like to bring them up to par. I don’t want to choose between resolution, framerate and RT. I’d like to have them all.
 

Umbasaborne

Banned
Raytracing sucks up resources I thought would be put more into traditional resolution and framerate. The current consoles are very anemic in that aspect. I’d like to bring them up to par. I don’t want to choose between resolution, framerate and RT. I’d like to have them all.
As long as you’re not playing on a super powerful pc, you will always have to choose. That is the nature of consoles. At the end of the day, they need to sell these things for under a thousand dollars, and even with a pro update, they will still be years behind where the latest gpu’s and CPU’s are. I felt the same as you, so I upgraded to a pc. It’s great to not have to make that choice, but even on my pc at some point I will have to.
 
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X-Wing

Member
On the other hand, the announcement of a Pro model soon could explain the lack of first partys being shown on the showcase. They will probably want to combine those things.
 
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killatopak

Member
As long as you’re not playing on a super powerful pc, you will always have to choose. That is the nature of consoles. At the end of the day, they need to sell these things for under a thousand dollars, and even with a pro update, they will still be years behind where the latest gpu’s and CPU’s are. I felt the same as you, so I upgraded to a pc. It’s great to not have to make that choice, but even on my pc at some point I will have to.
Yeah but that would mean spending a lot of cash during times like these where their prices are inflated. I would rather have the console makers subsidize these parts so they can sell them to me for much cheaper. I do plan on upgrading my PC in the long run but definitely not now. Maybe my work can hook me up but that’s wishful thinking lol.
 

ChiefDada

Gold Member
I don’t need to watch him for info ;)

Curious - based on your inside knowledge were you surprised by Phil's statement of no plans for a mid gen model for Xbox? I always assumed as much because of potential difficulties of juggling 3 sku's and Microsoft increased focus on services/play anywhere approach.
 

feynoob

Banned
Curious - based on your inside knowledge were you surprised by Phil's statement of no plans for a mid gen model for Xbox? I always assumed as much because of potential difficulties of juggling 3 sku's and Microsoft increased focus on services/play anywhere approach.
It might be due to current economy.
Current console recently had stock issues. So making a new one means you are back to square one. That is bad for lifetime sales.
 

Whitecrow

Banned
RGT made a 28 minutes video because:
-He enjoys talking about it
-He have a lot of information

If he just wanted the clicks, he could do it in 10 minutes.

You are just a bunch of ignorant haters.

It still surprises me to this day that there still people who calls him out, when in every single video, he quotes the info he gets and how he interprets it, and NEVER says that anything is 100% happening.

Its obvious that he talks from his perspective on all the info he gets, and he enjoys it.

So grow up, and stop hating on people who doest give what you wish.
 

Gamerguy84

Member
I'm in day 1. If your coming from a PS4 it's a huge upgrade. If your coming from a PS5 it will be an OK upgrade I assume.

But Starfield coming out at 30 plus watching people defend it makes me nervous. Please always give me the choice. I left the need to have every pixel train a while ago. Just want a smooth experience. Also I want to see the boost it gives VR.

Hell yea I'm in, we're halfway through this gen.
 

PeteBull

Member
I have my ps5.... Im not gonna buy another ps5 upgrade.
U say it now, but i remember back durning ps4 gen, when we all had ps4 pleb version and games, including fisr party exclusives, started to take advantage of the pr0, ppl bitched but still bought it :p
 
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RGT made a 28 minutes video because:
-He enjoys talking about it
-He have a lot of information

If he just wanted the clicks, he could do it in 10 minutes.

You are just a bunch of ignorant haters.

It still surprises me to this day that there still people who calls him out, when in every single video, he quotes the info he gets and how he interprets it, and NEVER says that anything is 100% happening.

Its obvious that he talks from his perspective on all the info he gets, and he enjoys it.

So grow up, and stop hating on people who doest give what you wish.
Never heard of him, don't care. As a matter of fact I will now actively avoid that channel because of your comment.
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
I expect the pro xbox to come out a year or so after the ps5 Pro. Or they may just wait and launch the "next gen" a couple of years after or once significant upgrades are possible.
 

TrebleShot

Member
I don’t know how anyone who has an OLED 4k tv or even just a cheap larger 4k LCD would make a serious statement that a PS5 pro isn’t needed.

Plague Tale Requiem
Star Wars Jedi Survivor
Anno 1800
Tchia
Returnal
Callisto Protocol
Dead Space

Are games just off the top of my head that run at much lower resolutions in performance mode or 30/40fps and struggle.

Don’t tell me with a straight face that we don’t need more power.

I am of the belief we should get new consoles every 2 years if they want to remain cutting edge and run the newest games at 60/4k
 

damidu

Member
I honestly don't see the need for a pro console when we are just now starting to see the first current-gent exclusive titles taking advantage of the hardware in full. When I look at the new Avatar game I find it even less necessary.
and even first party stuff are already skipping series x for 60fps repeatedly, thats the need
 
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DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
I don’t know how anyone who has an OLED 4k tv or even just a cheap larger 4k LCD would make a serious statement that a PS5 pro isn’t needed.

Plague Tale Requiem
Star Wars Jedi Survivor
Anno 1800
Tchia
Returnal
Callisto Protocol
Dead Space

Are games just off the top of my head that run at much lower resolutions in performance mode or 30/40fps and struggle.

Don’t tell me with a straight face that we don’t need more power.

I am of the belief we should get new consoles every 2 years if they want to remain cutting edge and run the newest games at 60/4k

Not every 2 years but 3 to 4 for sure. The rest I agree with.
 

N4WW4FV2

Neo Member
I don’t know how anyone who has an OLED 4k tv or even just a cheap larger 4k LCD would make a serious statement that a PS5 pro isn’t needed.

Plague Tale Requiem
Star Wars Jedi Survivor
Anno 1800
Tchia
Returnal
Callisto Protocol
Dead Space

Are games just off the top of my head that run at much lower resolutions in performance mode or 30/40fps and struggle.

Don’t tell me with a straight face that we don’t need more power.

I am of the belief we should get new consoles every 2 years if they want to remain cutting edge and run the newest games at 60/4k
"Straight Face" We don't need any more power.

We need whatever the hell Nvidia is using for DLSS 3 (and beyond) for AI frame generation to increase framerates.
 

Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
Not every 2 years but 3 to 4 for sure. The rest I agree with.
I do not get it… within the usual console size and price envelope we know this is not only next to impossible but also would get us less and less optimised games (the point of consoles is that they are out in the market with the same specs for enough years to justify the investment and use that knowledge to get a next generation semi custom SoC that properly addresses those issues and innovates… also console API’s would start getting thicker and thicker making the problem worse) while we chase the specs e-peen race.

It takes larger and larger HW performance increases to bring meaningful visual and game performance improvements AND at the same time we see it is costlier and costlier and it takes longer and longer to deliver semiconductor manufacturing large jumps to deliver the expected performance increases.

How is the answer “oh let’s release hardware more and more frequently, this will do it”. Why are we trying to take the worst of consoles (no internal modding of HW and SW) and the worst of PC’s (tons and tons of HW and drivers variety with thick abstraction layers). Do we look at issues with shader compilation stutters and think “I want some of that” on consoles? ;).
 

DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
I do not get it… within the usual console size and price envelope we know this is not only next to impossible but also would get us less and less optimised games (the point of consoles is that they are out in the market with the same specs for enough years to justify the investment and use that knowledge to get a next generation semi custom SoC that properly addresses those issues and innovates… also console API’s would start getting thicker and thicker making the problem worse) while we chase the specs e-peen race.

It takes larger and larger HW performance increases to bring meaningful visual and game performance improvements AND at the same time we see it is costlier and costlier and it takes longer and longer to deliver semiconductor manufacturing large jumps to deliver the expected performance increases.

How is the answer “oh let’s release hardware more and more frequently, this will do it”. Why are we trying to take the worst of consoles (no internal modding of HW and SW) and the worst of PC’s (tons and tons of HW and drivers variety with thick abstraction layers). Do we look at issues with shader compilation stutters and think “I want some of that” on consoles? ;).

If we look at games launching from now that are purely current gen I think that we unfortunately are going to see a lot of game resorting to 30fps. If mid gen refreshers will offer the opportunity for those that care to hit a consistent 60fps and don't want to buy a pc I think that's the best for everyone.

We will see what happens within the next year.

But everything you say is right tbh. I agree. I just think it's unfortunately the nature of it now.
 
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Panajev2001a

GAF's Pleasant Genius
If we look at games launching from now that are purely current gen I think that we unfortunately are going to see a lot of game resorting to 30fps. If mid gen refreshers will offer the opportunity for those that care to hit a consistent 60fps and don't want to buy a pc I think that's the best for everyone.

We will see what happens within the next year.

But everything you say is right tbh. I agree. I just think it's unfortunately the nature of it now.
I understand that, I understand the appeal of the promise of sorting out quality and framerate, but it would make the cross generation period last even longer hurting adoption and developer pick-up of new tech :/.

Also, I do not think that unless we accept a $150-199+ price increase and larger, warmer, maybe noisier consoles that they will have enough headroom to provide what you seek (tech advancing slower than before hurts the chances of a mid generation upgrade after 3 years to really deliver on expectations): I do not think we have the tech for the Pro consoles to deliver on expectations unless we go with much more expensive and bigger units.

Pro consoles generally get even less optimisation than the base consoles do so we are stuck with whatever they can deliver purely by brute forcing things… again that means that you need even faster machines for it to work (and we still have the issue of diminishing returns).

I say let developers properly optimise for the current generation of consoles, let MS and Sony get more and more data from devs once they push these machines to the limits and ensure your XSX2 and PS6 are proper next generation jumps addressing all the issues we have with these machines and then some.
 
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DenchDeckard

Moderated wildly
I understand that, promise of sorting out quality and framerate but it will make the cross generation period last even longer hurting adoption and developer pick-up of new tech :/.

Also, I do not think that unless we accept a $150-199+ price increase and larger, warmer, maybe noisier consoles if they will have enough headroom to provide what you seek (tech advancing slower than before hurts the chances of a mid generation upgrade after 3 years to really deliver): I do not think we have the tech for the Pro consoles to make a proper dent in the problem unless we go with much more expensive and bigger units.

Pro consoles generally get even less optimisation than the base consoles do so we are stuck with whatever they can deliver purely by brute forcing things… again that means that you need even faster machines to make a dent (and we still have the issue of diminishing returns).

I say let developers properly optimise for the current generation of consoles, let MS and Sony get more and more data from devs once they push these machines to the limits and ensure your XSX2 and PS6 are proper next generation jumps addressing all the issues we have with these machines and then some.
Yeah, you're so right. We will have 599 consoles next or maybe more. Basically slightly slimmer pcs with specialised apus
 

Hydroxy

Member
..why?

This fucking gen didn't even start yet, we've had like 4 or 5 actual gen exclusives
They're making the consoles basically PCs with 3 year new hardware releases
But suckers will keep on sucking
Smaller, lighter, more efficient. I don't see the issue. You don't remember Playstation 2 Slim or PS3 Slim? Smaller and lighter also means you can easily carry it around to a friend's house or something.
 
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