MikeBreezy92
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I like how Cui, Dedoria, and Jeice got overlooked.
But whatevs
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Is there a cocky character with a worse fight record than Vegeta?
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foxuzamaki
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There's no squad like yusuke's squad tho, you cant compare
Apparently if Goku assists it doesn't count.
BKatastrophe
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Truest shit ever said
Dagobert Duck
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How you dare to mock the Prince of all saiyans?
Well yeah, his track record isnt the best, but if you look DBZ and DB Super he is the character with the most progression...
Retrospective DBZ is the story of genocidal alien being coming to earth turning into a family father and somekind of savior of earth...
while Gokus arc is more like genocidal alien being comes to earth, knocks his head, savior of earth...turning into a fighting maniac risking lifes of trillions of people around universes for a good fight...
Well yeah, his track record isnt the best, but if you look DBZ and DB Super he is the character with the most progression...
Retrospective DBZ is the story of genocidal alien being coming to earth turning into a family father and somekind of savior of earth...
while Gokus arc is more like genocidal alien being comes to earth, knocks his head, savior of earth...turning into a fighting maniac risking lifes of trillions of people around universes for a good fight...
That sounds similar to Vegeta.
Letting Cell transform
Turning Majin, so he could fight Goku. Then sucker punching him so he could be the hero, and getting whooped.
They both mess around with their oppenents. But Goku does it out of respect for life, and showing mercy.
Meanwhile Vegeta does it because of his arrogance, and ends up getting is ass kicked most times, only for Goku to save his sorry behind.
As for his development. There are some flashes of change in Vegeta, but those are for an episode or two, then he goes back to being the same crappy character.
It was nice seeing him put Bulma ahead of training, and his obsession with Goku.
MetalSlug
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I was trying to find the scene in BtVS where Andrew compares Spike and Angel to Vegeta and Goku, but can't find it on Youtube
Aaronrules380
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That's because Vegeta's character arc isn't really completed until the end of Z where he finally became a genuinely decent person.
Eh, we can always mock the Prince who lost to Arale.
Even Beerus can lose to Arale. That is not fair.
Vegeta just needs to adapt his techniques to fight a gag manga character.
BKatastrophe
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I don't think that happened. He compares himself to Vegeta, because he was evil and then ends up on the good guy side. He never compares those two, though. He never really mentions Angel when on BtVSI was trying to find the scene in BtVS where Andrew compares Spike and Angel to Vegeta and Goku, but can't find it on Youtube
I missed your post, damn.
My pet theory is that vampires slowly lose power around Buffy, because when they leave to the other show they are suddenly badass again.
I've heard people argue Spike shouldn't have beaten Angel during the cup of Mt. Dew battle, but I thought it was very fucking in character. Loved them hashing it all out like that with a single explosive fight.
Eh...Goku didnt had many near-death fights as kid and even so he grew stronger after it anyways. So i dont get that point.
Lmao. I think he realised this when he helped goku fight against the little boo.
I beg to differ.
Dude married so far out of his league, it's makes anything Vega or Goku could ever do seem paltry by comparison. Yamcha could defeat Beerus with one arm and it still wouldn't be as impressive as Krillin hooking up with Android 18.
Glendemonium
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Kuwabara from YYH might be a contender, he's not so much cocky but very sure of himself and isn't that good of a fighter.
He gets a couple wins in the Dark Tournament but one of them was an intended fluke by his opponent.
He gets a couple wins in the Dark Tournament but one of them was an intended fluke by his opponent.
Host Samurai
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Not true. Whis stated that there is nothing Beerus can't destroy.
He had several in Dragon Ball. Hell, broke his entire body in the saiyan saga and Goku never said he felt strong after recovering.
Kuwabara is somewhat cocky, but it is more that he is honorable. It's not that he has delusions that he is the strongest warrior ever. He just believes that a true warrior doesn't turn back from a fight, even if the odds are against him. He refuses help, but not because he believes he is too good to need it. Kuwabara has many impressive wins, and many of his losses were sacrificial.
Vegeta is 2-0 against the main character of the series. I think that compensates for some of those other Ls.
1) In the Saiyan Saga he takes on Goku at the height of his power (at that point in time) and pretty much curb stomps him at the end. Vegeta also takes a (weakened) Spirit Bomb and lives to talk about it too. Gohan/Krillin/Yajarobe technically beat Vegeta.
2) In the Buu Saga he beats Goku. Yeah, Goku was holding back but that's Goku's fault. Vegeta won that fight clean.
1) In the Saiyan Saga he takes on Goku at the height of his power (at that point in time) and pretty much curb stomps him at the end. Vegeta also takes a (weakened) Spirit Bomb and lives to talk about it too. Gohan/Krillin/Yajarobe technically beat Vegeta.
2) In the Buu Saga he beats Goku. Yeah, Goku was holding back but that's Goku's fault. Vegeta won that fight clean.
At best, it is 1-1. Goku could have easily beat him during the Buu saga, but went easy on him. I don't know why you even say Vegeta wins it. He never actually beats Goku in that fight. His Saiyan saga victory over Goku feels cheap because he had to transform. The cheapest part of it was that Goku wasn't even completely outclassing him. Goku was expending a lot of energy to outpace him, but it was clear it was taking a toll on Goku.
It isn't Vegeta's fault that Goku was holding back in the Buu Saga fight. Goku left himself exposed to a KO hit and Vegeta took advantage of it. That L is entirely Goku's fault. Also, you kind of contradicted yourself a little. You say Goku could have easily beat Vegeta in the Buu Saga (because Goku had the SSJ3 trump card) but then you say Vegeta's win against Goku in the Saiyan Saga is cheap because he had to transform? Wouldn't that be the same thing if Goku went SSJ3 against Vegeta?
Anyways, even if Vegeta didn't transform he was winning that fight. Goku was spent after that Kaioken X4 Kamehameha and Goku knew it. Vegeta transformed because he was pissed off, he probably wouldn't have if he knew Goku was a sitting duck.
No doubt, no doubt.
I don't recall Goku actually being KOed in that Buu fight. Either way, it was a hollow victory if he did. My dad let me "knock him out" when we pretended to box as a kid. It's not exactly a W I hold onto though.
And transforming into SSJ3 isn't the same as transforming into a giant ape. Even Vegeta says he is embarrassed to have to resort to that form to win.
Remember, from Vegeta's point of view, Goku has always defeated him.
Sir_Crocodile
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Dolph Ziggler
Isn't that because Sagat threw a fight against him and it went to his head?
Also, I'll nominate Gilgamesh from various Final Fantasy games. Calls himself the greatest swordsman, hasn't won a single fight on-screen. Even Vegeta won a couple.
Vegetarian had some nice wins
- He beat Goku in the saiyan saga. They needed, Yajirobe, Gohan and krillin to actually defeat vegeta
- zarbon
- dodoria
- kui
- Android 19
- Cell 2
- Goku again
- 1/2 of Kid Buu
His biggest feats were beating Goku twice. Where as Gokus biggest feat was beating frieza, and gohan beating perfect Cell.
- He beat Goku in the saiyan saga. They needed, Yajirobe, Gohan and krillin to actually defeat vegeta
- zarbon
- dodoria
- kui
- Android 19
- Cell 2
- Goku again
- 1/2 of Kid Buu
His biggest feats were beating Goku twice. Where as Gokus biggest feat was beating frieza, and gohan beating perfect Cell.
Generalpsyduck
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Rocky Balboa?
Kui and Dodoria were nobodies. I don't know why people insist on counting victories against fodder. If you're going to do that then you might as well count his victory against one of the sauna men.
He didn't defeat the second stage of Cell. He probably could have, but he didn't do it. That is Vegeta's fault. We can't just give him the victory just because he was stronger. Cell could have manage to possibly drain him.
Vegeta didn't beat Goku in the Buu saga, and he was basically taking steroids at this point.
He didn't beat Kid Buu.
lol Vegeta winning clean. Dude flat out agreed to stop fighting each other, so they could take on Buu.
That's some odd definition of clean.
Truth is, most of Vegeta's kills/wins have come the way of tricks/sucker punches.
NoctisVsStar
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They fought on par level wise regardless if he didn't win ssj3.. so technically vegeta won the fight. Mind you Trunks is my guy just in case.
Both of those were unusual circumstances. He beat Goku before Goku even knew what a Saiyan really was. In the second fight Goku knew that the world depended on not spending energy on the fight.
He's the Prince of all edgelords.
Lol im pretty sure someone brought up beating Napa's crippled ass, and Burter's corpse.
You have to take anything you can get with Vegeta.
Hitting his opponent from behind when their guard was down. I'm not sure that counts as a "win" anymore than punching Yamcha in his sleep.
Oh, are also counting the movies? Because Vegeta's losing streak skyrockets if we are.
Lol, these are the Ws that Vegeta fans desperately cling to. Vegeta says that he put the fight on hold so that he can fight Goku when he isn't worried about Buu. It was a dishonorable cheap shot and there is no way Vegeta views that as a victory. He even says that they will have to finish their fight later.
Being fair, and all. He did very well in the Frieza movie. Better than Goku. imo
NoctisVsStar
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Regardless fighting on par vegeta mopped him.
Tal Shiar Agent
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The Kid Buu fight was just to buy Goku time to complete the Universal Spirit Bomb.
PepsimanVsJoe
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I beg to differ.
Dude married so far out of his league, it's makes anything Vega or Goku could ever do seem paltry by comparison. Yamcha could defeat Beerus with one arm and it still wouldn't be as impressive as Krillin hooking up with Android 18.
Wait. Did marrying 18 cause Krillin to grow hair?!?
That's incredible.
He defeated goku in the saiyan saga. Also, I wouldnt count majin vegita vs goku a loss, maybe a draw, or even a win. Goku didnt beat him either.
Edit: he also defeated cell before allowing him to absorb 18. Also, because of him, Gohan was able to defeat perfect cell. This list of yours is bullshit, OP.
Edit: he also defeated cell before allowing him to absorb 18. Also, because of him, Gohan was able to defeat perfect cell. This list of yours is bullshit, OP.
The Silver
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Goku not shitting on Geets with SSJ3 was one of the dumbest things he's done, Buu never would have been revived. I don't buy his shit that he didn't want to hurt Geets' feelings, dude wanted to prolong the fight like he always does.
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