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Is There Any Fanservice In Western Games For Straight Men Anymore?

#Phonepunk#

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The games industry has mostly moved on from thinking the target audience is horny teenage boys to thinking the target audience is people who enjoy video games. So they don't feel the need to sexualise characters female characters as much as they once did.
so wait do you think after someone grows out of their teenage years, they are no longer horny? that doesn't make any sense lol

the horniest people are adults. this is why porn is called "adult entertainment". this is why old folks homes are breeding grounds for STDs.

again, seems weird to harp on this narrative that it is only teenage boys who like sexual material. it's not true and it's also kinda gross tbh.
 
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NeoIkaruGAF

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Whoa, I opened page 1 of this thread and thought I’d been redirected to Reera somehow :messenger_astonished:

I don’t even mind female bodies being covered head to toes, but you know it’s deeper than this. It’s facial features being more and more masculine and less attractive to straight males. It’s haircuts and styles veering more and more towards stereotypical lesbian looks. It’s completely normal female curves being more and more de-emphasized.

It’s not about erasing bared midriffs, boob windows, cleavage, naked thighs and shoulders, or nipples poking through tight t-shirts. It’s about negating femininity entirely - at least the kind of femininity that straight males typically enjoy.

People screeching because FF7R Tifa doesn’t have humongous boobs are idiots.
People thinking Mythra’s covered thighs in her Smash portrait as a spirit look “better” are idiots, too.
 

Woopah

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so wait do you think after someone grows out of their teenage years, they are no longer horny? that doesn't make any sense lol

the horniest people are adults. this is why porn is called "adult entertainment". this is why old folks homes are breeding grounds for STDs.

again, seems weird to harp on this narrative that it is only teenage boys who like sexual material. it's not true and it's also kinda gross tbh.

Adults are horny but I think they are less likely to be excited by a scantily clad video game charter.

I could have expressed myself better but my main point is that games used to be targeted primarily at boys/men in their teens or twenties whereas now they are targeted at a much broader range of people. I think that impacts the approach to character design.
 

Woopah

Member
hard disagree, imo adults love scantily clad sexy humans just as much as teenagers.

again, there is the entire billion dollar a year pr0n industry if you need evidence of this. guess who funds that industry? adults.
Sure but porn is mostly real people not video game characters. There will be some adults that like it but I think a large majority of adult video game players prefer non-sexualised video game characters to sexualised ones.

Using the term "horny teenager" probably was a mistake though as it detracted from my main point about demographics. That's my bad.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
that's cool. i think it factors in heavily.

it's just weird that the industry doesn't draw the line at, say, shooting someone in the face. somehow shooting someone in the face is an experience equally enjoyable to a teenage boy and to an adult male. but some big tits, that's something only for teenage boys. we need to put those silly things away when we age. except for shooting people in the face, that can stay.

like, it just makes no sense to me. it's a cultural double standard.

also, you keep bringing up "other demographics" and yet, aren't lesbians a demographic? and bisexuals? wouldn't they also want sexualized women in their games? seems like by insisting it is only teenage boys, you are erasing their experience. i would think that catering to those groups would mean even more appetite for sexy women since you now have straight men + gay/bit women. it's not like the LGBT community only includes straight women and gay men.
 
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Woopah

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that's cool. i think it factors in heavily.

it's just weird that the industry doesn't draw the line at, say, shooting someone in the face. somehow shooting someone in the face is an experience equally enjoyable to a teenage boy and to an adult male. but some big tits, that's something only for teenage boys. we need to put those silly things away when we age. except for shooting people in the face, that can stay.

like, it just makes no sense to me. it's a cultural double standard.

also, you keep bringing up "other demographics" and yet, aren't lesbians a demographic? and bisexuals? wouldn't they also want sexualized women in their games? seems like by insisting it is only teenage boys, you are erasing their experience. i would think that catering to those groups would mean even more appetite for sexy women since you now have straight men + gay/bit women. it's not like the LGBT community only includes straight women and gay men.

They are interesting points.

To your first point I think they include violence but not sexualisation because sexualisation puts off a lot more people. If Halo 5 came out and Master Chief was heavily sexualised, or if the main characters in the next were heavily sexualised I think a lot of gamers would hate that. Not because they are prudes but because that's not want they want from those game. You can still have sex and nudity in video games without sexualisation. Bioware RPGs used to pull this off quite well.

To your second point, I don't think the LGBT community factored in much when publishers and developers were choosing character designs in previous console generations. I don't believe their reasoning for sexualising women over men was "games are for lesbians but not gay men". I think their reasoning was "video games are primarily played by men and most mem are straight, so let's go for character designs that straight men want".


Why people always assume you must be “horny” to like sexy design? So we are only allowed to like ugly ass character designs?

I think the key point is the difference between an attractive character and a sexualised character.

To go back the OP, Aloy is an attractive character and has a really good design, but she isnt sexualised. If the characters in Horizon were heavily sexualised I think a lot of people would have been put off the game.
 

Danjin44

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They are interesting points.

I think the key point is the difference between an attractive character and a sexualised character.

To go back the OP, Aloy is an attractive character and has a really good design, but she isnt sexualised. If the characters in Horizon were heavily sexualised I think a lot of people would have been put off the game.
I personally more in to designs like Bayonetta and 2B, I personally find design like Aloy really, really boring. My question is why cant both exist? Not everything needs to appeal to everybody and there is nothing wrong for people for liking more sexy design like Bayonetta and 2B.
 
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Woopah

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I personally more in to designs like Bayonetta and 2B, I personally find design like Aloy really, really boring. My question is why cant both exist? Not everything needs to appeal to everybody and they is nothing wrong for people for liking more sexy design like Bayonetta and 2B.
Not at all, I've played games with both of those characters and think there's nothing wrong with liking either character (though I also get why people can not like them). In both cases I think the sexusl designs more or less fit with the theme of the game. I don't think a sexual design would fit well with a Horizon game.

Out of curiosity, what male character designs do you enjoy?
 

chriskun

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lol straight boys age into "straight men".

seems a bit weird to remove sexual content because the base is now men. wouldn't an adult still want sexual content in their entertainment? the idea that hetero sex appeals to teenage boys but once they grow into adulthood it's no longer needed is bizarre.

hey here's an idea, maybe adults can enjoy the content they want? seems real weird to limit sexualized content to things made for kids. like i don't understand that line of thinking at all. feels like another excuse to shame "manbabies" (ie the calling cry for men criticizing other men who don't think like them). the whole "sexualized fan service is infantilizing!" narrative is weird and icky. it feels pretty incoherent. adults like sexual content in their stuff. look at the movies and tv shows they watch. it's not some grand mystery. it's not something you need to shame. grown men like some titties. if you can't handle that maybe you need to grow up.
Guys, take of your fedoras for a second and listen. As far as the movies and tv shows that people watch the sexualization is blatant, the biggest example of this being Game of Thrones. Women are are scantily clad when it makes sense, and they are brutish when it makes sense. The women who excel at physicality are seldom attractive and dont have their tits hanging out unless they are fucking. Women who are excel at being hot as fuck are in positions that it makes sense for like being a whore or a politician/queen. Which is great! I love both watching Brienne beat the shit out of some dudes and looking at Khaleesi's big ol' ass when she gets up out of the bath tub. And it was the biggest fucking show ever. And yeah, sexualized fan service is weird and icky, keep that shit in the shadows where it belongs, and thats ok. Everything triple A plays by these rules, and it has for the most part since the beginning of media. Overt sexualization without context has always been relegated to the B-tier, which is where it belongs.
 

chriskun

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so wait do you think after someone grows out of their teenage years, they are no longer horny? that doesn't make any sense lol

the horniest people are adults. this is why porn is called "adult entertainment". this is why old folks homes are breeding grounds for STDs.

again, seems weird to harp on this narrative that it is only teenage boys who like sexual material. it's not true and it's also kinda gross tbh.
Dude, when I was a teenager I would fucking jerk off like 4 times a day to a Marvel swimsuit calendar. I neither have the time nor the libido to do that, makes my dick sore to be honest. Also, the narrative is not that only teenage boys like sexual material, my point is that teenage boys are more likely to get a boner from a girl wearing an Abercrombie ensemble from 1995, which is where many minds are still stuck.
 

KiNeMz

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Whoa, I opened page 1 of this thread and thought I’d been redirected to Reera somehow :messenger_astonished:

I don’t even mind female bodies being covered head to toes, but you know it’s deeper than this. It’s facial features being more and more masculine and less attractive to straight males. It’s haircuts and styles veering more and more towards stereotypical lesbian looks. It’s completely normal female curves being more and more de-emphasized.

It’s not about erasing bared midriffs, boob windows, cleavage, naked thighs and shoulders, or nipples poking through tight t-shirts. It’s about negating femininity entirely - at least the kind of femininity that straight males typically enjoy.

People screeching because FF7R Tifa doesn’t have humongous boobs are idiots.
People thinking Mythra’s covered thighs in her Smash portrait as a spirit look “better” are idiots, too.


Agreed.

Tifa does look amazing. It gives me hope.
 

Danjin44

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Out of curiosity, what male character designs do you enjoy?
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Quick heads up.

If anyone ever tries to tie the marker for maturity to what kind of video games you enjoy you can safely ignore anything they have to say.

Those who experience extreme insecurity regarding how other people see them and obsess over reminding people how mature they are at any opportunity (like this thread) do not have any valuable input to give you, other than showing you what immaturity actually looks like.

It's the sort of thing I expect from children who develop an unhealthy desire to be seen as an adult, something I expect to be shed in actual adulthood but going by this thread and others I've seen in the past not everyone makes the transition.

Remember, children who want to be acknowledged as adults are the ones who see value in the idea that admonishing others for what they enjoy so they can prop themselves up as "mature" is good.

It's a laughable perversion of the real thing.
 

Guilty_AI

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Quick heads up.

If anyone ever tries to tie the marker for maturity to what kind of video games you enjoy you can safely ignore anything they have to say.

Those who experience extreme insecurity regarding how other people see them and obsess over reminding people how mature they are at any opportunity (like this thread) do not have any valuable input to give you, other than showing you what immaturity actually looks like.

It's the sort of thing I expect from children who develop an unhealthy desire to be seen as an adult, something I expect to be shed in actual adulthood but going by this thread and others I've seen in the past not everyone makes the transition.

Remember, children who want to be acknowledged as adults are the ones who see value in the idea that admonishing others for what they enjoy so they can prop themselves up as "mature" is good.

It's a laughable perversion of the real thing.
Its something i also notice. I've shown games like Undertale and A Hat in Time for 12/13 years old and they'd often refuse to play claiming its for "little kids". Meanwhile, 20+ yo friends i've shown them to would be interested.
 

Renoir

Member
No trap here man, the entire crux of this complaint is just silly, and so is the framing of the word "fan service" which has been coopted by pedos. Further more, the old days of big tittie real doll bitches in games was from an era when the average age of game players was much younger, so it never was for "straight men", but for straight boys.
You're illustrating my point, in the fact that you don't want others to have something.. and that something clearly is irrelevant to you. But you bash on it, and make it seem like others are wrong for having it. It is something simple. The century old argument of if you don't like it flip the channel apply here.
 

Pantz

Gold Member
The games industry has mostly moved on from thinking the target audience is horny teenage boys to thinking the target audience is people who enjoy video games. So they don't feel the need to sexualise characters female characters as much as they once did.

It's gotten to the point where it's getting more and more difficult to find a single female character in a western game that's on the fairer side of femininity or being "pretty". Its a disturbing trend if you think about it. This is not only about nudity, jiggle physics. BTW it is possible to enjoy some eye-candy in games without getting horny and jerking off - no different than in movies or any other medium.
 

chriskun

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It's gotten to the point where it's getting more and more difficult to find a single female character in a western game that's on the fairer side of femininity or being "pretty". Its a disturbing trend if you think about it. This is not only about nudity, jiggle physics. BTW it is possible to enjoy some eye-candy in games without getting horny and jerking off - no different than in movies or any other medium.
Still plenty of hot girls in video games, and the fact that you use the word "disturbing" is disturbing. Everyone who is seriously complaining about this is basically the polar opposite of the blind liberals that left for reset era, just saying a bunch of hyperbolic shit, and getting "offended" in a different way. You guys are the goths in highschool who despised the preppy kids but took just as fuckin long or longer to get ready in the morning.
 

DryPancakes

Banned
Agreed.

Tifa does look amazing. It gives me hope.

Yes, but haven't you noticed? I'm really paranoid and cynical at this point but it seems the localization tried to tone down her characterization a bit.

In japanese she sounds more demure and soft spoken, which sounds to me they deliberately tried to change, she sounds way more sassy at points, not to mention ridiculous lines like: "you know how much ass I can kick" which is just dumb and sounds like something a twitter feminist would say with their, "baddass women who kick ass" arguments, I don't know what the line in japanese is but I'm 99% sure is not that, again, pretty cynical but hey, it's still current year.
 

Cleared_Hot

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Glad jaffe still around being very active in the community. I value his input. Gow should've had at least one sexy scene and I was let down that it didn't.
 

NeoIkaruGAF

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Guys, take of your fedoras for a second and listen. As far as the movies and tv shows that people watch the sexualization is blatant, the biggest example of this being Game of Thrones. Women are are scantily clad when it makes sense, and they are brutish when it makes sense. The women who excel at physicality are seldom attractive and dont have their tits hanging out unless they are fucking. Women who are excel at being hot as fuck are in positions that it makes sense for like being a whore or a politician/queen. Which is great! I love both watching Brienne beat the shit out of some dudes and looking at Khaleesi's big ol' ass when she gets up out of the bath tub. And it was the biggest fucking show ever. And yeah, sexualized fan service is weird and icky, keep that shit in the shadows where it belongs, and thats ok. Everything triple A plays by these rules, and it has for the most part since the beginning of media. Overt sexualization without context has always been relegated to the B-tier, which is where it belongs.
I'm afraid your comparison is off.

Character design in film/TV and in video games is different. Has to be. Always has been.

This part of your post:

Women are are scantily clad when it makes sense, and they are brutish when it makes sense. The women who excel at physicality are seldom attractive and dont have their tits hanging out unless they are fucking. Women who are excel at being hot as fuck are in positions that it makes sense for like being a whore or a politician/queen.

assumes a lot, but isn't supported by much.

What do you mean, "when it makes sense"? Do you think a woman (or anyone) always knows when she'll get brutish, and dresses accordingly in advance? Women can get violent at a party, when they're wearing a dress and high heels. And do you think "brutish" women can't turn into smoking-hot femmes fatales when they want, or need, to?
And don't you realize what you're implying when you say that for a woman who "excels at being hot as fuck" (LOL) it "makes sense" being a politician? Really, pal? Don't you realize that those designs are created to pander to stereotypes and people's expectations? Don't you know that history has seen plenty of ugly women as queens? Don't you realize that film and TV showing attractive women in positions of power IS fanservice?

But let's get back to video games.

It's true that "fanservicey" designs had been free to go places for a long time. With different sensibilities, of course. Scantily-clad women have featured in video games for a long, long time. Arcade brawlers were full of them. Gauntlet, Dungeons and Dragons, Streets of Rage, and the plethora of 1-on-1 fighters that flooded arcades and consoles after Street Fighter II made the genre explode. Other genres were slower to follow, mainly because graphical fidelity didn't allow for detailed models and the best you could fap to were the illustrations in the game's manual.

When 3D became mainstream, both Japanese and western devs went to town with sexualized designs. On the eastern front you had stuff like Dead or Alive, which was incredibly in-your-face with sexualization, even if boob jiggle was intended to be more of a joke and a promotional feature. The in-game models were a bunch of crude polygons and making those tits jiggle in the most exaggerated fashion was relatively easy - also you could turn it off. On the western side, you had shit like this:

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Blatant. Unoriginal. And completely, utterly pointless. This isn't design. There is literally nothing behind this character's appearance. It's what clueless western designers thought "gamers" liked because "gamers" seemed to like JRPGs very much, and "gamers" being stupid, of course it couldn't be the games they liked. It had to be the boobs.

Around the time of Sudeki and similar stuff, there was a period when this kind of shit was turned up to 11. I'll take the Soul Edge/Calibur series as an example.

This is Sophitia in Soul Edge:

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This is a 1995 design. It's still quite modest, even if it is somewhat sexualized. But this is good design. The proportions aren't exaggerated, yet the overall design screams sexy even if the woman's torso is covered in armor. Sophitia is meant to be strong, but also sexy. You better believed I rubbed one out at Sophitia, LOL. More than one, to be honest. And of course Namco had a secret swimsuit costume for her, but this one was the main character design. And it's great. Sexy, but believable and balanced. This is a design that would make sense in the game's historical context.

But then this happened:

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This is a striking one-image recapitulation of what happened with female character design in the 2000s. I used to love Sophitia's design. But when Soul Calibur went HD, this is what was shown in promo images:

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And this, yeah, this turned me off. This isn't good character design. You can see that the character wasn't the primary concern here. no sir.

Cassandra is another perfect example of this. And I can understand why a reaction movement to this shit started. It's silly. It's juvenile. It's gratuitous. And from my point of view, it's actually a turn-off rather than a turn-on. I didn't ask for this. I don't know who asked for this.

But there's got to be a middle line between this and current designs. Because current "designs" aren't much of designs at all. Japanese designs may be a turn-off for many and some of them are absolutely ridiculous, yes. But broadly speaking, Japan still understands design better than the west. Chara design in visual arts (compared to live-action, where a different balance must be adopted because real people are perceived differently by the audience compared to fictional graphical representations) must have something distinctive, something that makes a character look different and interesting, something that makes you think "yeah, this is how I'd expect this character to look" when you get to know them beyond their appearance. But this?

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What even... IS this? This isn't design. There's nothing behind these except "they must look like this lest someone be offended", or "I think a woman should look like this". But there's the problem. When you're designing a woman character, you're not designing a woman - you're designing this woman. A person, not a generic fleshdoll. Same goes for the Nat Drakes, the Booker DeWitts, the Commander Shepards of the video game world. Sadly, their looks don't really seem to matter to their designers. We can recognize these characters because we've spent a lot of time with them by consuming video games. But this:

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This became mainstream for a reason. Yeah, she's sexy. Yeah, the tits and the outfit definitely played a part in her success. But this design is cool. This design screams "Look at me, I'm someone!". There's nothing generic in OG Lara. And OG Lara still reminds us that there's a difference between a character that's sexualized for the sake of showing digital flesh, and one that can be sexy but it's much more than that.
 
Straight male sexuality is being branded as bad/'evil'/taboo.

I'll always remember this terrible double standard from Nintendo Treehouse's E3 presentations. In 2017, that big-boobed Treehouse girl would undress Link and comment on his naked body. In 2018 when they presented Fire Emblem Warriors, female Treehouse members would discuss their 'husbandos' live on camera. Meanwhile no male Treehouse member ever talked about 'waifus' or how sexy some of the Xenoblade 2-girls were.

Straight male sexuality has been made taboo. And that's a bad thing. I keep seeing criticism against pervy scenes in Xenoblade 2. There's like 4-5 scenes with (good) sexual humor - in a 70+ hour game. It's like not a tiny bit of (straight) sexual content is allowed by these people, even when it goes against realism.

Right now, the usual idiots complain about a Bannerlord mod that changes the awful feminist female characters to more realistic depiction of women during the medieval times. This is the current state of creative freedom: everything *must* follow feminist agenda or else it's misogynistic.

I don't know how to rectify this. That's why I'm switching from consoles to PC.
 

holygeesus

Banned
If I cant see big boobs in video games, I certainly can't think of any other way to get my jollies. Life is tough. I can't even remember the last time a game featured a straight heterosexual relationship any more. Nor one that wasn't full of the gays. Woe is me.
 

Woo-Fu

Banned
Hey now, we still have guns, power tools and 4WD in most western games. If the only sort of fan service that works for you is sexual I'm not sure gaming is the problem. :messenger_smiling_horns:
 
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All these years later I still chuckle at what a fucking moron that guy is.
Since when does fan service mean pandering to people to beat off to video games? That's not a definition I've ever seen before.
 
To go back the OP, Aloy is an attractive character and has a really good design, but she isnt sexualised. If the characters in Horizon were heavily sexualised I think a lot of people would have been put off the game.
What? I'd be the opposite, more people would be interested in this lmao. The only groups who'd be off put by the game would be reddit and resetera. And I loved Horizon.
 

#Phonepunk#

Banned
Everything triple A plays by these rules, and it has for the most part since the beginning of media. Overt sexualization without context has always been relegated to the B-tier
lol talking tiers. this is beyond silly.

also lol @ "take off your fedoras". hilarious zing. dude you spend 90% of your arguments projecting onto people.

nothing wrong with an adult wanting sexy entertainment. you seem really big into shaming. "a tier b tier" who gives a fuck what "tier" something is? are you some consumer elitist or something? lol and none of that has anything to do with the topic. if i gave a shit about consuming the right tier media i would be only watching lawyer tv shows or something. feels like you just want to control what people like.

face it, adults like sexy media. it's everywhere. so it will be in games too. not all adults like violence instead of sex. not all adults are afraid of T&A. as an adult you are going to have to get to grip with the reality that not all adults think like you. that's ok.
 
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Geki-D

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Since when does fan service mean pandering to people to beat off to video games? That's not a definition I've ever seen before.
"The typical, but not only, variety of fan service in anime or manga is racy, sexual, or erotic content, such as nudity and other forms of eye candy[16][32] (for example, sexy maid costumes). Fan service is especially common in shonen manga (aimed at boys). In shonen manga, pin-up girl style images are common "in varying states of undress", often using an "accidental exposure" excuse to show a favourite female character,[35] or an upskirt "glimpse of a character's panties".[36] Series aimed at an older audience include more explicit fan service.[35] Jiggling breasts, known as the "Gainax bounce", are an example of fan service,[37] created as a way to make a scene of the Daicon IV opening video a bit more "H". The "bounce" was taken up by other animators, including the creators of the hentai series Cream Lemon.[38] Shower scenes[32] are very common in movies and in anime of the 1980s and 1990s, while many more recent TV series use trips to onsen (Japanese hot springs) or trips to tropical locales (or in some cases a swimming pool) in order to showcase the characters in bathing suits. Series aimed at males can also include fan service for women, as an attempt to court a wider audience.[39] "

"The use of sex or sexualized situations to reward or entice viewers. While the specific term fanservice" arose from the anime community, the concept is far, far older. Most fanservice is seldom explicit or graphic—that is the territory of pornography. Instead, it uses sexuality or hints at sex often in a funny or comedic way to tease and titillate the audience. This is traditionally associated with female characters, but fanservice of male characters isn't uncommon either. "

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  1. (manga, anime, media) The inclusion in a work of fiction of any material, especially racy or sexual material, which has no relevance to the storyline, but is designed merely to excite the viewer.

"In general, fan service refers to scenes designed to excite or titillate the viewer. This can include scantily-clad outfits, cleavage shots, panty shots, nude scenes (shower scenes especially), etc. Some broader definitions also include things like cool mecha, big explosions, battle scenes, etc. Basically, if it has little plot-redeaming value, but makes the viewer sit up and take notice, it's probably fan service in one form or another."

OP is also clearly referring to fan service by the definition of "sexy girls". As is everyone else in this thread. The term literally is called "Fan Service" as in servicing the fans to make them happy at the expense of plot. What type of response do you think fans give to being pandered to with hot girls?; It simulates their sense of fine art? Of course not, it's to make their peepees hard.
 
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#Phonepunk#

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What type of response do you think fans give to being pandered to with hot girls?; It simulates their sense of fine art? Of course not, it's to make their peepees hard.
who cares? is art suddenly no longer viable because it "make their peepees hard"?

plus, why is this a bad thing? if we are going to start judging biochemical reactions to stimuli, then how come a "peepee getting hard" when seeing a sexual woman is a bad thing but getting a dopamine hit from shooting someone in the head is a good thing? or violently decapitating a fighter? it's totally cool to get pleasure from seeing one action but not another -- doesn't that seem like a massive double standard?

at some point you just need to admit you find sexual content shameful and other content less so. you have to admit you enjoy violence more than sex. that's some scary stuff to admit. that's fine, i don't judge, since it is just VIRTUAL AND NOT REAL. not gonna look down on people who like Murder Mysteries either.

honestly i find it so weird when people get hung up on what others like. there is nothing wrong with enjoying sexual content as an adult. it is perfectly fine. so it's so bizarre to see people get "ew!" about it. and the language you use here, "peepees", it's weird and infantilizing. we are talking adults, not children. using childlike language is a weird dodge.
 
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Saber

Gold Member
I would like to see who think sexy outfits are nothing but porn or janky material to test their thinking in the real life. Go there on the streets and call out every women who likes to dress like that and see what they say.

My friend would laught at you and call you nerd losers. Just so you know, she married another woman(their marriage happened almost as the time I start working at my company, even though it was too late for me to attend she send me wed candies). She loves to show me naked girls magazine to work(her mate didn't know though), even though I said I'm not confortable watching that at my workplace.


i disagree with the bold. i think fan service can BE the plot.

fwiw fanservice has been a part of art from the beginning. literally tens of thousands of years old.

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this was made in 30,000 BCE.

There were people here in my country who wants to ban this type of art btw. They say its too offensive to kids.
 

Geki-D

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who cares? is art suddenly no longer viable because it "make their peepees hard"?

plus, why is this a bad thing? if we are going to start judging biochemical reactions to stimuli, then how come a "peepee getting hard" when seeing a sexual woman is a bad thing but getting a dopamine hit from shooting someone in the head is a good thing?

honestly i find it so weird when people get hung up on what others like. there is nothing wrong with enjoying sexual content as an adult. it is perfectly fine. so it's so bizarre to see people get "ew!" about it. and the language you use here, "peepees", it's weird and infantilizing.
Nope, but then I'm for letting the devs do what they want and I'm not going to start crying because devs aren't interested in putting fan service in every game or throw a fit because every girl in games isn't pretty.

It's interesting that you're trying to spin this as the meany prudes trying to censor games when really it's more about canceling devs that don't appeal to you.
 
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Sure but that's very specific to the context. In Senran Kagura? Yep. In like, the modern Tomb Raider or Resident Evil 3, where they're trying to tell a serious story? Nope.

If RE3 is considered a 'serious story', then yes?

People like you frame straight sexuality as something unimportant, something 'not serious' or 'something superfluous'. It's not. Especially in realistic games, sexual content is important. No idea where you live, but when I leave the house I see sexily dressed girls all the time. Straight sexually attractive imagery is part of everyday life. YET, when you play modern (western) games, it's completely devoid of it. How is that realistic?

Hence why I keep saying we need more sexy content in aaa games. No, not hentai sluts at every corner. But a reasonable mix of average, ugly and sexy girls. Same for men, of course. And while not every location in a game should feature sexy content, maybe there should be specific locations that do. Like a brothel. A nude bar. A sex slave market (depending on the setting 🤷‍♀️).

The point is: straight sexuality is part of real life - it deserves to be part of games, too.
 

Geki-D

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If RE3 is considered a 'serious story', then yes?

People like you frame straight sexuality as something unimportant, something 'not serious' or 'something superfluous'. It's not. Especially in realistic games, sexual content is important. No idea where you live, but when I leave the house I see sexily dressed girls all the time. Straight sexually attractive imagery is part of everyday life. YET, when you play modern (western) games, it's completely devoid of it. How is that realistic?

Hence why I keep saying we need more sexy content in aaa games. No, not hentai sluts at every corner. But a reasonable mix of average, ugly and sexy girls. Same for men, of course. And while not every location in a game should feature sexy content, maybe there should be specific locations that do. Like a brothel. A nude bar. A sex slave market (depending on the setting 🤷‍♀️).

The point is: straight sexuality is part of real life - it deserves to be part of games, too.
lol I don't even know who you're talking to here. Nice soapbox speech, but it doesn't actually counter or even clash with anything I've said because I haven't advocated for anything either way other than letting devs do what they want.

"Fan service" has a very specific meaning. Please quote me saying that games should be totally devoid of any sexual content. I'll wait.
 

lock2k

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Guys, take of your fedoras for a second and listen. As far as the movies and tv shows that people watch the sexualization is blatant, the biggest example of this being Game of Thrones. Women are are scantily clad when it makes sense, and they are brutish when it makes sense. The women who excel at physicality are seldom attractive and dont have their tits hanging out unless they are fucking. Women who are excel at being hot as fuck are in positions that it makes sense for like being a whore or a politician/queen. Which is great! I love both watching Brienne beat the shit out of some dudes and looking at Khaleesi's big ol' ass when she gets up out of the bath tub. And it was the biggest fucking show ever. And yeah, sexualized fan service is weird and icky, keep that shit in the shadows where it belongs, and thats ok. Everything triple A plays by these rules, and it has for the most part since the beginning of media. Overt sexualization without context has always been relegated to the B-tier, which is where it belongs.

Where does the "make sense" or "have context" mentality come from?

A fantasy world does not have to make sense. It can have flying dinosaurs who are also robot assassins from the mafia or some shit.

If I create a fantasy world, the sense it has to make is the sense of my creation. If all characters have to be almost naked, so be it. Video games and fantasy worlds do not have to conform to realistic ideas. They're escapism. If I want real life I just open my bank account and sob. lol
 

Woopah

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What? I'd be the opposite, more people would be interested in this lmao. The only groups who'd be off put by the game would be reddit and resetera. And I loved Horizon.

Different strikes for different folks I guess. To me it would really undermine the atmosphere of the game if Aloy, Avad, Ersa, Errend and Olin etc. were heavily sexualised with skimpy outfits and revealing camera angles. Same with other Sony games, I don't think fans would like it if Kratos or Nathan Drake were sexualised in future games.
 

Doom85

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Where does the "make sense" or "have context" mentality come from?

A fantasy world does not have to make sense. It can have flying dinosaurs who are also robot assassins from the mafia or some shit.

If I create a fantasy world, the sense it has to make is the sense of my creation. If all characters have to be almost naked, so be it. Video games and fantasy worlds do not have to conform to realistic ideas. They're escapism. If I want real life I just open my bank account and sob. lol

Because other writers don't have to follow "your rules" in creating a world? I'm sorry that George R.R. Martin didn't want dinosaurs and robot assassins in a semi-fantasy world that's meant to somewhat represent The Hundred Years War.

By your argument, I guess the final showdown between Harry Potter and Voldemort could have just been resolved by Harry using his magic to summon Godzilla out of nowhere and it blasts Voldemort into oblivion. Except, you know, this "fantasy world" did utilize specific rules of its magic and world and that's how J.K. Rowling wrote the series and if she had resolved the conflict in such a batshit nonsensical way the fans would have naturally criticized it.

Like it or not, most fantasy writers still do establish logical rules and limitations of their universe. That way the reader/viewer can have a better understanding of what can or can't feasibly happen within that universe, otherwise the stakes are meaningless as anything can happen to dues ex machina the conlifct away. If Sauron is about to take over Middle-Earth and suddenly Gandalf just time-travels to the future and comes back with a tactical nuke and launches it straight into Mordor, yeah, see the problem?

You can write YOUR universe however you want, but if you don't establish rules and limitations of some kind don't be surprised if your audience calls you out on it.
 

Valonquar

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I like sexy characters in games, but there is definately a line that gets crossed going from sexy to plain embarrassing levels of trashy.
 

lock2k

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Because other writers don't have to follow "your rules" in creating a world? I'm sorry that George R.R. Martin didn't want dinosaurs and robot assassins in a semi-fantasy world that's meant to somewhat represent The Hundred Years War.

By your argument, I guess the final showdown between Harry Potter and Voldemort could have just been resolved by Harry using his magic to summon Godzilla out of nowhere and it blasts Voldemort into oblivion. Except, you know, this "fantasy world" did utilize specific rules of its magic and world and that's how J.K. Rowling wrote the series and if she had resolved the conflict in such a batshit nonsensical way the fans would have naturally criticized it.

Like it or not, most fantasy writers still do establish logical rules and limitations of their universe. That way the reader/viewer can have a better understanding of what can or can't feasibly happen within that universe, otherwise the stakes are meaningless as anything can happen to dues ex machina the conlifct away. If Sauron is about to take over Middle-Earth and suddenly Gandalf just time-travels to the future and comes back with a tactical nuke and launches it straight into Mordor, yeah, see the problem?

You can write YOUR universe however you want, but if you don't establish rules and limitations of some kind don't be surprised if your audience calls you out on it.

Way to take my comment completely out of context.

I meant if I was a creator I wouldn't follow any rules. You are completely bending my comment to fit what you want.

You know that is what I meant. Right?

I meant that fantasy worlds do not have to follow rules. They only have to follow the rules of their gods (their writers).

Also

"By your argument, I guess the final showdown between Harry Potter and Voldemort could have just been resolved by Harry using his magic to summon Godzilla out of nowhere and it blasts Voldemort into oblivion."

Yes, they can. It's their work. If you don't like it you can fuck off. lol

I'm a musician. If I released a prog metal first album and I wanted to make a trap-pop second album with Brap rapping on it no one would be right on calling me off because it's my work. Fans are morons most of the time.
 
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#Phonepunk#

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If RE3 is considered a 'serious story', then yes?

People like you frame straight sexuality as something unimportant, something 'not serious' or 'something superfluous'. It's not. Especially in realistic games, sexual content is important. No idea where you live, but when I leave the house I see sexily dressed girls all the time. Straight sexually attractive imagery is part of everyday life. YET, when you play modern (western) games, it's completely devoid of it. How is that realistic?

Hence why I keep saying we need more sexy content in aaa games. No, not hentai sluts at every corner. But a reasonable mix of average, ugly and sexy girls. Same for men, of course. And while not every location in a game should feature sexy content, maybe there should be specific locations that do. Like a brothel. A nude bar. A sex slave market (depending on the setting 🤷‍♀️).

The point is: straight sexuality is part of real life - it deserves to be part of games, too.
this right here. couldn't have said it better.

we need more sexy content, not less. especially considering the age of gamers is going up. it is part of life. it will find it's way into games regardless.

im not saying we need to force creators to make only sexy content, but im saying we need to not force them to not make it. i believe in artistic freedom. i believe in not consumer shaming. throwing up your hands and saying "but people just want to get off on it!" is a whole big WHO CARES from me. like that is the entire point of entertainment media. is it really so wrong to enjoy something?
 
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