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Let's talk about "creepshots"

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Lancehead

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I don't think internet vigilantism is a very good idea.

Contacting employers goes a step beyond reasonable, and is damn close to harassment.

Two wrongs don't make a right. But hey, I don't enjoy revenge movies either.

No, it's not. What they do with that information is up to them.
 
People are just going to post them under throwaway accounts now.

It's pretty funny, though. Fighting invasion of privacy with an invasion of privacy.

Well, that's one way you can look at it. The other is that it illustrates why disingenuous idealism can be a bad thing. I.e. "I'm not doing anything illegal; this is all stuff out there in public" may not be an ideal you want to cling to when committing dubious acts.
 

UrbanRats

Member
I don't think internet vigilantism is a very good idea.

Contacting employers goes a step beyond reasonable, and is damn close to harassment.

Two wrongs don't make a right. But hey, I don't enjoy revenge movies either.
Imo it really depends on the extent they'll go, after posting the information.
I certainly wouldn't want anyone to get physically hurt, for example.
Still, they were dancing around what's legal, so it seems to me like a fair response, so far.
Maybe they should concentrate on whoever posts material, instead of everyone who simply comments (if they don't already do that).

Most humans are morons (and a huge %age of Redditors are as well).

I see the subreddit is now private. Victory?

Not really:
"As of today, CreepShots is set to private and possibly shut down for good — likely because someone threatened to out a senior moderator — but the subreddit's enterprising fans will almost certainly figure out some other way to photograph unsuspecting women and post their photos on the internet. (Oh, hey! Looks like they already have.)"
They closed Creepshots and opened Creepyshots, basically.

The only thing that made me rise an eyebrow in the article was this passage:

Sure, most of the men on Predditors may only be guilty of posting CreepShots like "My manager at work, such a nice ass" and "looong legs." But Samantha believes that CreepShots is a gateway drug to more dangerous hobbies. Fetishizing non-consent "indicates [that CreepShots posters] don't view women as people, and most will not be satisfied with just that level of violation," she said. "I want to make sure that the people around these men know what they're doing so they can reap social, professional, or legal consequences, and possibly save women from future sexual assault. These men are dangerous."

Not that is necessarily wrong, but saying that "most" of these creepshooters will become rapists is an heavy assumption.

And as far as i understand, on reddit you can comment without posting a picture, right? So posting a sketchy comment (like we've seen in this very thread, really) does not mean that you'll turn into a rapist, as tasteless and inappropriate that comment may be.
 
Stop being gorgeous and these things won't happen to you. It's your fault. Actually, in your case they may be taking pics because of that thing attached to your head.

But the yoga pants are just too comfortable! :3

And, yeah, you're right. It's probably the bear. He is fairly distinctive headgear.


"But these pictures can't hurt anybody because nobody can be identified from them!" thought the photo takers.

And then the photographer was identity

I did enjoy that bit of reversal.


Lol, yep free speech backfire!
The irony of it is quite sweet.

Indeed. If they think it's such a cool and legal thing to do, then surely they'll stand by their actions with their real names. Their behavior certainly suggests they're not ashamed of it.
 
i really wish Anon would DDoS the shit out of reddit for great justice.

Cause 4chan isn't known for having the exact same kind of photos posted often, except often underaged. Of course they aren't going to DDoS reddit, they are too busy taking down Swedish library websites in their brave war for freedom of speech and pirating!

creepyshots was already shut down. i really wish Anon would DDoS the shit out of reddit for great justice.

Well... I highly doubt it. Will probably just teach people not to be dumb asses and have users that ties with their real name and facebook and stuff.
 

Apath

Member
Awesome.
Yeah, I wouldn't consider either okay, both invasions of privacy. Creepshots kind of objectify women though, so I'd say they're a bit less acceptable.
I don't know -- Creepshots objectifies women via turning them into sexual objects, while People of Walmart objectifies people by turning them into objects of humor/mockery. One is definitely more "creepy" than the other, but I think we're deluding ourselves if we think people go on that website and don't see those people as lesser than them, if even people at all.
 

Malvolio

Member
While I'm glad to see these people lose their anonymity and have to deal with their actions, I think this is a bit of a stretch:

But Samantha believes that CreepShots is a gateway drug to more dangerous hobbies. Fetishizing non-consent "indicates [that CreepShots posters] don't view women as people, and most will not be satisfied with just that level of violation," she said.

There is no need to imply that these people are worse predators than they already are. What they are doing is bad enough, there is no need to invent other reasons to attempt to curb this behavior.
 

UrbanRats

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Cause 4chan isn't known for having the exact same kind of photos posted often, except often underaged. Of course they aren't going to DDoS reddit, they are too busy taking down Swedish library websites in their brave war for freedom of speech and pirating!

Well to be fair, "anon" as of now is a term beyond just 4chan, but yeah, plenty of sketchy stuff on there too (as expected, really).
 
Kind of funny.

The bits trying to relate it all to sexual assault are a bit much however.

The entire thing is an over-reaction.. a funny one though.

*IMO of course
 

Yeah, this feels like overkill in some cases.
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This guy didn't even post any creepshots, he just voiced his approval and now his mug is all over the internet?
 

dokish

Banned
I don't see the problem. We all look for hot legs/asses in movies, music videos and people on the street, women or men. The only difference is that the guy take pictures and upload them on the internet. Since there's no face, why bother?

You have cameras everywhere you go nowadays.

If he has sexuality issues, is better to take photos than rape someone.
 

tfur

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Hopefully no one misidentifies anyone, or posts under another persons' identity, just to cause harm to that person. Can you imagine how someone could abuse this if they were disgruntled.

Also, it feels a bit thought crimey. Its one thing to post info and location of pedos and other criminals, but here you have someone or a group of people deciding what is or is not "creepy."
 

KingGondo

Banned
Yeah, this feels like overkill in some cases.

This guy didn't even post any creepshots, he just voiced his approval and now his mug is all over the internet?
Same principle as child porn: why should we only go after those who produce or post the content?

Without the approving audience, there wouldn't be any reason for this stuff to be posted in the first place.

I am not equating creepshots and child porn
 
Also, it feels a bit thought crimey. Its one thing to post info and location of pedos and other criminals, but here you have someone or a group of people deciding what is or is not "creepy."

Do you think that there is a conceivable situation in which the subjects of these photos would not find the fact that they were taken and presented in such a manner to be creepy?

Also, the reddit is called CreepShots. I'd say that's a pretty strong sign that even the people taking and sharing these know that what they're doing is creepy.
 
Same principle as child porn: why should we only go after those who produce or post the content?

Without the approving audience, there wouldn't be any reason for this stuff to be posted in the first place.

I am not equating creepshots and child porn

You shouldn't go after them at all, unless they are under age.
Are creepshots even illilegal?
 

KingGondo

Banned
You shouldn't go after them at all, unless they are under age. Creepshots are wrong but it's not even close to child porn.
They're not being prosecuted, just publicly embarrassed for their pervy and creepy behavior.

I'd say that's justice.

And you obviously didn't read the spoilered part of my previous post.
 

Jado

Banned
Haha this is true

You never see people in those comments/threads defending them. But as soon as they are attractive, you get every person out of the woods, "HOW DARE YOU!!! YOU SHOULD BE BEATEN!"

I've seen this all the time. Everyone has a good laugh at candid photos of the unattractive, overweight, oddly dressed, homeless, or any person who looks different or strange in any way. But attractive girls are the one contradiction and exception to the rule?
 
my bad :/

I still think naming names public is overdoing it.

But by their approval posts and posting of the pictures + always saying it's technically 'legal' for them to do it, why shouldn't they have to own up to their behavior with their real names? As I said above, if they think it's cool to do it, then they shouldn't feel any shame if they think their behavior is fine.
 

UrbanRats

Member
Same principle as child porn: why should we only go after those who produce or post the content?

Without the approving audience, there wouldn't be any reason for this stuff to be posted in the first place.

I am not equating creepshots and child porn

Because this initiative is not as regulated as a jury case against someone with CP material.
It's basically vigilante justice, and i think it's fair as long as it remains relatively tame in its execution.
Even because (as you said) as repulsive as this may be, it's not comparable to child pornography.

But by their approval posts and posting of the pictures + always saying it's technically 'legal' for them to do it, why shouldn't they have to own up to their behavior with their real names? As I said above, if they think it's cool to do it, then they shouldn't feel any shame if they think their behavior is fine.
I agree with this but only in principle.
I personally don't trust people with good intentions to mantain a levelheaded approach, if not monitored.
I think it's a cool and ironically powerful initiative, but i also think they should keep it under control.

Also, it feels a bit thought crimey. Its one thing to post info and location of pedos and other criminals, but here you have someone or a group of people deciding what is or is not "creepy."
They selfentitled the section as Creep, so.. also, i don't know how it works in the US, but i don't think they just list pedophiles, as much as Sex Offenders.
 
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Deleted member 47027

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Jezebel manages to do more to bring anti-feminists together than it does helping those in line with what they post. Thanks to them now "mansplain" is in my lexicon, but I won't use it. But it's now there.
 

KingGondo

Banned
Because this initiative is not as regulated as a jury case against someone with CP material.
It's basically vigilante justice, and i think it's fair as long as it remains relatively tame in its execution.
Even because (as you said) as repulsive as this may be, it's not comparable to child pornography.
That's fair. There's a definite difference between those who post the material and those who come across it and comment on it.

At the same time, the practice of "creepshooting" is so disgusting it's tempting to have no empathy for anyone who's involved at all.
 
Does a poster with a picture of a pair of "Anonymous" hot legs deserve to be named?

One is anonymous the other one is not. The creepshot site is overdoing it with the naming names.
Obviously there can be other cases but most pics are anonymous. I think taking creepshot are wrong but I guess it's a fetish for some people.
As long the picture is anonymous, there shouldn't be a problem since you can't relate it to someone.
 

Jobiensis

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But by their approval posts and posting of the pictures + always saying it's technically 'legal' for them to do it, why shouldn't they have to own up to their behavior with their real names? As I said above, if they think it's cool to do it, then they shouldn't feel any shame if they think their behavior is fine.

I'd feel harassed if anyone from NeoGAF contacted my employer. It has nothing to do with what I've posted or commented.
 
Which I did not know, and I have never heard, until that Jezebel article.

It's a coined phrase for something that is prevalent in some circles.

Last year, at a training conference at work, a presenter displayed a picture of a football and said something along the lines of, "Now I know some women here may not know this, but this is a football! *chuckle*"
 
Thanks to [Jezebel] now "mansplain" is in my lexicon, but I won't use it. But it's now there.

The internet has permanently etched goatse into my brain. The scaring caused by 'mansplain' doesn't really register in comparison.


I'd feel harassed if anyone from NeoGAF contacted my employer. It has nothing to do with what I've posted or commented.

Sure. Would your feelings of being harassed be justified in light of what caused the contact (i.e. your postings)?
 
I'd feel harassed if anyone from NeoGAF contacted my employer. It has nothing to do with what I've posted or commented.

I'm not entirely sure of how I feel about them being reported to their employers (unless the photos were of underage girls/boys) by other people, but I do think having their real names outed is fair. I'm not advocating anything but that, mind you. As a woman I find creepshots disgusting and I really find their approval by some people distasteful (and not helpful), but we've all seen how some internet justice goes beyond reason, so I do worry for extreme vigilante type stuff.

That said, if I personally caught a guy taking/posting creepshots of me and I had the option of reporting it to his boss/friends/family, I would (barring legal recourse), so I kind of get why these creepshot unmaskers want to do that for women who aren't aware that it's been done to them.
 
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