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Let's talk about "creepshots"

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Plywood

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Has this been mentioned yet? It's been a local phenomenon here at UGA where girls have been taking creepy pictures of unsuspecting guys and putting them on the tumblr. It's been around for a few weeks now at least. Just a small example of girls doing it to guys, just as creepy in my opinion.
http://tapthatugaguy.tumblr.com/
I'd be kind of flattered, but I have shit self-esteem so yeah. At the very least they're not taking pics of their butts, they're taking pics of their faces.
 

Jarate

Banned
if people want to know why these things exist, just ask yourself why amateur porn is so popular.

Guys want "real" things, not fake things.

And while what these people are doing are creepy, there is really nothing we can do about it. I think most people understand it's bad. I think that's also part of the appeal.
 

UrbanRats

Member
This reminds me of how news stations always show long shots of overweight people out in public.

It's not illegal if they don't add a trombone to it.
Seriously what news station do you watch?

if people want to know why these things exist, just ask yourself why amateur porn is so popular.

Guys want "real" things, not fake things.

And while what these people are doing are creepy, there is really nothing we can do about it. I think most people understand it's bad. I think that's also part of the appeal.
Amateur porn is (usually) willfully posted by the people involved in the video.
Also i personally make a distinction between thoughts/desires and actions.

I can understand all fetishes and desires in the world, the will to not act on said desires (in case they're harmful) is what separates a good from a bad person.
For example if there was a pornsite specialized in "fake creepshots" with professional models/pornstar payed for that, i wouldn't care in the slightest, after all voyeurism is a pretty big part of classic porn plots, but if you go around invading people's privacy against their will, you're in the wrong, period.
 

Zabka

Member
I'd be kind of flattered, but I have shit self-esteem so yeah. At the very least they're not taking pics of their butts, they're taking pics of their faces.

There's some definite butt shots in there.

My favorite is the guy who took a picture of himself in the mirror.
 
if people want to know why these things exist, just ask yourself why amateur porn is so popular.

Guys want "real" things, not fake things.

And while what these people are doing are creepy, there is really nothing we can do about it. I think most people understand it's bad. I think that's also part of the appeal.

Sure there is. :) We covered this before but:

Shaming those who behave like that and not celebrating such photos as well as not just shrugging it off as "boys will be boys" would be a great start.

This "Predditors" tumbler is another response to it, but I'm not sure the course it's taken has been the best thing. It's something that others are trying, though.
 

Jarate

Banned
I think the only ones saying they're great, are the ones receiving pleasure from them sexually.

You can't teach someone a sexual fetish, or remove them from it. I think they know what they're doing is morally wrong, and telling people that it's wrong might stop some people, and yeah, you can do vigilanty stuff to fight them, but there's nothing law enforcement can do because people can take photos of almost anything and try to fap to them. The sheer amount of sexual fetishes existing in the world is astounding.
 
It's not illegal if they don't add a trombone to it.
Seriously what news station do you watch?
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You've never seen this? Whenever there's a news article about obesity they typically have telephoto shots of obese people walking around shopping malls/sitting on park benches/whatever.

I actually don't have an issue with this because they always cut off their heads or don't show their faces, but then again I also don't really feel strongly one way or another regarding the existence of creepshots.
 

UrbanRats

Member
I think the only ones saying they're great, are the ones receiving pleasure from them sexually.

You can't teach someone a sexual fetish, or remove them from it. I think they know what they're doing is morally wrong, and telling people that it's wrong might stop some people, and yeah, you can do vigilanty stuff to fight them, but there's nothing law enforcement can do because people can take photos of almost anything and try to fap to them. The sheer amount of sexual fetishes existing in the world is astounding.

Again, thoughts =/= actions.

You've never seen this? Whenever there's a news article about obesity they typically have telephoto shots of obese people walking around shopping malls/sitting on park benches/whatever.

I actually don't have an issue with this because they always cut off their heads or don't show their faces, but then again I also don't really feel strongly one way or another regarding the existence of creepshots.

Maybe it's more of an American thing? I mean ofcourse when there's a news there are shot of people walking around, but it goes for any subject.
"hot summer" --> people walking in the park eating icecream.
 
^ it's stuff like that which makes me extremely vigilant of my activity online. I leave no paper trail in case anyone decides that, for example, a casual remark that a woman has a nice ass gets my real life identity added to some blacklist. Those guys probably deserve it, but i'm sure there are many out there who have been attacked for the pettiest reason.


A casual remark about a woman from one of these "creeper" photographs?
 
Somebody mentioned that Canada has a law that covers this and maybe that's something we could adopt as well, but until then these kind of guys just post with impunity.

Just Québec. The law in question isn't about photography, just there are a few rulings in that province that applies an existing privacy laws to images that are not newsworthy or otherwise in the public interest.
 
I've never seen people make such a big deal out of this topic.

Do you guys reserve the same anger to guys oggling Christina Hendricks vacation photos?

Or the endless amount of gifs and videos of Olympic athletes that recently went around?

It seems like in general the oggling of "candid" photos is extremely commonplace, and I've never seen such negativity towards the practice. Not telling anyone to not think it's disgusting, I'm just wondering where you all are all over the internet full of babe threads and other places where people regularly post or spread candid photos... and other than this thread I've truly never seen it damned to such an extent.

And it really does seem like a lot of you have been doing a whole lot of not giving a shit about candid photos in many contexts.. unless I've missed all the anger or you've just avoided the topic.. or you have some way to logic why Christina Hendricks doesn't deserve the same privacy because she's a "sex symbol", etc.
 
I wonder if any of these guys are on GAF:

Tim (Wasteofyourspace)
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24 or 25 year old Male
Jamestown, New York
Married
lives with wife’s parents
possibly currently cheating on his wife
Was in the US Navy
http://www.reddit.com/user/WasteofyourSpace

His submission to creepshots:
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Posts his name:
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Trying to have sex with coworkers:

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I've never seen people make such a big deal out of this topic.

Do you guys reserve the same anger to guys oggling Christina Hendricks vacation photos?

Or the endless amount of gifs and videos of Olympic athletes that recently went around?

It seems like in general the oggling of "candid" photos is extremely commonplace, and I've never seen such negativity towards the practice. Not telling anyone to not think it's disgusting, I'm just wondering where you all are all over the internet full of babe threads and other places where people regularly post or spread candid photos... and other than this thread I've truly never seen it damned to such an extent.

And it really does seem like a lot of you have been doing a whole lot of not giving a shit about candid photos in many contexts.. unless I've missed all the anger or you've just avoided the topic.. or you have some way to logic why Christina Hendricks doesn't deserve the same privacy because she's a "sex symbol", etc.

Pretty much what i was saying on the last page. I am kind of curious where people stand on this.
 

Dude Abides

Banned
I look forward to the defamation lawsuits that will inevitably spring up from this.

I doubt many plaintiffs will be willing to open their entire Internet history to public scrutiny just to go after some bloggers who are probably largely judgment proof.
 

Kinyou

Member
I doubt many plaintiffs will be willing to open their entire Internet history to public scrutiny just to go after some bloggers who are probably largely judgment proof.
I don't think you'd have to show your internet history to anyone, after all are they the ones who have to proof that their allegations are right.
 

mre

Golden Domers are chickenshit!!
I doubt many plaintiffs will be willing to open their entire Internet history to public scrutiny just to go after some bloggers who are probably largely judgment proof.
Many? Probably not. Cast the net wide enough, however...
 
I think the only ones saying they're great, are the ones receiving pleasure from them sexually.

You can't teach someone a sexual fetish, or remove them from it. I think they know what they're doing is morally wrong, and telling people that it's wrong might stop some people, and yeah, you can do vigilanty stuff to fight them, but there's nothing law enforcement can do because people can take photos of almost anything and try to fap to them. The sheer amount of sexual fetishes existing in the world is astounding.

If you count glancing and enjoying them as 'sexual pleasure', then sure. Plenty of people got banned in the beginning of this thread when they contributed nothing but jacknicholson gifs or 'would'-type posts, but I doubt they all cared enough to wank off to them. The degree of 'approval' for such photos varies. So when I say "not celebrating such photos" I mean those kinds of posts that seem to validate taking creeper shots. While not as bad as taking the photos themselves, they provide an encouraging audience for the guys that do, and it makes that kind of behavior seem more acceptable and even desired. That's a lower level aspect that I think should be addressed by people restraining themselves and not posting 'would' type stuff and instead maybe even explaining to those that do post the pictures that that's not cool. It's a lot to hope for, but I would love others to say something, and I think it's better than exposing their public information as others have done.

So, anyway, for the guys that take the pics, no you can't really regulate their sexual fetishes in any meaningful way, but you can at least not validate them when it comes to publicly posting unsuspecting women that they've stalked and photographed.


Just Québec. The law in question isn't about photography, just there are a few rulings in that province that applies an existing privacy laws to images that are not newsworthy or otherwise in the public interest.

Ah, I thought it was you, CD. Shame it's only in Quebec, but maybe it'd still work here in some form or another.


I've never seen people make such a big deal out of this topic.

Do you guys reserve the same anger to guys oggling Christina Hendricks vacation photos?

Or the endless amount of gifs and videos of Olympic athletes that recently went around?

It seems like in general the oggling of "candid" photos is extremely commonplace, and I've never seen such negativity towards the practice. Not telling anyone to not think it's disgusting, I'm just wondering where you all are all over the internet full of babe threads and other places where people regularly post or spread candid photos... and other than this thread I've truly never seen it damned to such an extent.

And it really does seem like a lot of you have been doing a whole lot of not giving a shit about candid photos in many contexts.. unless I've missed all the anger or you've just avoided the topic.. or you have some way to logic why Christina Hendricks doesn't deserve the same privacy because she's a "sex symbol", etc.

Well, this is the first time I've really heard of the "creeper shot" thing, and while it's maybe not as important to you, it's a practice that I'd personally like to see challenged somehow. I'm not sure the Predditors tumbler is the best way, but I think it is worthy of fighting against, even if you just do something as low-level as not comment approvingly on creeper shots in particular.

As for not charging all around the internet combatting this problem, as I said it's the first I've heard of such a thing, and I have posted in other celebrity threads (though mostly defending their right to go about without makeup). As much as I do think celebrities have traded their privacy for fame and can expect this kind of thing more than the average person, I do dislike them being hunted at every turn. So basically celebrities tacitly accept some of the attention they get by virtue of their career choice (which is generally entertaining for the public), while non-celebrity women have done nothing to invite such attentions (please don't say yoga pants). Personally I'd be all for greater privacy laws for everyone like the one CD mentioned, but I neither care for tabloid or hot girl pictures while it seems quite a bit of the population does.
 

Salacious Crumb

Junior Member
Isn't people of walmart basically the creepshots of people who post creepshots. Why is there no outrage over people of walmart anyway? You say it's because creepshots objectify women, but the walmart shots equally objectify people, they become objects of comedy.
 

Jimothy

Member
Isn't people of walmart basically the creepshots of people who post creepshots. Why is there no outrage over people of walmart anyway? You say it's because creepshots objectify women, but the walmart shots equally objectify people, they become objects of comedy.

Attractive women wearing tight clothing have more rights than ugly fat people. Duh.
 

CorvoSol

Member
Just imagine it's Batman.

Well, see, if it were Batman at least they'd be murderers or hard-core criminals and not just creeps. This, I dunno. Maybe I've just been reading too much about deterrence and how that was never a good idea and how oftentimes "fighting fire with fire" escalates a situation.

I certainly do not condone these guys and their bizarre little community, but threatening others to get your way does not sit well with me either.
 

Ooccoo

Member
Can someone explain to me something? I got banned thanks to this thread because of a Jack Nicholson gif. I'm just wondering, did I get banned because of the gif, or because it was considered spam, or just for bumping this thread? Seriously I've been on GAF for a while (longer than you might think) and unless the rules have changed posting such a gif was never bannable.
 
Can someone explain to me something? I got banned thanks to this thread because of a Jack Nicholson gif. I'm just wondering, did I get banned because of the gif, or because it was considered spam, or just for bumping this thread? Seriously I've been on GAF for a while (longer than you might think) and unless the rules have changed posting such a gif was never bannable.

Dude, just pm a mod.

The Predditors tumblr is down. :eek:

Internet detectives at war?
 

devilhawk

Member
Can someone explain to me something? I got banned thanks to this thread because of a Jack Nicholson gif. I'm just wondering, did I get banned because of the gif, or because it was considered spam, or just for bumping this thread? Seriously I've been on GAF for a while (longer than you might think) and unless the rules have changed posting such a gif was never bannable.

I'd say it was a little bit of poor taste, little bit of lacking a post of substance, and a little bit of wrong thread at the wrong time.
 

Veezy

que?
Reddit are very sad about "prominent member" (Violentacrez) behind r/jailbait r/creepshots and r/rapingwomen deleting his account

I seriously need a Redditor to explain to me why posting pics of a childs vulva in tight shorts is cool but doxxing the guy behind it isn't?

My favorite part of that is discovering that there's a reddit for incest.

So, jailbait pages, rape pages, creep shots, incest.

I get the whole "reddit for anything no matter what because free speech this is the internet yadda yadda..." but, you can draw a fucking line somewhere.
 
Isn't people of walmart basically the creepshots of people who post creepshots. Why is there no outrage over people of walmart anyway? You say it's because creepshots objectify women, but the walmart shots equally objectify people, they become objects of comedy.


The objectification of people for the amusement of others is always something that is talked about / outraged over.

I don't know if people are being disingenuous when they pick a very specific website/tv show/joke/comedian as a way of showing double standards but currently there are people in universities, schools, governments, post offices, everywhere discussing:

The objectification of people for the amusement of others

The objectification of people for the sexual gratification of others

The objectification of people for the financial gain of others

The objectification of people for the political advancement of others

The objectification of people for the empowerment of others

in some form or other.
 

Nesotenso

Member
Reddit are very sad about "prominent member" (Violentacrez) behind r/jailbait r/creepshots and r/rapingwomen deleting his account

I seriously need a Redditor to explain to me why posting pics of a childs vulva in tight shorts is cool but doxxing the guy behind it isn't?

I don't frequent reddit and I don't get how it works completely but WTF at those sub-forums.

rape ? jailbait ? how do you even volunteer to moderate stuff like that and more importantly what the hell are people (and kind of people) are posting there ?
 

Opiate

Member
I find people's behavior when allowed to act anonymously enormously telling: it reveals how you behave when you can "get away with it."

It is apparent that many people only respect and are considerate of others because they are afraid of being either jailed (if there is illegal activity) or cast out of their social circles (for being a jerk).

I feel that real kindness -- that is, what makes a person genuinely nice -- is an act done with no real expectation of compensation in return. Most friendships do not work like this: paying for your friend's gas now may help down the line when he does the same for you. Not cheating on your girlfriend makes it much less likely that she will cheat on you (is it even "cheating" at that point?) Being cruel to your mother and father jeopardizes the possibility for assistance or shelter if you should ever need it, and can also threaten any inheritance if there it exists.

Most friendships and family relationships have implicit social contracts which provide strong incentive to continue to be nice. Being nice to strangers who you never expect to return the favor is far more telling than how you treat those you believe may eventually repay you.
 

Fjolle

Member
How the fuck are gawker upset about candid pictures?
I thought that they lived off that and turning off monitors at E3 conferences?
 
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