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LTTPewPewPew: Max Payne 3....also spoilers

sn00zer

Member
Without a doubt the best third person shooter this gen. /thread

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I kid, but seriously this game was fantastic. First off, I had heard this game was a poor excuse for a Max Payne game, which is imo ridiculous. I miss the comic book cutscenes for sure, but the game had the proper amount of noir and broading exaggerated dialogue. Max's character I think met the only logical conclusion, Mona is dead, his wife and child are dead, his firends are dead so being an aging tramp who is addicted to drink and painkillers seemed like the only way he could have ended up.

The story set up is also incredibly interesting. Max has been picked up from the rotting streets of his home town and placed into the lap of luxury, cruising and boozing in pristine towers, a wonderful clash with the previous games that end in these towers instead of starting in them.The game then dives back into the streets, but now its Brazil, which is far more dangerous than New Jersey, it was a great setting in keeping with the theme of the previous games in a new setting. Arguably he's worse off now when he's tried to turn his life around. And one thing I loved and rarely see in games is that Max loses...a lot. He is constantly defeated and beat down, he is often wrong, and incompetent. I hate always winning in games, the story always working out in the end, and you saving everyone, not in Max Payne. In Max Payne you dont save the girl, you cant protect her husband or brother, and shit is fucked, and guess what, everyone dies. It wonderfully original compared to most games Ive played.

Oh the gameplay...fantastic. Arguably Max Payne 1 and 2 are the same gameplay, just sort of running and gunning, and to do it a third time just seemed cheap. Some would (will) argue that the cover based combat was just going with trends. But I think it fits the series perfectly, max is old, he's not running around backflip and jumping forward (in this game they seem to have a subtle animation of him heaving forward instead of jumping). And while "Oh no cover based shooting", they knocked it out of the god damn park. It is the best cover based shooting Ive ever played. Enemy placement is great, and each environment is perfectly set up to look realistic while still throwing in enough high chest walls and column to keep the gameplay fun. Nice amounts of destruction and the world really looks like hit went down at the end of a firefight. Weight is perfect, and the soft lock feels great, still requiring a large amount of skill to pull off headshots. And there are some key times in which they hearken back to past gameplay where cover placement requires you to run headlong into groups of enemies in bullet time pulling off precision shots as you watch your health and ammo whittle away.

All in all fantastic game. And while it gets somewhat repetitive, a lot of games should take a long look at Max Payne 3 when developing shooting mechanics and scenarios, because it is the purest form of TPS, and it kicks just about every other TPS game in the ass.

EDIT: Oh yeah soundtrack was crazy good as well, especially THAT scene at the end.
 
I loved it as well. Probably the best shooting mechanics all generation in my opinion. I even really liked the narrative, not so much the actual story but the way it is structured and how it tells itself.
 

GQman2121

Banned
I stopped at the football stadium. I just couldn't get into the story and the repetitive gameplay didn't grab me at all. The cutscenes were also super jarring.
 

udiie

Member
I stopped at the football stadium. I just couldn't get into the story and the repetitive gameplay didn't grab me at all. The cutscenes were also super jarring.
Played the first two? If not I'd say pick those up for pennies and give them a try. Story is better IMO, might be able to hook you despite the very similar gameplay
 

GQman2121

Banned
Played the first two? If not I'd say pick those up for pennies and give them a try. Story is better IMO, might be able to hook you despite the very similar gameplay

Yes, played both and enjoyed them. I'm not entirely sure why this one just didn't hold my attention.
 

Arttemis

Member
Agreed!!! My only complaint with MP3 is how, when replaying the levels to enjoy the gunplay, the continuously drip-fed story elements hamper the pacing and lead to stop and go feeling. It's still really fun, and the first time through, it was an edge-of-your-seat ordeal the entire time, but it just seems too slow when I want a leisurely shoot bang.
 
Incredible game, one of my favorites from last gen.

When it first came out I think I played for at least a few hours a day for a month, even the online was really fun although kinda broken. But the single player is just incredible, great story telling, great dialogue, amazing music, incredible gameplay and mechanics.

I was planning on getting platinum, and I did but beating the game on hardcore was crazy, super fun but also so stressful. The first time I made it to the
last boss with the grenade launcher
I was so excited I messed up. The second time I was so nervous my heart was pounding and I was shaking so I had to pause and get my composure back, haha. I think it took 7-8 attempts to beat it in one sitting, every time I died it was always my fault but once when it froze on me but it was in the third chapter so it wasn't a big deal. But by then I knew the game in and out, exactly where enemies would spawn, how many, what guns they would have etc.

Great game.
 

KDC720

Member
Loved it. The story might not have been as good as the Remedy games, but Rockstar did a fantastic job with the gameplay. This and Vanquish are the best third person shooters of last gen.
 
Great gameplay mechanics dragged down by some bad level design, unskippable cutscenes (masked loading, I know) and AWFUL writing.

At least the PC version eased the loading/cutscenes.
With better level design, it could have been a true successor to the original games, even with the butchered writing/story.
 
I agree with you. I loved it.

I will admit the cut scenes got annoying then 2nd time around (didn't mind them the first time as I was interested in the story) but on parts where I died and had to restart the level/checkpoint the fact they are basically unskippable did get annoying.

I only encountered one major bug (fell through a level, restart checkpoint still spawned me under the world. Restart level fixed it.) Other than that the PC version was fucking fantastic and ran great. Gives me hope for GTA V PC.

I can't comment on the Multiplayer as I played a grand total of about 5 minutes of it.
 

KalBalboa

Banned
I disagree with you on just about everything, but especially the cover placement, because it is easily the best Ive ever seen. You couldnt just switch from wall to wall, you had to run out of cover to get better placement.

Or go into slow month, run out, and dive into cover. Shooter bliss.

Love love love this game.
 

Assanova

Member
I stopped at the football stadium. I just couldn't get into the story and the repetitive gameplay didn't grab me at all. The cutscenes were also super jarring.

This is exactly where I stopped, and for the exact same reasons. Maybe I am missing something?
 
The only thing I didn't like is (1) Load times and (2) Forced walking scenes.

Both kill the tension and hurt replay-ability.
 
I think it was under-appreciated. It definitely had great gun-porn. Slow-mo with the shell casings flying out all over . . . awesome.

I wonder if the Max Payne IP is dead. The game did OK but it disappointed in sales. It is too bad the multiplayer didn't catch on.
 
It really is great. Just good damn gameplay and a good story told fantastically.. Seeing these forums go nuts over games like bioshock with garbage game play and stupid story and then shit all over Max Payne blows my mind.
 

sn00zer

Member
This is exactly where I stopped, and for the exact same reasons. Maybe I am missing something?
The stadium is my least favorite level...i didnt mind it, but compared to later levels its not so great, I would get through that level, and play through a bit more before putting it down again.
 
Really really great game. The story wasn't great but it gave proper context, the shooting and overall feel were just sublime perfection. That last airport level with the music was just incredible.

I wouldn't mind a Max Payne 4, no way.
 

Big_Al

Unconfirmed Member
Gameplay was pretty amazing if not a bit wonky at times with the controls.

Story was complete shit and a disgrace to the MP franchise. I posted my blog post about this in the last thread about the game and I'll repost it again, it basically lays out why the story is such crap:

http://gameonce-over.blogspot.com/2013/08/not-for-remption-everything-wrong-with.html

You post this link in every Max Payne thread acting as if it's a definitive take on Max Paynes story and character and what is and isn't wrong with it. It isn't.

Max Payne 3s story was great IMO, especially Max Paynes character arc which was quite frankly a lot more interesting than his character from 1 and 2.
 

Robot Pants

Member
This game is pretty top tier. My favorite Rockstar Game last gen and probably to date.
Just knocked it out of the park.
 

foxtrot3d

Banned
You post this link in every Max Payne thread acting as if it's a definitive take on Max Paynes story and what is and isn't wrong with it. It isn't.

Max Payne 3s story was great, especially Max Paynes character arc which was quite frankly a lot more interesting than his character from 1 and 2.

Gonna disagree with you there, big time.
 

Fjordson

Member
Well yeah it's obvious that you do :p
Think you're spot on. Max as a character in 3 was infinitely more interesting than anything Remedy did with him in the first two games.

I might take the plot and the villains of the first two over the plot and villains of 3, but Max and his journey in 3 were great.
 

Evolved1

make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
This game would have been 100% better if:

  • You could skip the fucking cutscenes
  • Shoot-dodge/bullet-time didn't disengage upon collision.

That second one especially, was a huge mistake imo that made the game feel way more janky than it really was.

Edit: Actually one more major issue I had with the game is really shitty analog settings. Too much acceleration or something, I was constantly fighting the analog. And of course no way to change any of the settings since we console gamers are apparently too dumb to move more than one slider.
 

Erban1

Member
Awesome game, I'd kill for a Ps4 port. Probably my favorite gunplay ever, though OP I wouldn't recommend playing this as a cover based shooter, it's tight enough that run and gun tactics are viable and extremely rewarding
 

Bandit1

Member
Loved the gameplay, shooting mechanics and shoot-dodging were perfect. Soundtrack was awesome.

But I felt the story and Max's character were off. Max swears significantly more than he did under Sam Lake's writing, I know some attribute it to his deteriorated state, but it's still jarring compared to the first two games. In one instance he talks about "banging waitresses" and then later says that he hopes Serrano, the man who executed Fabiana right in front of him, made it out of the Imperial Palace Hotel after Max demolished it with C4. Way out of character. Pretty much agree with Foxtrot's article.

I think Rockstar missed an opportunity with MP2 spoilers
Winterson's son. After Max kills Winterson he listens to a voicemail she left for Vlad and she says, "They haven't seen you with my boy." It never implies an age, so he could be, say 12-13, fast forward to when MP3 is released, he's 21-22 and comes after Max for revenge, somewhat similar to Max's motivation in the first game.

Still put the game in at least once a month because the gameplay is so good.
Dem slow mo dives...
 

Kevtones

Member
Probably took 3 hours to get bored.


Insufferable storytelling.
Monotonous fights.
Annoying environments.
Nice audio (I was stoked to make out with a girl that made out with a member of HEALTH)


Felt soulless but then again the other Max Payne games were mostly OTPs.
 

Grisby

Member
I want to replay it soon. I thought it was just alright, with my huge negetives being a reliance on cover and headache inducing cutscenes.

Hell of a looker though. And there were some fun dodge fighting and crazy set piece stuff.
 

DeaviL

Banned
I tried to play Max Payne 2 after this but became so bored i had to stop, gameplay wise this one's just better.
Storytelling wise, i liked the old way better.
 
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