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Media Marvel Cinematic Universe |OT4| Love You $22 Billion

sol_bad

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Phase 4

WandaVision: C
The Falcon And The Winter Soldier: D
Black Widow: F
Loki: B+
What if?: B-
Shang-Chi: B
Eternals: B+

I prefer a 5 star system. For myself it would be.

WandaVision: 4.5 stars
The Falcon And The Winter Soldier: 3.5 stars
Black Widow: 3.5 stars
Loki: 4 stars
What if?: 3 stars
Shang-Chi: 4.5 stars
Eternals: 4 stars

I want to go and watch Eternals again some time soon.
 

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WandaVision: 8. Great concept, pretty good cast, but the final few episodes could have been executed a bit better.
Falcon & Winter Soldier: 8.5 Started off slow, but slowly built up and went through the finish line with style. Final episode was the best
Black Widow: 7. Should have come out in 2016. But still some fun, Yelena and Alexei were the MVPs.
Loki: 7.5 Awesome design of the headquarters, some cool concepts, and Tom Hiddleston and Owen Wilson played off each other perfectly. Great setup for what is likely the next MCU major threat. But the pace could be a bit too slow at times, and I didn’t find Sylvie that interesting
Haven’t watched What If yet
Shang-Chi: 8. Excellent antagonist, some cool fights, and Awkwafina was great. But I did feel Simu Liu could have been more expressive, and his sister felt under utilized.
Eternals: 7.5 Most of the characters were fun particularly Kingo, and my god the cinematography was solid. But some characters barely had an arc, and the main Deviant villain was a cool idea that went nowhere even though I did like the actual final antagonist and the fight against him. Also didn’t care for the cliffhanger, ending IW on a cliffhanger worked because we knew that cast so well by that point, here it felt too much too soon.
 

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WandaVision: 8. Great concept, pretty good cast, but the final few episodes could have been executed a bit better.
Falcon & Winter Soldier: 8.5 Started off slow, but slowly built up and went through the finish line with style. Final episode was the best
Black Widow: 7. Should have come out in 2016. But still some fun, Yelena and Alexei were the MVPs.
Loki: 7.5 Awesome design of the headquarters, some cool concepts, and Tom Hiddleston and Owen Wilson played off each other perfectly. Great setup for what is likely the next MCU major threat. But the pace could be a bit too slow at times, and I didn’t find Sylvie that interesting
Haven’t watched What If yet
Shang-Chi: 8. Excellent antagonist, some cool fights, and Awkwafina was great. But I did feel Simu Liu could have been more expressive, and his sister felt under utilized.
Eternals: 7.5 Most of the characters were fun particularly Kingo, and my god the cinematography was solid. But some characters barely had an arc, and the main Deviant villain was a cool idea that went nowhere even though I did like the actual final antagonist and the fight against him. Also didn’t care for the cliffhanger, ending IW on a cliffhanger worked because we knew that cast so well by that point, here it felt too much too soon.

I really hope they pick up the Deviant story thread in a future film. Like the Eternals come across a planet where the Deviants have beaten the Eternals of that planet and are fully humanoid like their comic counterparts. I don't know where the story thread will lead but I won't believe that the Deviant plot thread gets dropped like a rock like that.
 

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Affleck you were the bomb in Daredevil, yo!

Marvel Studios Reaction GIF by Disney+
 

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I know it's a bad film but I still enjoy Darefleck.

There are people at Marvel Studios who do as well and would like an opportunity to take a peek back into that universe one last time to close the door on that version of Murdock if there were such a movie where such a thing is possible and if the actor would be willing to sign on for a one or two minute cameo (he probably wouldn't though).
 
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I really hope they pick up the Deviant story thread in a future film. Like the Eternals come across a planet where the Deviants have beaten the Eternals of that planet and are fully humanoid like their comic counterparts. I don't know where the story thread will lead but I won't believe that the Deviant plot thread gets dropped like a rock like that.

One of the few problems I had with Eternals is that the Deviants were generic looking
 
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I may be the only person that's ready for mutants now. I know we need to wait for the stench from Fox to go away but the last good movies were Deadpool in 2018, Logan in 2017, and even though it is heavily flawed, DOFP in 2014. Can't believe we gotta pay for the sins of Sansa Stark's Dark Phoenix and Arya Stark's New Mutant. Mutants as a whole is the most interesting lore in comics IMO and has a very deep bench. We need Disney+ and theatrical releases. R rated on some of these properties too (Imagine Logan being PG-13, wth). Claremont has the right idea in making the X-Men a TV show for the most part that leads up to a movie or movie trilogy. Basically do what they didn't do for Eternals.

Hell they could have shows on Brotherhood, Hellions, Hellfire Club, Morlocks, etc to set up the antagonists too. I don't know why Feige and Marvel Studios are so against the idea of TV shows/movies about villains and anti heroes. I guess Agatha can be seen as the first one which is good. Joker and Venom proved people want those. Who wouldn't want a Magneto project? Apocalypse? Dr. Doom? Hell give me a show telling me about Mystique, Sabretooth, Omega Red, Mr. Sinister, etc Any of those sound 1000x more interesting than Echo. Matter of fact Echo does not sound interesting at all. What's the point of that show? Give me a Kingpin show instead.

Anyways enough ranting.

Phase 4

WandaVision: C
The Falcon And The Winter Soldier: D
Black Widow: F
Loki: B+
What if?: B-
Shang-Chi: B
Eternals: B+

I prefer a 5 star system. For myself it would be.

WandaVision: 4.5 stars
The Falcon And The Winter Soldier: 3.5 stars
Black Widow: 3.5 stars
Loki: 4 stars
What if?: 3 stars
Shang-Chi: 4.5 stars
Eternals: 4 stars

I want to go and watch Eternals again some time soon.

I'll use a binary point system to differentiate. It's either 1 for Like or 0 for Dislike.

WandaVision: 1
The Falcon And The Winter Soldier: 0
Black Widow: 0
Loki: 1
What if?: 1
Shang-Chi: 1
Eternals: 0
Hawkeye: 1
Spider-Man NWH: 1
 

sol_bad

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I saw the first episode and wasn't impressed. Should I go back?

It steadily improves imo. Keep in mind I'm a massive MCU fan.
Episode 1 and 2 were entertaining but nothing amazing.
Episode 3 changed director and substantially improved, great action scene.
Episode 4 wasn't quite as good but still far better than episode 1 and 2.
Episode 5 was also great, lots of emotional beats.

Great interactions between Kate and Clint. I think it's my second favourite MCU show at this point.

WandaVision > Hawkeye > Falcon and the Winter Soldier > Loki

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And I know I rated Loki higher than FatWS just above but upon further reflection I like FatWS more than Loki.
 
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Phase 4

WandaVision: C
The Falcon And The Winter Soldier: D
Black Widow: F
Loki: B+
What If?: C
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings: B
Eternals: B+
Hawkeye: B+
Spider-Man No Way Home: D

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Phase 4 on a scale of Tank Girl or Not Tank Girl:

WandaVision: Not Tank Girl
The Falcon And The Winter Soldier: Not Tank Girl
Black Widow: Not Tank Girl
Loki: Not Tank Girl
What If?: Not Tank Girl
Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings: Not Tank Girl
Eternals: Not Tank Girl
Hawkeye: Not Tank Girl
Spider-Man No Way Home: Not Tank Girl
 
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Several days ago I saw a comment somewhere (Twitter, I think?) that said that the turning point for the MCU was Joss Whedon's directing Avengers 1: Before Whedon the directors were veteran film people and then Whedon marks a change to TV-first and/or relatively inexperienced people (obviously this is a broad generalization). And then a few days after this, I rewatched Inglorious Basterds (one of the best movies since 2000, imo) and got to thinking about a comment by Tarantino on a podcast about how he only has one camera on set and plans out all of the shots before they start filming, etc. And between these two things I got this brain worm about the differences between film and TV and the choices directors make.

So all of this has led me to rewatching the MCU, paying close attention to stylistic choices that affect the visuals. Right now I'm on Thor: The Dark World and I can definitely see a difference between Whedon and the rest, esp. with lighting. I suspect that, in terms of cinematography, things are about to take a downward plunge, but we'll see. I've been tinkering with a tier list just for visuals and photography, which I'll probably post here when I get done.
 
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Several days ago I saw a comment somewhere (Twitter, I think?) that said that the turning point for the MCU was Joss Whedon's directing Avengers 1: Before Whedon the directors were veteran film people and then Whedon marks a change to TV-first and/or relatively inexperienced people (obviously this is a broad generalization). And then a few days after this, I rewatched Inglorious Basterds (one of the best movies since 2000, imo) and got to thinking about a comment by Tarantino on a podcast about how he only has one camera on set and plans out all of the shots before they start filming, etc. And between these two things I got this brain worm about the differences between film and TV and the choices directors make.

So all of this has led me to rewatching the MCU, paying close attention to stylistic choices that affect the visuals. Right now I'm on Thor: The Dark World and I can definitely see a difference between Whedon and the rest, esp. with lighting. I suspect that, in terms of cinematography, things are about to take a downward plunge, but we'll see. I've been tinkering with a tier list just for visuals and photography, which I'll probably post here when I get done.

Not really true in my experience. Captain America 2 and 3 (and Avengers IW and Endgame by the same directors) were far better directed than Cap 1 which was competently directed but nothing stood out IMHO. The Guardians of the Galaxy films were done by James Gunn who is a great director. Black Panther’s director Ryan Coogler had directed the well loved first Creed film.

Now some of the other directors might feel like odd choices given their prior filmography but I mean I’m not really sure how one “earns” the right to direct a blockbuster. Yeah, it could not work out, but taking a chance on smaller talent can pay off (Peter Jackson had never directed anything on the scale of Lord of the Rings when he got the job, hell the New Line president briefly panicked after he gave Jackson the green light and only looked into his prior work afterwards, but once he visited the set his fears were calmed down). And honestly even in the films where the directing is merely competent the films usually overcome this with likable characters and such. Hell, a good director might not matter, Eternals was very well directed with gorgeous cinematography, but the script couldn’t exactly balance so many new characters so quite a few felt underdeveloped.

Also, I feel like we’re way past the point of dismissing TV directors as “lesser”. Breaking Bad’s Vince Gilligan put a TON of thought into the show if you look in the behind the scenes. The final 8 minutes of True Detective Season 1 involved a one-shot many film directors probably wouldn’t dare to attempt. Sure, there’s plenty of average or meh directors in TV, but that’s true for any medium. Sorry, you may not have meant to imply TV directors aren’t as good but just in case.

Also Whedon had done Serenity and Cabin in the Woods before he directed Avengers so he wasn’t new to film.
 

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It steadily improves imo. Keep in mind I'm a massive MCU fan.
Episode 1 and 2 were entertaining but nothing amazing.
Episode 3 changed director and substantially improved, great action scene.
Episode 4 wasn't quite as good but still far better than episode 1 and 2.
Episode 5 was also great, lots of emotional beats.

Great interactions between Kate and Clint. I think it's my second favourite MCU show at this point.

WandaVision > Hawkeye > Falcon and the Winter Soldier > Loki

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And I know I rated Loki higher than FatWS just above but upon further reflection I like FatWS more than Loki.
Ended up finishing it. It was pretty good! I think the villain was under used though
 
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Ended up finishing it. It was pretty good! I think the villain was under used though

The last episode wasn't as good as the previous 3, I mentioned it in the Hawkeye thread but I think it's a director issue. Still a very fun show but it dropped to number 3 for my MCU shows.

WandaVision > Falcon and the Winter Soldier > Hawkeye > Loki
 

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I finished Hawkeye last night. Usually I just take it for what it is and enjoy the ride, but that last episode palmed things into my face so that they couldn’t be ignored, and it brought it down.
Like Yelena vs Kate, where Kate was as successful as the script needed her to be. In the lift? Kate had no chance, instant parries. Going through the rooms? Kate somehow is on par with a Black Widow because she needed to be to set up the joke that came after. It’s egregious plot armour stuff. Then there was the police officers putting on their LARP uniforms like it gave them more confidence. I know that was supposed to be funny, but it was too silly for me.

The episode was balanced out by Kingpin, but it was a very short look at him. Underused. I hope we get more in the future.

All in all, it was fine. At times Kate was funny, at other times not so much. A bit hit and miss.

WandaVision - enjoyed
Loki - enjoyed, but less than Wanda
Falcon - at its best when it was the Zemo show
Hawkeye - better tone than the previous, but feels unfinished

I plan to see Spider-Man next week. Kids should be back at school so I can go in the day when it’s quiet.
 
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