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[DeepEnigma]

lul yes...

get a used RTX 2060ti, get a cheap CPU, like a 9th gen i5 or a Ryzen 1600, get some decent DDR4 ram and a 500GB SSD.

if you are looking for good prices online you can get that together with a cheap case and a cheap power supply for around 500 bucks, maybe +/- $50

PS5 is $400 entry for the exact same performance as the $500 4K BluRay player edition. We've been over this.

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

Eh, not quite

Same engine, but used in entirelly different ways

Ratchet as a full blown PS5 game stresses the engine much more than Spider-man

^this
And IF it comes to PC I guarantee it will have higher requirements.

 

[01011001]

This you?




I can assure you based on Insomniac's GDC talks about their engine, that R&C is pushing their streaming engine further than what they did with Spider-Man.

the quote you use are completely irrelevant here as we know the engine and now know how the engine runs on an open platform.
also loading from an SSD is not something hard to do you know, especially on a PC where you have a lot more memory than on PS5, which can be used to stream stuff more easily.

 

[Hugare]

it's not using anything special, and it also is not open world... the more constrained design alone will make it less resource hungry in many scenes compared to Spider-Man

Not using anything special?

Dude, it won Digital Foundry's Best Graphics of last year

Its a generational leap compared to Spider-man (even the Remaster). Watch their analysis to understand why.

Sure its not open world, but that doesnt mean that it's less "resource hungry" than Spider-man

 

[01011001]

PS5 is $400 entry for the exact same performance as the $500 4K BluRay player edition. We've been over this.

the discless one is super rare tho as it is apparently almost not produced.
I know a guy that works in a Media Markt, a german electronic retailer, and he said they usually get 1 discless version for every 20 disc versions.

 

[Bernd Lauert]

the discless one is super rare tho as it is apparently almost not produced.
I know a guy that works in a Media Markt, a german electronic retailer, and he said they usually get 1 discless version for every 20 disc versions.

Yep, the DE is mostly for marketing purposes.

 

[tmlDan]

lul yes...

get a used RTX 2060ti, get a cheap CPU, like a 9th gen i5 or a Ryzen 1600, get some decent DDR4 ram and a 500GB SSD.

if you are looking for good prices online you can get that together with a cheap case and a cheap power supply for around 500 bucks, maybe +/- $50

Do you have monitor? a keyboard? headphones or speakers? A used 2060 is $200 or more.

Even then what you're saying is almost impossible.

Really splitting hairs with that joke of a take.

 

[DeepEnigma]

the quote you use are completely irrelevant here as we know the engine and now know how the engine runs on an open platform.
also loading from an SSD is not something hard to do you know, especially on a PC where you have a lot more memory than on PS5, which can be used to stream stuff more easily.

Nah. It's you picking and choosing when you want to whip out the "are you a developer card."

I am going off of their past GDC talks, what they said leading up to R&Cs launch, and tech sites that broke it down.

the discless one is super rare tho as it is apparently almost not produced.
I know a guy that works in a Media Markt, a german electronic retailer, and he said they usually get 1 discless version for every 20 disc versions.

Doesn't matter. Highest end PCs are also super rare though, yet here we are, gushing over them in here.

$400 is still the entry price, and every time Sony has a drop on their own store, you can get a DE. I easily did.

 

[01011001]

Not using anything special?

Dude, it won Digital Foundry's Best Graphics of last year

Its a generational leap compared to Spider-man (even the Remaster). Watch their analysis to understand why.

Sure its not open world, but that doesnt mean that it's less "resource hungry" than Spider-man

I said in some scenes it will be.
also comparing open world game graphics to linear game graphics is always really damn useless to do.
unless we have both games on PC we can't be sure how much more demanding it is.

my bet would be it will not be much more demanding at all. maybe in some ways but also less demanding in others.

the CPU will most likely be less taxed in a linear game for example

 

[solidus12]

If this game doesn’t sell millions, Sony should abandon their pc initiative and focus on PlayStation exclusives.

 

[01011001]

Do you have monitor? a keyboard? headphones or speakers? A used 2060 is $200 or more.

Even then what you're saying is almost impossible.

Really splitting hairs with that joke of a take.

do you have a TV? also why do you need headphones or speakers? most new PC monitors have speakers, and you can connect any PC to any TV

what a joke of a take you have there... I think you are projecting

 

[CrustyBritches]

Looking forward to picking this up for Steam Deck. Didn't realize they have FSR 2.0 included in addition to DLSS. FSR 2.0 tends to have artifacts in high motion scenes, so Quality setting and maybe Balanced will be the only options since Performance and Ultra Performance will look like shit. There's always the built-in Steam Deck FSR option, too. That might be preferrable since there's a lot of high-speed motion in this game.

 

[OmegaSupreme]

Sweet. I'll probably main it on my desktop so I can crank up the settings.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sweet. I'll probably main it on my desktop so I can crank up the settings.

That, and the mods are going to be glorious in this one.

 

[scydrex]

a conservatively put together $500 PC using a mix of 2016 and 2018 hardware vs a $500 console using 2019 hardware

spoiler the PC would win

Comparing a new console vs used parts? Build a $500 pc with new parts that's more fair. Also remember the PS5 DE is $400.

 

[Tomi]

If this game doesn’t sell millions, Sony should abandon their pc initiative and focus on PlayStation exclusives.

Cost to make this port is probably beaten,so free money all around for Sony

 

[clarky]

Regretting not getting a steam deck when i had the chance right now.......

 

[Samrf89]

art is so dead lol.

 

[Guilty_AI]

art is so dead lol.

 

[BigbyTheSheriff]

 

[Chiggs]

NYC needs a police state with the current issues in that city.

 

[Shakka43]

a conservatively put together $500 PC using a mix of 2016 and 2018 hardware vs a $500 console using 2019 hardware

spoiler the PC would win

System Builder

pcpartpicker.com

 

[ClosBSAS]

If this game doesn’t sell millions, Sony should abandon their pc initiative and focus on PlayStation exclusives.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA...joke post? right?....right? its not going to sell a million, itll reach that in a month, but it wont sell as much....sony is in it for the long haul, money will keep coming in for this game 10 years down the road.

 

[A.Romero]

Glad to see it's doing well. One of my favourite PS4 games, the only game I have platinumed so far. Also played it again on PS5.

I rather wait for the sequel than playing it one more time on PC but I might get it once it gets triple dipping price.

It will be the best sold Playstation exclusive on PC so far. No doubt about it.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

$400 is still the entry price, and every time Sony has a drop on their own store, you can get a DE. I easily did.

Good for you. That doesn't exist in the country I live in. World wide forum remember.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

the discless one is super rare tho as it is apparently almost not produced.
I know a guy that works in a Media Markt, a german electronic retailer, and he said they usually get 1 discless version for every 20 disc versions.

Every time I see discless I read it in my head as dickless, I'm so immature.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

here's a comparison of the RT settings, PS5 VS max PC tho,

glad to see that assets in reflections don't look like PS2 quality anymore on PC

I wasn't gonna buy it but the improvements got me thinking I'll grab it on sale during a gaming drought. Seeing the side by side really makes the ray tracing look like absolute shit on console. But most were saying neither console would be outfitted to properly handle full ray tracing and it shows here.

Not a shocker it looks better on PC though being it's much more expensive hardware, but that's also why people choose to potentially make that their main platform, for the best experience when playing games, especially when it's their main hobby.

If the game on the left is satisfactory to you more power to you, I played it at launch on my PS4 Pro, now I'll play it proper on my PC.

 

[RoboFu]

Are those review sites listed supposed to be mainstream?

here's a comparison of the RT settings, PS5 VS max PC tho,

glad to see that assets in reflections don't look like PS2 quality anymore on PC

max pc can only do tiny clouds.

 

[01011001]

I wasn't gonna buy it but the improvements got me thinking I'll grab it on sale during a gaming drought. Seeing the side by side really makes the ray tracing look like absolute shit on console. But most were saying neither console would be outfitted to properly handle full ray tracing and it shows here.

what you see here is more a limitation of the Memory not the RT capabilities of the GPU.

you can't have high detail models in memory outside and inside of reflections at all times, so Insomniac basically used LOD1 in reflections to save space... which was needed with their approach of tracing all the way to the horizon.
simplified structures also help with BVH creation, and that's also VERY memory hungry on AMD hardware and one reason why the Series S struggles with RT in many games

if you look at the reflections in Watch Dogs Legion for example, the level of detail is even higher than what you see in that PC image, but in that game's case the developers only trace for a few dozen meters or so until they use a low detail fallback method.
also a way to save memory.

so basically, if the PS5 had more memory, let's say ~20GB you'd probable be able to use the detail levels of PC max settings there too

 

[DeepEnigma]

Good for you. That doesn't exist in the country I live in. World wide forum remember.

PS5s don’t exits in your country WWW member?

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

PS5s don’t exits in your country WWW member?

Sony drops.
Edit.
Use context next time.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Sony drops.
Edit.
Use context next time.

The context is the $400 console is a real thing and does exist, just because you don’t have it, doesn’t make it any less of a reality.

But carry on arguing with whatever the hell you’re arguing about.

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

The context is the $400 console is a real thing and does exist, just because you don’t have it, doesn’t make it any less of a reality.

But carry on arguing with whatever the hell you’re arguing about.

You said they are easy to get. You are wrong. Might be easy for you where you live but this is a world wide forum and things exist outside of you

 

[DeepEnigma]

You said they are easy to get. You are wrong. Might be easy for you where you live but this is a world wide forum and things exist outside of you

No shit. I literally said, “I easily did.” I, as in me, myself and I.

 

[yamaci17]

Curious how medium RT looks like and can we go as low as on ps5. From benches i found med RT will be the way to go.

Patiently waiting for Alex DF review. [don't care about other guys doing it]

where have u find medium rt settings bench, i couldnt fnd any

max rt settings aint going to cut on 3080 and below at 4k. i 've seen some 4k+dlss perf vids where it dropped below 50s. gotta use med-high optimized rt settings. i hope there can be found a good middleground rt settings between ps5 and max settings. tho 1440p+dlss quality / balanced may give some leeway. 4k assets/lods really take its toll on performance regardless of the internal dlss resolution (as i've stated before, 4k+dlss performance can cost more rendering time than native 1440p, while looking better than the latter. probably what is happening in this situation)

also seems like even at 4k ultra max, game barely fills the 16 gb. uses around 8-9 gb but this was on a 32 gb system, so maybe it even overallocates. feels like turning off background apps, not using browser should be enough to utilize max rt settings with 16 gb ram. though i will have to try

 

[Werewolfgrandma]

No shit. I literally said, “I easily did.” I, as in me, myself and I.

But you seem to forget why you said that. Again context.

 

[Panajev2001a]

lul yes...

get a used RTX 2060ti, get a cheap CPU, like a 9th gen i5 or a Ryzen 1600, get some decent DDR4 ram and a 500GB SSD.

if you are looking for good prices online you can get that together with a cheap case and a cheap power supply for around 500 bucks, maybe +/- $50

… and if you borrow or steal a PS5 you get a great quality and even cheaper than that. Also assembly for free on that PC with used parts? Ah no…

 

[FukuDaruma]

If this game doesn’t sell millions, Sony should abandon their pc initiative and focus on PlayStation exclusives.

You wish.

 

[DeepEnigma]

But you seem to forget why you said that. Again context.

I didn’t forget shit, you’re reading far too into it. Besides, it didn’t even need to be said if he didn’t move the goalpost.

The fact remains, the entry point minimum into the PS5 is a $400 product that they make.

 

[01011001]

… and if you borrow or steal a PS5 you get a great quality and even cheaper than that. Also assembly for free on that Pc with used parts? Ah no…

assembly for free if you have basic Lego skills and a table.
takes like 15min

 

[ManaByte]

Checks bio...yup Polygon.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Checks bio...yup Polygon.

These are the same people that literally vote for the authoritarian federal surveillance state politicians.

 

[ManaByte]

These are the same people that literally vote for the authoritarian federal surveillance state politicians.

 

[MightySquirrel]

where have u find medium rt settings bench, i couldnt fnd any

max rt settings aint going to cut on 3080 and below at 4k. i 've seen some 4k+dlss perf vids where it dropped below 50s. gotta use med-high optimized rt settings. i hope there can be found a good middleground rt settings between ps5 and max settings. tho 1440p+dlss quality / balanced may give some leeway. 4k assets/lods really take its toll on performance regardless of the internal dlss resolution (as i've stated before, 4k+dlss performance can cost more rendering time than native 1440p, while looking better than the latter. probably what is happening in this situation)

also seems like even at 4k ultra max, game barely fills the 16 gb. uses around 8-9 gb but this was on a 32 gb system, so maybe it even overallocates. feels like turning off background apps, not using browser should be enough to utilize max rt settings with 16 gb ram. though i will have to try

Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered im Test - Der PC grüßt die freundliche Spinne aus der Playstation-Nachbarschaft [Update 3]

Spider-Man Remastered punktet seit jeher mit hübschen Raytracing-Reflexionen - am PC hübscher denn je.

www.pcgameshardware.de

mid page.

 

[yamaci17]

Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered im Test - Der PC grüßt die freundliche Spinne aus der Playstation-Nachbarschaft [Update 3]

Spider-Man Remastered punktet seit jeher mit hübschen Raytracing-Reflexionen - am PC hübscher denn je.

www.pcgameshardware.de

whaaat!! 3080 and 6800xt head to head at 4k with rt??
could this really be a case of specific rt optimizations made for rdna archirecture on ps5? its really interesting...

 

[MightySquirrel]

whaaat!! 3080 and 6800xt head to head at 4k with rt??
could this really be a case of specific rt optimizations made for rdna archirecture on ps5? its really interesting...

Haha my first reaction as well. maybe not utilising RT cores and will need a patch.

 

[playsaves3]

here's a comparison of the RT settings, PS5 VS max PC tho,

glad to see that assets in reflections don't look like PS2 quality anymore on PC

is the 6k thing a typo?

 

[DeepEnigma]

assembly for free if you have basic Lego skills and a table.
takes like 15min

For us, not for this guy (which is how I see the average nugamer)

 

[playsaves3]

that was the trade-off for the long drawdistane in reflections.
it was the right choice for the game but it doesn't hold up to scrutiny up close.
this is why I always cringe a bit when people say that Insomniac's RT is in some way superior to what other devs do.

the comparison that came up the most at the beginning was with Watch Dogs Legion, which also is an open world game with RT reflections.
Watch Dogs has a way lower draw distance for reflections, but the actual quality of the assets used in reflections is WAY higher than in Spider-Man,
and that was the correct choice for that specific game as well.

in Spider-Man the reflections are there so they look good while swinging through the city, high up, seeing all the skyscrapers that actually belong there being reflected.
in Watch Dogs Legion you are often right in front of a highly reflective surface, with high detail right near you, so that needs to be reflected as accurately as possible to not come across as unfaithful

Spider-Man traded detail for distance
and Watch Dogs traded distance for detail

neither is objectively better than the other, both are superior to the other in ways and worse in others

i heard its the high setting and the pc version now has the very high setting

 

[playsaves3]

That's not just "PC", it's running on the 3090, a card which is roughly 3x the power of the PS5. lol

in rt its 3x power rasterization 80%-2x