Wow, really great start there for MGS: Portable Ops and Tales of the World. Excellent. I'm glad that even with its software situation as poor as it is overall, at least some really big games are able to break through and achieve the kind of sales they should be getting... that leaves me hopeful developers will still keep pushing some good projects its way.
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Media Create Sales: 11 - 17 Dec (Nintendo shows MC its Pokemans)
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Magicpaint
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ethelred said:
Kinda like the GC eh?
Good software sales for the biggies, so the big developers will still hold on to the platform.
Pureauthor
Member
Is MGS
O more like DQH:RS or DQIX?
O more like DQH:RS or DQIX?Pureauthor
Member
Sorry, wasn't clear.
Is it a spinoff or a full-fledged sequel?
Is it a spinoff or a full-fledged sequel?
John Harker
Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
Is Zelda at 200k yet?
It's gotta be pretty close to 1mil WW at this point...
Other than that... gooooo FF6
It's gotta be pretty close to 1mil WW at this point...
Other than that... gooooo FF6
plagiarize
Banned
it's a proper MGS game as far as gameplay (though it's cutscenes are comic book style) that is set after MGS3. so it's only a spin off in the same way that RE:CV was a spin off.Pureauthor said:
Pureauthor
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Ok, thanks.
In which case I would've expected sales to be a little better.
In which case I would've expected sales to be a little better.
not so
Is Seiken Densetsu IV going to be outsold by Children of Mana?
CoM had higher launch week without benefit from big holiday software sales, and it had the sustained follow-up sales common to DS games but not to PS2 RPGs. And I realize that those are just first day sales for SD4, but considering how overshipped the game was, they're not promising.
Mithos Yggdrasill
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If Nintendo can ship enough units, I expect the Nintendo DS to break his record of 600k. I think that, likely, Nintendo has prepared a lot of units for the week before Christmas. Nothing under 500k in any case.
StopMakingSense
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Mithos Yggdrasill said:
If Nintendo could muster the supply, I would imagine they could clear way more than that in a week.
A Link to the Past
Banned
im curious why elite beat agents couldn't have sold 100,000 copies, too.
A Link to the Past
Banned
RaijinFY said:
reggie said it sold more than 120,000 copies.
Elios83 said:
I've played about 5-6 hours now, I wouldn't say the story and presentation is quite up there with the PS1/PS2-games, but it's definitely interesting enough to hold my attention. Feels like it lacks the ambition of your typical MGS game, and instead is a more by-the-books plot. But in a way, I appreciate it since I love MGS games. It's like you're right at home with the story, parts of it feels familiar while being new. Some scenes have actually sent chills down my spine for being so awesome in that particular MGS kind of way. I guess that's proof enough that managed to catch the MGS style pretty well even with comic book style cutscenes. Even though I would prefer 'real' cutscenes, the comic book style is definitely cool and manages to make things feel alive in a great way.
jesusraz
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Right, so 1000 Healthy DS Recipes managed 44,298 last week and sinobi said it's cracked 100,000 in week two, meaning a 'healthy' ~55,700 sales this time round. Not as bad a start as it may have first looked.
Perhaps it'll stick around long enough to crack 300,000-400,000. Who knows...And Cooking Navi is likely to be a Q3 2007 release in the West (if I were to guess a date following David Yarnton's basic confirmation a few months back).
Cooking Navigator UK: Cook the perfect Fish & Chips!
Perhaps it'll stick around long enough to crack 300,000-400,000. Who knows...And Cooking Navi is likely to be a Q3 2007 release in the West (if I were to guess a date following David Yarnton's basic confirmation a few months back).
Cooking Navigator UK: Cook the perfect Fish & Chips!
A Link to the Past
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RaijinFY said:
well, he said that he was disappointed because it didn't sell 300,000 copies in its first month.
one reason why i don't think it's shipped numbers is - why would he expect 300,000. i mean, it can't be that hard to set a goal and achieve it. it would make sense that he was disappointed over sell through numbers, not shipped numbers; it would just make much more sense.
A Link to the Snitch said:
The interview with Reggie was on the 6th. NPD came out the afternoon of the 7th. I was wondering at the time whether he meant actual sales or retailer orders.
I certainly want the game to sell by the truckloads, though.
Edit:
I don't think Reggie lied. I just think Reggie wasn't talking about sales to end-users.
SpoonyBard
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donny2112 said:The interview with Reggie was on the 6th. NPD came out the afternoon of the 7th. I was wondering at the time whether he meant actual sales or retailer orders.
I certainly want the game to sell by the truckloads, though.
Edit:
I don't think Reggie lied. I just think Reggie wasn't talking about sales to end-users.
The NPD numbers are estimates, not actual sales.
splattergnome
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jesusraz said:
Can somebody describe what this is? It sounds... strange.
Masklinn said:
You mean, how many Japanese between 10 and 70 don't have a DS Lite yet.
I am sure that there are enough original DS buyers who haven't managed to get their hands on a DS Lite yet (and want to buy a DSL).Moor-Angol
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Mario Kart is impressive, 15k one year after lunch means it has great legs
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
SpoonyBard said:
Given that EB, Target, Walmart et al. are not in the practice of calling Reggie on their lunchbreaks and saying "here's a list of all the product we just moved", Reggie has no way other than sales tracking to know how many units a game has sold, and NPD is the only video game sales tracking company.
Also, the estimates are statistically accurate. Even the most skeptical individual like ioi will not assert more than a 10% under/overtrack, and for Reggie's 120K number to be accurate rather than ioi's 33.5k (which is based on NPD, scaled to include Canada/Mexico, and then scaled up a little due to ioi's belief that NPD undertracks systematically), you'd have to argue that NPD somehow undertracked by 300%, which is almost certainly impossible.
Great numbers for the 360. 17k is awesome for the week after BD. You know as bad as the 360 is doing in Japan, if it can keep its numbers over 10k a week from now on, it would outsell the original Xbox's LTD in Japan in roughly 6 months. It will be interesting to see if LP will help it stay around 15k this week.
Frankfurter
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jimbo said:
The dec 11-17 week was the second or third biggest week of this whole year, so X360 obviously won't be able to sell over 10k a week for the next 6 months. It actually has a pretty good chance to come back to the ~2k per week like sales it already had for several months.
Why do you think X360 can sell more than 10k weekly from now on when it did only 17k in one of the biggest week of the year which was also the week after BD launched? And if it sells 15k this week, its not only about LP but holiday season surge in sales.jimbo said:
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Parl said:
A 300% undertrack has never happened in NPD history and will never happen. In theory it isn't impossible that the guy releasing the numbers was drunk and typed ~35 instead of 120, and in theory it isn't impossible that everyone verifying the numbers was drunk too and didn't bother to check it.
It's also in theory possible that NPD is conspiring against Nintendo and trying to artificially deflate EBA's numbers.
But without getting into the realm of complete lunacy, a 300% undertrack is impossible.
Nintendo has a special tracking program that tracks exactly what sells, when and where. They created that program in the 90ies in order to be able to give a better customer support.
If, for example, you give them your S/N for any of your hardware, they'll be able to tell you when and where you bought it. At one point, I think even Sony was sing that program to track their hardware and software sales.
If, for example, you give them your S/N for any of your hardware, they'll be able to tell you when and where you bought it. At one point, I think even Sony was sing that program to track their hardware and software sales.
The surge didn't start until last week, when Blue Dragon shipped. Sales were 4k the week before. You could argue that lots of people were putting off their purchase of a 360 until the cheap Blue Dragon bundle hit, but I think it's pretty clear that it's Blue Dragon, not the holidays, that is predominantly driving sales.starship said:
All that said, I'm expecting a crash down to single digit thousands the week after Lost Planet hits. The only question, IMO, is whether it will be down to where the 360 was before (1-3k range) or if it will be higher. I can see a 4-8k range sustained now that the library has some genuinely great Japanese games on it. Still pretty damn weak.
Edit: The 360 has sold 52k in the past two weeks. It sold another 52k in the previous 22 weeks combined. That's a surge way above seasonality.
starship said:
BELIEVE.
I dunno, sales are kind of boring right now because so many of the systems are constrained by supply. Things will get much more interesting once all the supply issues get sorted(well, for the DS, I'm not sure if they'll ever get supply issues sorted out).
Where did I talk about Blue Dragon? BD definitely caused a surge in X360 sales during its release week with ~35k sales. I just said if X360 sells 15k this week, its not about LP but holiday season effect. Just look at Xbox sales in 2002:GhaleonEB said:
02.12. - 08.12.02
Xbox 5.900
09.12. - 15.12.02
Xbox 13.400
16.12. - 22.12.02
Xbox 16.200
Its a typical surge in sales during this time of the year. Selling 15-20k is not that great some of the xbots want to represent. And fyi Xbox sales went back to 2-3k weekly in January 2003.
If X360 sells 15-20k this week, its not at all a sign that it can sell more than 10k for the next 6 months.
Also at this point its confirmed that BD had only one week effect and not more, it can't help 360 in Japan.
Galactic Fork
A little fluff between the ears never did any harm...
Stumpokapow said:
Ioi has access to NPD numbers on his own, and is allowed to post modified numbers on the internet? I thought he got his NPD numbers from here. Huh.
Deku said:
Um, sure, but again, if Nintendo's seriously going to suggest the only independent retail sales tracking company's numbers are off by a factor of 4 or something like that, that's got to call Nintendo's credibility into question... not NPD's.
People should just accept that he meant shipped and not sold.
starship said:
Let me refresh your memory.
Again, there was zero bump in sales until BD shipped. Your data supports that BD was causing a boost beyond seasonality, since the 35k and 17k are both better than the first Xbox ever surged to during the holidays.starship said:
And I'm not sure why you're breaking out all the Xbox data to begin with (which I also have) since I said I didn't expect the boost to be sustained.
We seem to agree. So why are you tossing this out:me said:
....?you said:
That means I agree about BD caused a surge in X360 sales so whats the problem?GhaleonEB said:
Also about the part after bolded one, I don't think IF X360 sells 15k this week, its about Lost Planet. IF X360 sells 30k this week then its definitely because of Lost Planet but selling 15k in the third week of December is just holiday season surge. That's what I argued about in the first place.
Again when I said BD didn't surge X360 sales? I agree that it caused a surge in X360 sales in the first week and maybe it had a little bit effect in the second week!? But thats it.
I was talking about jimbo who I did argue with in the first place. He said 17k is just awesome while its barely better than what Xbox did in the comparable week in 2002. He said if X360 sells 15k this week it means it gained momentum while Xbox sold 16,200 units in a slower week in 2002, so what momentum?
Also its good to mention the week which ends with 17th Dec. is bigger than the week which ends with 15th, so can we agree BD had little to zero effect in the second week?
Xbox in 2002 - 13,400 - week ending Dec. 15th
X360 in 2006 - 17,100 - week ending Dec. 17th