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At least it can't get much worse!
PS4 still ahead of PS3. Vita crosses 5m next week. 3DS holding. Wii U up week over week. Xbox One and PS3 are still being tracked.
Woohoo! Yeah, optimism!
Need some light to fill that pitch black hole
PS Vita hitting 5 million is pretty good all things considered. I'm glad Japan is keeping the thing alive.
It reminds me so much of the Sega Saturn, even the sales numbers are similar. Just over 5 million in Japan, bombs all over the world, totals just around 10 million sales.
Not sure how many total PS Vitas were sold WW though. Someone posted a graph other day, was it 10-12 million?
Go play Kirby.
Was wondering the same thing.
Gaiaknight
Member
we wont see big sales numbers till yo-kai watch 3 releases it seems 
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|Wk|2015.01.05|2016.01.04|
| | to | to |
| |2016.01.03|2017.01.01|
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| 1| 57.674| 60.479|
| 2| 44.229| 42.372|
| 3| 35.262| 39.677|
| 4| 36.408| 31.427|
| 5| 35.292| 27.544|
| 6| 58.745| 27.555|
| 7| 38.173| 23.892|
| 8| 36.596| 25.445|
| 9| 33.950| 28.355|
|10| 32.088| 26.545|
|11| 28.704| 26.052|
|12| 31.229| 31.099|
|13| 34.574| 29.807|
|14| 26.841| 24.115|
|15| 21.824| 19.657|
|16| 21.658| 18.261|
|17| 25.948| 25.578|
|18| 26.092| 26.242|
|19| 16.355| 17.595|
|20| 15.257| 15.406|
|21| 17.636| |
|22| 17.891| |
|23| 25.772| |
|24| 24.064| |
|25| 32.355| |
|26| 27.236| |
|27| 28.703| |
|28| 26.971| |
|29| 28.874| |
|30| 55.124| |
|31| 39.008| |
|32| 42.248| |
|33| 28.279| |
|34| 48.919| |
|35| 34.756| |
|36| 27.829| |
|37| 26.739| |
|38| 29.110| |
|39| 24.250| |
|40| 23.566| |
|41| 24.252| |
|42| 21.429| |
|43| 21.880| |
|44| 30.383| |
|45| 28.593| |
|46| 35.724| |
|47| 131.023| |
|48| 103.009| |
|49| 112.828| |
|50| 144.115| |
|51| 154.818| |
|52| 120.105| |
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| | to | to |
| |2016.01.03|2017.01.01|
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| 1| 10.803| 24.722|
| 2| 8.894| 15.398|
| 3| 7.088| 11.298|
| 4| 6.807| 8.931|
| 5| 6.517| 3.939|
| 6| 7.007| 3.933|
| 7| 6.070| 3.902|
| 8| 6.606| 5.392|
| 9| 7.379| 7.260|
|10| 7.054| 4.629|
|11| 7.595| 12.998|
|12| 6.698| 4.545|
|13| 7.486| 3.541|
|14| 6.654| 4.963|
|15| 6.324| 6.091|
|16| 7.210| 5.968|
|17| 22.898| 10.020|
|18| 11.137| 7.224|
|19| 6.428| 3.896|
|20| 7.611| 4.109|
|21| 17.713| |
|22| 21.169| |
|23| 16.413| |
|24| 14.616| |
|25| 13.166| |
|26| 12.781| |
|27| 10.780| |
|28| 11.028| |
|29| 11.257| |
|30| 11.938| |
|31| 13.007| |
|32| 16.567| |
|33| 11.302| |
|34| 11.781| |
|35| 10.232| |
|36| 20.891| |
|37| 16.033| |
|38| 18.024| |
|39| 12.843| |
|40| 11.594| |
|41| 11.658| |
|42| 9.961| |
|43| 9.127| |
|44| 9.935| |
|45| 17.921| |
|46| 14.684| |
|47| 20.256| |
|48| 32.604| |
|49| 47.890| |
|50| 79.266| |
|51| 92.801| |
|52| 53.547| |
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|Wk|2015.01.05|2016.01.04|
| | to | to |
| |2016.01.03|2017.01.01|
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| 1| 563| 293|
| 2| 300| 99|
| 3| 259| 52|
| 4| 222| 92|
| 5| 238| 286|
| 6| 191| 101|
| 7| 1.381| 162|
| 8| 703| 60|
| 9| 445| 490|
|10| 307| 77|
|11| 344| 91|
|12| 250| 55|
|13| 902| 207|
|14| 238| 212|
|15| 170| 142|
|16| 201| 101|
|17| 341| 100|
|18| 187| 60|
|19| 148| 115|
|20| 308| 72|
|21| 522| |
|22| 219| |
|23| 100| |
|24| 201| |
|25| 243| |
|26| 235| |
|27| 149| |
|28| 242| |
|29| 211| |
|30| 186| |
|31| 200| |
|32| 195| |
|33| 160| |
|34| 168| |
|35| 180| |
|36| 207| |
|37| 737| |
|38| 232| |
|39| 203| |
|40| 224| |
|41| 438| |
|42| 1.009| |
|43| 534| |
|44| 825| |
|45| 524| |
|46| 889| |
|47| 591| |
|48| 289| |
|49| 609| |
|50| 512| |
|51| 490| |
|52| 765| |
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|Wk|2015.01.05|2016.01.04|
| | to | to |
| |2016.01.03|2017.01.01|
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| 1| 19.118| 36.559|
| 2| 15.480| 25.592|
| 3| 13.793| 24.441|
| 4| 17.392| 32.557|
| 5| 18.758| 31.058|
| 6| 21.381| 27.576|
| 7| 24.737| 29.363|
| 8| 46.139| 26.502|
| 9| 33.753| 28.863|
|10| 33.826| 27.341|
|11| 46.395| 28.370|
|12| 45.446| 34.377|
|13| 26.738| 30.081|
|14| 17.885| 23.889|
|15| 15.419| 20.257|
|16| 20.112| 20.589|
|17| 19.782| 28.578|
|18| 15.992| 24.880|
|19| 11.489| 23.239|
|20| 12.096| 18.430|
|21| 12.272| |
|22| 11.763| |
|23| 10.822| |
|24| 13.850| |
|25| 14.482| |
|26| 18.171| |
|27| 15.779| |
|28| 24.266| |
|29| 17.656| |
|30| 18.740| |
|31| 14.619| |
|32| 18.503| |
|33| 14.495| |
|34| 18.539| |
|35| 54.494| |
|36| 18.555| |
|37| 8.375| |
|38| 4.071| |
|39| 46.177| |
|40| 30.349| |
|41| 25.699| |
|42| 22.801| |
|43| 22.104| |
|44| 33.442| |
|45| 27.311| |
|46| 29.052| |
|47| 26.598| |
|48| 35.782| |
|49| 38.497| |
|50| 46.749| |
|51| 53.023| |
|52| 65.427| |
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| 1| 22.327| 31.338|
| 2| 17.505| 18.202|
| 3| 15.580| 14.999|
| 4| 12.392| 45.114|
| 5| 10.573| 23.090|
| 6| 11.489| 17.104|
| 7| 35.934| 22.191|
| 8| 24.457| 17.368|
| 9| 20.378| 29.937|
|10| 20.791| 20.810|
|11| 21.562| 19.028|
|12| 27.032| 20.068|
|13| 22.256| 17.153|
|14| 18.028| 13.278|
|15| 15.059| 12.337|
|16| 16.025| 12.678|
|17| 18.435| 20.168|
|18| 17.938| 18.090|
|19| 11.124| 12.299|
|20| 11.775| 10.954|
|21| 13.046| |
|22| 11.439| |
|23| 11.363| |
|24| 12.288| |
|25| 23.954| |
|26| 14.808| |
|27| 14.245| |
|28| 13.808| |
|29| 14.485| |
|30| 13.741| |
|31| 13.337| |
|32| 18.072| |
|33| 12.159| |
|34| 12.692| |
|35| 11.708| |
|36| 9.480| |
|37| 20.210| |
|38| 19.868| |
|39| 15.998| |
|40| 15.038| |
|41| 15.242| |
|42| 13.763| |
|43| 15.173| |
|44| 13.808| |
|45| 12.501| |
|46| 12.841| |
|47| 15.390| |
|48| 22.506| |
|49| 35.909| |
|50| 53.123| |
|51| 74.330| |
|52| 64.481| |
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| 1| 8.216| 2.784|
| 2| 7.036| 1.939|
| 3| 8.600| 1.671|
| 4| 7.211| 1.993|
| 5| 6.426| 1.715|
| 6| 6.683| 1.633|
| 7| 5.810| 1.665|
| 8| 8.926| 1.493|
| 9| 7.645| 1.600|
|10| 7.221| 1.375|
|11| 6.352| 1.462|
|12| 6.652| 1.290|
|13| 5.743| 1.537|
|14| 4.221| 1.296|
|15| 4.175| 1.220|
|16| 4.248| 1.153|
|17| 3.956| 1.560|
|18| 4.351| 1.340|
|19| 2.964| 997|
|20| 2.627| 1.001|
|21| 3.069| |
|22| 2.716| |
|23| 2.633| |
|24| 2.819| |
|25| 2.761| |
|26| 3.102| |
|27| 2.979| |
|28| 2.947| |
|29| 2.956| |
|30| 2.540| |
|31| 2.567| |
|32| 3.448| |
|33| 2.549| |
|34| 2.571| |
|35| 2.817| |
|36| 2.628| |
|37| 2.411| |
|38| 2.630| |
|39| 2.088| |
|40| 1.929| |
|41| 2.105| |
|42| 1.909| |
|43| 1.931| |
|44| 1.716| |
|45| 1.751| |
|46| 1.624| |
|47| 1.643| |
|48| 1.916| |
|49| 2.434| |
|50| 2.769| |
|51| 3.994| |
|52| 4.221| |
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1*: [ALL] Software Sales 2015 <ALL> (All Publishers) {2014.12.29} (¥0) - 1.209.000 / 37.348.000
2*: [ALL] Software Sales 2016 <ALL> (All Publishers) {2016.01.04} (¥0) - * / *
2*: [ALL] Software Sales 2016 <ALL> (All Publishers) {2016.01.04} (¥0) - * / *
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| 1| 510.000| 586.000|
| 2| 399.000| 483.000|
| 3| 766.000| 582.000|
| 4| 496.000| 900.000|
| 5| 413.000| 460.000|
| 6| 694.000| 447.000|
| 7| 693.000| 703.000|
| 8| 974.000| 497.000|
| 9| 518.000| 539.000|
|10| 809.000| 526.000|
|11| 756.000| 486.000|
|12| 1.285.000| 1.146.000|
|13| 817.000| 876.000|
|14| 383.000| 455.000|
|15| 381.000| 304.000|
|16| 484.000| 404.000|
|17| 752.000| 762.000|
|18| 392.000| 480.000|
|19| 235.000| 347.000|
|20| 284.000| |
|21| 466.000| |
|22| 357.000| |
|23| 524.000| |
|24| 404.000| |
|25| 799.000| |
|26| 359.000| |
|27| 1.159.000| |
|28| 594.000| |
|29| 522.000| |
|30| 1.007.000| |
|31| 582.000| |
|32| 590.000| |
|33| 447.000| |
|34| 989.000| |
|35| 817.000| |
|36| 541.000| |
|37| 611.000| |
|38| 541.000| |
|39| 651.000| |
|40| 444.000| |
|41| 420.000| |
|42| 362.000| |
|43| 481.000| |
|44| 573.000| |
|45| 420.000| |
|46| 604.000| |
|47| 1.979.000| |
|48| 877.000| |
|49| 1.065.000| |
|50| 1.960.000| |
|51| 1.824.000| |
|52| 1.129.000| |
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Bruno MB
Member
These will be my choices for the prediction league for the month of June: Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney - Spirit of Justice, Taiko no Tatsujin: Don Don! Mystery Adventures, Story of Seasons: Cherished Friends of Three Tows and Super Robot Taisen OG: The Moon Dwellers.
Am I missing any game worth predicting for?
Am I missing any game worth predicting for?
Umbrella Corps maybe?
Mirror's Edge Catalyst
Root Letter
Minecraft: Wii U Edition
Caligula
Mario & Sonic at Rio Olympics
Zero Escape: Toki no Dilemma
That game is F2P.
kuroneko0509
Member
MH Stories is on 8th October, also amiibo.... wat
http://www.4gamer.net/games/298/G029812/20160526046/
http://www.4gamer.net/games/298/G029812/20160526046/
Mighty No. 9...... ok, ok, that was just a joke. horuhe has better suggestion than me.
***
Monster Hunter Stories out on October 8th in Japan. Will get three amiibo figures: protagonist + monster (male / female), Nabiru.
Source: http://www.4gamer.net/games/298/G029812/20160526046/
One month before Pokémon. I don't see when else they could've released the game, to be honest. And I guess the anime will start in October, then.
It´s a quite bad result, no doubt about it. Calling a practically 20m -> 5m decline a "pretty good performance" is sugar coating on a whole new level of denial. Especially considering that it even might possibly lead to no new handheld by Sony.
So if Monster Hunter X G is a thing, they'd presumably be releasing two Monster Hunter games in two months?
There's not even the slightest rumbling of something happening on that front.
I think we can pretty safely assume there isn't going to be one until proven otherwise.
There's not even the slightest rumbling of something happening on that front.
Newtype-001
Member
My Hero Bomba :/.
Not really surprised but with those shipments... ouch.
Not really surprised but with those shipments... ouch.
Could be next year too right? They have until March!
test_account
XP-39C²
He also said "all things concidered". Pretty sure he is referring to some of the earlier predictions and forecasts for the Vita that we saw in these threads. Lowest prediction i saw (it was only half serious, but still) was a question if it would be pulled from the shelfs before hitting a million units sold. A big decline from the PSP indeed, but better than what people excepted earlier on based on initial Vita sales.
At this point, I have some doubts MHXG or whatever it is comes out this Holiday, especially because Capcom probably wants Stories to have enough breathing room as the MH title for this year.
More like, considering nonsense excuses. PSV didn´t "pretty good" by any objective metric.
Monster Hunter X G could be a March release multi 3DS-NX. I doubt they release two Monster Hunter games that close to each other.
By the way, if the 3DS price cut leak is something to be trusted, October 8th sounds a good date.
Since the price cut was mentioned in a US-specific document, I'm not yet 100% convinced it will be applied in Japan as well. Europe should follow almost surely, but I'm unsure about Japan. However, if it happens, October 8th would be the best day possible for it, paired with a major release...and major amiibos.
test_account
XP-39C²
Then he probaby ment it as a subjective metric. Which objective metrics are you thinking about by the way?
The numbers are available, so its easy to compare the numbers to eachother. What didnt you think made sense?
DannyDanger
Member
Nice work, puts things into perspective
You always make these? My first time seeing it
The most important one might be - no plans for a successor yet.
Bruno MB
Member
Ōkami;204670362 said:
I normally like to have 5 or 6 games to predict but it is getting harder.
It doesn't look like that anything on that list will even get close to 50.000 during the month (Mirror's Edge Catalyst maybe?) so I don't think I will include anyone.
I was thinking about Minecraft: Wii U but it will only be the first week, same for Zero Escape: Toki no Dilemma but it is a very niche game and even if it over-performs Zero Escape: Virtue's Last Reward won't do more than 25.000.
test_account
XP-39C²
True, but i dont think that can be used as an objective metric if something did good or bad because we have seen systems that have sold poorly, yet gotten a successor. That doesnt mean that the previous systems did well. Making a successor could also mean a chance to come up with new ideas and learn from the mistakes made with the previous product.
If something is good or bad is often relative to what its being comparing to. Nothing wrong with saying that something did better than some predictions, but that doesnt necessarily ignore all the other factors of course. The product as a whole can still be a failure for the company who made it.
Doesn´t make much of sense, you can try again after failing or call it quits - can´t be more clear about the actual situation than not even bothering with a follow up product.
test_account
XP-39C²
Exactly, as i also mentioned, its possible to try again. I was just talking about using successor as an objective metric if a system being successful or not. If the Vita gets a successor, it (the Vita) would still be the commercial failure as it is, getting a successor wont change that. The WiiU gets a successor next year, but the WiiU was still a failure despite getting a successor.
That said, i dont think anyone here says that Vita is a successful system as a whole. Its pretty clear that Sony dont feel that way at least. Sony not making a follow up system is indeed one good indication of that. But what Windforce said earlier doesnt mean that he is in denial like you mentioned. It depends on what he was concidering with what he said, and its correct to say that the Vita did better than some earlier predictions here. That doesnt mean that the Vita is a big success or anything like that in general though.
I hope you realize you are trying to reason with Darius which is impossible.
>85% decline worldwide and a 75% decline in Japan but its situation is "pretty good" according to a minority even among fans. There isn´t much to discuss about its actual situation, despite ridiculous ad hominem attacks for no reason, whenever you feel the need to get defensive.
@test-account
What´s the point? Or is it really that hard just to acknowledge that it isn´t doing "pretty good". Because you have to ignore quite a lot of things to come to this conclusion.
If you can see the context it is not that hard to understand. He doesn't mean it is a "pretty good" result as in a global scale but more like based on the predictions most people had about it within this forum. Can't see what's there to disagree here.
I agree with you that it´s pretty much a waste of time to talk about the obvious. But don´t put words in my mouth. It didn´t sell more than what I expected initially.
Like I said. I disagree. with this kind of "context", that simply ignores alot of relevant factors just for the purpose to fit a certain narrative, this way you could spin every major flop into success. It´s a very cherry picking kind of thing to do and basically just damage control.
That's very cherry picking of you to only notice the words "pretty good" and ignore the Sega Saturn part where he did say it was a total bomb and only Japan kept it alive.
But can the topic move on please ?
Many early predictions for Vita before, after launch and even later were also talking for Vita pulling a PSP because of Sony's history. Let alone Monster Hunter that was coming to it every year and would revive the system.
Success and failure isn't determined from random predictions.
You mix YTD with LTD.
Here are your words.
So you expected it to stay in the 20k-40k range. Vita's YTD for 2014 was 3,523,927. Better than you expected. We know you have this whole agenda thing, as evidenced by your vast post history, but you don't need to be such an ass about it.
Whoops, I did, and I kind of thought he did too. A 3 million ytd was beyond most consoles back then, other than the 3DS.
Prototype Viktor
Member
Hitting xbone numbers in sales the second week
Now you really are mixing everything together. I´m talking about lifetime sales now.
If you had followed the discussion back then, you would realize that I was referring to 2014 sales alone (notice: ytd Jan14-Dec14 only). Since there actually were these exaggerated expectations that PSV might sell more than 3DS that year back then again even in early 2014 from a few users.
Just take a closer look and you´ll see that I wrote (ytd). From the same thread you quoted to make clear the difference and to what ytd actually means.
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|System | This Week | Last Week | Last Year | YTD | Last YTD | LTD |
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| PSV # | 22.246 | 23.290 | 9.596 | 179.915 | 72.777 | 2.535.272 |
test_account
XP-39C²
Just saying that no one is saying that the Vita is doing very well in general. The guy just said that it did better all things concidered, which i'm sure he is referring to some of the earlier predictions. I dont think its necessary to say that what he said is a "new level of denial" because i dont think he is denying the overall poor sales.
Pretty much this.
Yes (although i'm not sure if anyone expected PSP numbers later on (depends on how much later you mean) when we saw how the Vita was selling), but i think the guy was referring to the predictions about lower numbers. That doesnt say that the Vita is successful or not, its only in comparision to those predictions. No one heres says that this is a metric for a system is successful or not. I think everyone agrees that Sony isnt happy with the Vita perfomance.
First, you have to check the context. Are these Sony products?
Kresnik258
Member
Rofl, how on earth has this thread devolved into this?
Capcom expectations are not exactly in line with reality.
I suppose they aim somewhere at 500k - 1m for FY.
LiveFromKyoto
Member
It really is the modern day Saturn. It gets that same kind of awesome b-tier Japanese game.
But it'll last longer than the Saturn did, Sony doesn't have a Dreamcast waiting in the wings to put it out to pasture, and cross-developing for both it and PS4 seems to be pretty manageable for most developers. It'll likely outsell the Wii U by the time it's all said & done.
when all you hear for the first two years of the system release is that the system is dead on arrival, doing terrible, will be discontinued soon then every little milestone is going to look like a small success for some people. obviously that doesn't change the fact that the system as a whole is a failure.