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But you'll accept the CMA made up possible future scenario? Got it.
Microsoft could do that and even if they did (most likely they won't) it wouldn't affect other consoles and this was said by the holy CMA itself.
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Microsoft could do that and even if they did (most likely they won't) it wouldn't affect other consoles and this was said by the holy CMA itself.
Topher
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CMA has data backing them up. You don't.
I didn't say anything about consoles. I said it would suck for gamers in general. And it would. But Microsoft benefits so you're happy.
Heisenberg007
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Well, they're
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Made up data*.
Topher
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LordCBH
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Ok Florian.
MasterCornholio
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feynoob
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Edgy and smart guy.
I think MS needs to hire you, since you can dismantle CMA arguments, unlike their experienced lawyers.
PharaoTutAnchAmun
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Yes MS taught is was a done deal that those 4 regulators would past the deal...easy peasy. But that mindset has bite them in the ass, now they are in panicmode....
Bridges
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Listen guys, I'm gonna be real with all of you.
I don't give a damn about cloud gaming or any of that nonsense. Large companies merging and getting acquired usually is an eyebrow raiser for me BUT
this deal passing is the only way I get a new Guitar Hero.
I'd let Microsoft overthrow the United States government and instill a dictatorship if it meant we went back to yearly GH releases.
This is who I am
I don't give a damn about cloud gaming or any of that nonsense. Large companies merging and getting acquired usually is an eyebrow raiser for me BUT
this deal passing is the only way I get a new Guitar Hero.
I'd let Microsoft overthrow the United States government and instill a dictatorship if it meant we went back to yearly GH releases.
This is who I am
feynoob
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I can respect that.
I will do the same, if it means I get to play new splinter cell and play TES6 right now.
Calverz
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How would it stuck? It would be great to get everything on gamepass and pc. And also under new management, some older ip might get rejuvenated.
feynoob
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The problem isn't that. Everyone will love to have Activision games on both services and new management.
The issue is MS. They treated this deal as a playground, made the revenue from cloud locked to Xbox. They made 10 year plan, instead of actually addressing the real concern.
CMA genuinely wanted to negotiate with MS, but MS shat on them and gave them garbage deals.
The EU who approved this deal, had to make the cloud license free.
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MasterCornholio
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I think if the CMA wasn't in the agreement it still would be a problem. However they have more options in that case.
Things would have ended differently if they didn't disrespect the CMA so much. They really should have paid attention to their concerns instead of doing the minimum and thinking the CMA was fine with it.
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Calverz
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Ok so does the average gamer care about any of that?
feynoob
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Yes. MS will do whatever they want, once they are in top position.
Just look at Nintendo and Sony. Only reason people aren't pulling the forks and torchs on them, is because of the games they make.
Calverz
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Yea but that’s a hypothetical situation. Just because MS would own them, doesn’t mean they all of a sudden start to make redfall like games. Whereas the fact is, everything would go onto gamepass including stuff like cod and Diablo 4. I’m not sure how this is bad for gamers. Sounds good to me.
feynoob
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It's not. MS literally got sued by the US, for pulling that shit on browser.
They will use whatever opportunity they have to increase their influence and power.
Never trust a trillion dollar company. They never got that big for being nice to consumers.
Calverz
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Again. Hypothetical arguments. Fact is, evrything currently goes onto gamepass. This is a win for gamers. It can’t be argued. Yea ok it might all go to shit eventually but that ain’t gonna happen overnight.
Look to me, it seems like there a bunch of guys on this forum who are ultimately upset that Microsoft are essentially buying themselves to possible victory. Like it’s not deserved or fair. And it isn’t. But unfortunately we live in a capitalist society. It’s not fair lol
dibella360
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Question for you all. A hypothetical scenario here (I don't think this will happen)... but let's say Microsoft and ABK alter the deal so they can close without the CMA approval. How big would the fine be for MS?
In one way... as long as the fines are less than the 3 billion breakup fees... wouldn't that be considered a win?
As it stands, Microsoft is paying 3 billion regardless and is getting nothing .... but if the CMA fees are less than this; it provides them with all the IP/studios, time to fight it in court, and the option to remove themself from the UK if needed. Hell, even if they are forced to divest afterward (like Facebook/Giphy) ... they could potentially break even after the sale.
In one way... as long as the fines are less than the 3 billion breakup fees... wouldn't that be considered a win?
As it stands, Microsoft is paying 3 billion regardless and is getting nothing .... but if the CMA fees are less than this; it provides them with all the IP/studios, time to fight it in court, and the option to remove themself from the UK if needed. Hell, even if they are forced to divest afterward (like Facebook/Giphy) ... they could potentially break even after the sale.
Banjo64
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You’d probably build some credit if you reworded that to;
a win for people who are happy to be within Microsoft’s ecosystem permanently
I think that speaks more to the Microsoft fanboys to tell you the truth who think that’s what’s happening.
Microsoft won’t win in the console space no matter who they buy because you can’t buy soul.
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Calverz
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Dude you are literally an example of what I’m talking about. If you don’t want to be in a Microsoft ecosystem then don’t. All I care about is getting games free*. I couldn’t care less about the ecosystem. When I’m playing totk, demons souls, halo I’m not caring about ecosystems.
LordCBH
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Just you wait until they double the cost of Gamepass. A lot of people play 1. Maybe 2 games a year. Now imagine paying $20 a month for Gamepass when you may only truly want 1-2 games a year.
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Banjo64
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Good for you, I’m just explaining to you that what you want =/= good for gamers.
MasterCornholio
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Well the fees isn't the only thing they will have to pay. Like if they pull out of the UK or show they won't respect regulators that can have other costs besides the fees. And it wouldn't be short term either the impact would be a lot longer than that.
The best way to do this is to fight through the appeal process.
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Calverz
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The games are purchasable individually though?
feynoob
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It's a win for you, but not for gamers.
Gamepass users aren't the only the only gamers out there. And if you want to play cloud gaming after 10 years, you are stuck with MS only as your biggest supplier.
Banjo64
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So if you want to buy the games instead of renting them, can you explain how that would be a win for gamers?
You lose the option of buying CoD on PlayStation (in 10 years time) and games like Tony Hawks, Crash and Spyro are no longer available to buy on Nintendo platforms. You now have to buy the games wherever Microsoft dictate.
Calverz
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I’m not interested in cloud gaming and even if I was, why would them being the biggest supplier pose a problem? Someone has to be the biggest supplier and it’s likely that could be nvidia the way things are headed. The games aren’t locked to gamepass.
Calverz
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Exclusivity yes. Exclusivity sucks but ultimately, it’s mitigated by having the games release on gamepass day one. And MS hve stated they want gmepass on as many devices so currently you have a choice of Xbox, pc, cloud. It would be good if it was possible on Nintendo and Sony platforms but I understand and agree with why they don’t want it. But ultimately that’s their fault.
I would love to be able to play ps5 releases day one on pc with a subscription.
feynoob
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Because they have everything at their disposal to rule that area.
Gamepass: ✓
Azure: ✓
Xcloud:✓
Data centers around the world: ✓
Eating the cost of maintaining xcloud:✓
And now with Activision, most people will sub to their system, as the value is simply too strong.
MS has the cash to make GTA6 exclusive to Xcloud and can do that as they have no competition.
Calverz
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Exactly my point!
Dude they are not gonna buy gta6 and make it exclusive to the cloud. Take the tinfoil hat off.
Banjo64
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That doesn’t explain why this deal would be good for someone who currently purchases their games.
You can currently purchase ABK games on Xbox, PlayStation, Nintendo and PC. And the CMA have access to documents which support the fact that ABK have proactively engaged in dialogue with Cloud providers.
So how is reducing that to just Xbox, PC and Cloud good for anyone?
Well, that’s not PlayStation’s model, and unlike Microsoft and Xbox, Sony actually need a hugely profitable PlayStation business for the good of the overall company.
feynoob
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You are talking to a company that spent 67b on activision. They have the capability to do that.
Calverz
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Exclusivity I’m not a fan of. I hate it as a practice in this industry. But look at the biggest abusers currently of exclusivity deals….how does that situation benefit Xbox/pc players? It doesn’t. You easily turn that argument around. At the very least, this deal would ensure the gmes are available to rent on Xbox and pc. Who knows, maybe other platforms in the future.
Calverz
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I’m sure they do have the capability. Doesn’t mean they are going to do it though.
Banjo64
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I think what you’re saying is that it wouldn’t be good for the consumer, without actually saying it.
reinking
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I think he is more of a Florian disciple. Doesn't seem to possess the "inside knowledge" that Florian claims to have but a passsenger on the same crazy train.
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gothmog
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Doesn't mean they're going to do it right now is what you mean. If they panic or have a shift in leadership they will absolutely revisit that decision.
Pelta88
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The influence corporations have over us State, House, and Senate bodies is astounding to us non US members. They flaunt it so blatantly that they might as well wear the corps sponsorship on their clothing to remove any notion of ambiguity.
MasterCornholio
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I think he is more of a Florian disciple. Doesn't seem to possess the "inside knowledge" that Florian claims to have but a passsenger on the same crazy train.
This whole deal is a crazy train. No idea if it's going to derail or crash into another train. Heck if someone flips the rail switch it might reach its destination.
With the way its going I can see why it brings out the worst in people. I really hope this ends soon no matter what the outcome is.
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feynoob
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That is what happens when you legalize bribe as in form of lobbying.
Ronin_7
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They can negotiable with ABK a lower fee with some minor stock investment or some shit but I think Kotick will say 'Fuck off'.
Deal is beyond dead without an extension.
like Banjo Kazooie & Conker amirite ?
Calverz
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Absolutely yes. We got nuts n bolts. We got remasters of banjo 1 and 2. We even got banjo re release on switch. Under current activision we ain’t getting anymore tony hawks or guitar hero!
Astray
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We literally got a new Tony Hawk and a new Crash a few years ago wtf are you talking about?
X-Wing
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Quite childish to think that antitrust cases get decided based on what "gamers want".
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