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Microsoft / Activision Deal Approval Watch |OT| (MS/ABK close)

Do you believe the deal will be approved?


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POKEYCLYDE

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What is the LTV based on then? It's not based on making COD exclusive. It's based on current spending habits of the current userbase.

Which is based on actual purchase data of current users on X/S. It says this in the CMA documents:



That's what I'm saying. The point is that MS doesn't need to miss out on it if it increases price of the sub and changes the currently low LTV for everyone significantly.
I agree with all this. To estimate a switcher's LTV you would base it on current Xbox user's LTV.

But you would not weigh the entire Xbox userbase's LTV against a decision's costs that only gave you a fraction of your userbase.

No you're not because decision B's benefit is not static and gives you market power. You would only just cancel it for that year but you've moved people to that ecosystem and made it attractive for new user growth. Something you don't measure with only full market coverage analysis either. Any subsequent hike would result in even greater gain with your 'cheap' in comparison subscription. There is no upstream dilution of COD. Those users could pay their lost cost multiple times over if, like Netflix, over the course of 5-6yrs the price goes from $9 a month to $14. The benefit is that you've locked them in to the ecosystem/sub and you can now turn the LTV up. $1.45 is only the break even point, you can end up making those who have switched spend more yearly through gamepass than they were before.
Your $1.45 break even point relies on using the LTV of every single Gamepass user, not just the new users gained from CoD being exclusive.

If you're saying that you believe the % of CoD switchers would increase year over year, then yes, eventually the benefit of making CoD exclusive would outweigh it's costs.

However, the research the CMA has done gives us a static percentage range on how many CoD gamers would come to Xbox in the event it's made exclusive.

I don't know why we're going back and forth on this, the CMA has made it clear that their calculations include any incremental growth of Gamepass and they've still under all scenarios reached the conclusion that Microsoft would lose billions if they made CoF exclusive.

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Snake29

RSI Employee of the Year
Business practices in Japan. Kind of ironic.

uhm...they are not. These american congress karens can't do any shit. They are MS paid shills...

Is this the new "we just blame Sony for ALL of our failures in the recent decades"? Is it so hard for their fanboys and MS itself to look in the mirror and think "We have fucked it up ourselves for all these years".

Blaming your own failures and crying how your competitor is just better, consistent and more stable makes you look insecure as a company. You can't force people to like your product more.

It doesn't work that way. This new narrative that "Sony blocked us in Japan" is just fucking hilarious. It's that insecure rich kid that has no real friends, buys everything with daddy's money, but is crying when others don't like them.
 
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uhm...they are not. These american congress karens can't do any shit. They are MS paid shills...

Is this the new "we just blame Sony for ALL of our failures in the recent decades"? Is it so hard for their fanboys and MS itself to look in the mirror and think "We have fucked it up ourselves for all these years".

Blaming your own failures and crying how your competitor is just better, consistent and more stable makes you look insecure as a company. You can't force people to like your product more.

It doesn't work that way. This new narrative that "Sony blocked us in Japan" is just fucking hilarious. It's that insecure rich kid that has no real friends, buys everything with daddy's money, but is crying when others don't like them.
Man, some of you are salty about this deal.
 

Snake29

RSI Employee of the Year
good thing I had no part in either of those.

Although, many of the worlds best mathematicians and physicists are from the UK, so you may be wrong about that.

Offtopic:

Only American universities are scoring high in the ranks with a lot of others in the world. But everything below is just bad or mediocre at best compared to EU.
 

Three

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Your $1.45 break even point relies on using the LTV of every single Gamepass user, not just the new users gained from CoD being exclusive.
it would be the only logical thing in that analysis of a price hike using a land-and-expand strategy that's gamepass. Charging only CoD users who switch from playstation more for GP would be illogical and not based on the real market. You can't do that.

The point is that the subscription service gets increased market power from foreclosure that could be used for price increase inelasticity because subscription price sensitivity is decreased by doing it and gaining more customers in its growth phase before increasing their revenue over the years both from mtx (what did MS say 5 years ago in interviews, gp users spend 20% more or something like that) and gp price hikes.

the CMA has made it clear that their calculations include any incremental growth of Gamepass and they've still under all scenarios reached the conclusion that Microsoft would lose billions if they made CoF exclusive.
MS submitted that the xbox LTV over a 5yr period would include GP growth/churn and submitted a 2yr lower XSX/S LTV where MS have gone into a sub/console growth phase. The CMA acknowledged it but made no comment on how it affects their longterm strategy, they just used MS revised figures.

I just think they haven't taken into account a longterm possibility to use a land and expand strategy like this with price increases and CoD mtx growth via gamepass and their console.
 
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Only American universities are scoring high in the ranks with a lot of others in the world. But everything below is just bad or mediocre at best compared to EU.
Yeah, secondary education is optional, most students want to be there.

My friend who is a teacher in NY described their k-12 system as a race where teachers just ignore anyone who has been lapped.
 
Both sides are getting nasty in this.
Sony started the attacks and snide comments. Spencer was downright gracious for years now, praising and promoting sony games, reaching out to other companies.

Theres a reason the only bad relationship they have is Sony, and thats mostly on Sony.

Some people here pretend thT MS buying ABK was some kind of attack and not just business.
 
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